Is Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday.

Cooper said:

The conclusion is correct when it says, "We are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday."

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You are correct, we are to worship every day yet in saying that the point is missed. It is in fact fudged.
The Commandment we are dealing with instructs us to rest from our work and keep it Holy (set apart). Its specificity cannot be clearer when it says the 7th day of the week.

Jennifer Augustine said:

He was in his grave taking on a punishment being punished by God his father for an act he committed but God will heal him upon himself the same way like he took the prodigal son back and put a robe on his back and ring on his finger or like how God punished Jonah inside a fish for 3 days as God let the fish spit him out and let Jonah go after he repented. Because the Lord God is just like that. You can read about what the holy one Jesus did here in this passage... Isaiah 57 and read the rest of the Bible of what God will do to us also if we sin against him and disobey him the same ...

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Not true. Jesus took upon Himself the wrath of the Father in the three hours He hung on the cross. At 3pm He cried out, "It is finished, the debt is paid", and He said, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit". He told the thief, "Today, you shall be with me in Paradise."

This mean that his body was in the tomb, but His spirit was with the Father in Paradise along with the penitent criminal.

There is a teaching going around that Jesus went to hell and was tormented by the devil. This is a heresy. When Jesus said "It is finished", it was all over, He had paid the debt for us, and He was able to give up His life, and His spirit went to the Father, and not to hell.

When Peter said that He went to preach the gospel to those in prison, it is either to declare to show the unsaved in Hades what the gospel was about and how because of their unbelief they were condemned; or He went to Paradise to assure the believers there that their faith was linked to the gospel and that He had taken upon Himself the penalty for their sin and that they can expect to be resurrected to eternal life at the last day.

That Jesus went to hell and was tormented by the devil is a popular heresy taught by the "name it and claim it" heretical prosperity preachers who are extorting money from vulnerable people to increase their own wealth.

If Jesus was to go through more punishment from God after He died, He would not have said, "It is finished" just before He died. If Jesus said, "It is finished; the debt is paid" that's it. He doesn't have to endure any more punishment, because in the three hours He hung on the cross, He endured the whole, eternal wrath of God for every person who believes in Him, past, present, and future. ie: all those through God's foreknowledge who are written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world. God knows every single person from Adam onwards who is going to believe in the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to the last day, and Jesus took upon Himself, as He hung on the cross, the eternal wrath of God for everyone one of them. The proof that Jesus is eternal is that it took Him just three hours to receive the full eternal wrath for countless millions of people who put their trust in God for their salvation.

101G said:

GINOLJC, TO ALL,
first thanks for the reply, second, I have read the scriptures, but apparently you haven't. but to help you out there was two sabbaths in the week that our Lord was crucified, but was not back to back the same and next day. how do we know this, for the bible tells us so. listen and learn, Matthew 28:1 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre". one more to have the second witness, Mark 16:1 "And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him".

Now here's the revelation Paul, the Hebrew word for the term "sabbath" here is in the plural, it's
G4521 σάββατον sabbaton (saɓ'-ɓa-ton) n.
1. the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath).
2. a day of weekly repose from secular avocations.
3. the observance or institution itself.
4. (by extension) a week, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths.
5. likewise the plural in all the above applications.
[of Hebrew origin (H7676)]
KJV: sabbath (day), week

my source here is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments. also you can find the same meaning in the Vocabulary of the Greek Testament dictionary, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, just to name a few who have it correctly defined.
the same word is used in Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1, and Luke 23:56.

now Paul you will have to do some reconciling, especially those who celebrate that our Lord was crucified on what they call Good friday. and those who believe that he was crucified on a thursday too... say what! yes for those to believe that he was crucified on a thursday too.

so we suggest you check out the definition and the scriptures again.

PICJAG.

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You are ignoring that it was Passover week before the Sabbath. Thursday was the preparation for the Passover, not the Sabbath; Friday was the Passover day, and Saturday was the Sabbath. It wasn't an ordinary Sabbath week. This is shown by the multitudes who arrived in Jerusalem from the regions around Judea for the Passover, and many of whom stayed on for the Feast of Tabernacles (Pentecost). Jews from the outer regions don't pilgrimage to Jerusalem for an ordinary Sabbath.

The death of Jesus on the cross was deliberately planned by God to coincide with the Passover. Even the precise time that Jesus died was planned to be at the very same time the Passover lambs were killed - 3pm on Preparation Day before Passover day - Thursday.

On Wednesday night, Jesus said "My hour is come", which meant that He could allow Himself to be arrested, when in spite of many opportunities, no one could arrest him. They tried, but couldn't because those who were sent to arrest Him were overwhelmed by His words of authority when He taught the people.

It is clear that He allowed Himself to be arrested when the crowd came to arrest Him He said "I am" and they all fell backwards. He had the absolute power at that point, and he allowed Himself to be arrested.

So everything was planned right down to the last detail to show that He is the Passover Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

Paul Christensen said:

This mean that his body was in the tomb, but His spirit was with the Father in Paradise along with the penitent criminal.

There is a teaching going around that Jesus went to hell and was tormented by the devil. This is a heresy. When Jesus said "It is finished", it was all over, He had paid the debt for us, and He was able to give up His life, and His spirit went to the Father, and not to hell.

When Peter said that He went to preach the gospel to those in prison, it is either to declare to show the unsaved in Hades what the gospel was about and how because of their unbelief they were condemned; or He went to Paradise to assure the believers there that their faith was linked to the gospel and that He had taken upon Himself the penalty for their sin and that they can expect to be resurrected to eternal life at the last day.

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well Paul I see you're understanding a little bit. assuredly his body, (the son of God), didn't go to Paradise, (smile), nor did the thief. but assuredly the son of man (the diversified "spirit", went to the spirit in prison and preached unto them there, scripture, 1 Peter 3:19 "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison". why? lets see, 1 Peter 4:6 "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit". hold it 101, is not God the God of the LIVING "ONLY", and he is speaking of alive sinners here?. well lets see, Romans 14:9 "For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living". why Lord, back to 1 Peter 4:5 "Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead".

now touching on another topic subject, concering the LAW,scripture,
Romans 2:6 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds", (EVERY MAN? yes, dead, or the living, or as Peter said, the Quick, and the DEAD)
Romans 2:7 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Romans 2:8 "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Romans 2:9 "Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Romans 2:10 "But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Romans 2:11 "For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: (BINGO).
Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel".


well that killed two birds with one stoneper to say... (smile).

PICJAG.

Paul Christensen said:

You are ignoring that it was Passover week before the Sabbath. Thursday was the preparation for the Passover, not the Sabbath; Friday was the Passover day, and Saturday was the Sabbath. It wasn't an ordinary Sabbath week. This is shown by the multitudes who arrived in Jerusalem from the regions around Judea for the Passover, and many of whom stayed on for the Feast of Tabernacles (Pentecost). Jews from the outer regions don't pilgrimage to Jerusalem for an ordinary Sabbath.

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this is a classic example of "delusion", how? by not reading the scriptures with the Holy Spirit....

Paul, no cigar, so try again.

PICJAG.

101G said:

well Paul I see you're understanding a little bit. assuredly his body, (the son of God), didn't go to Paradise, (smile), nor did the thief. but assuredly the son of man (the diversified "spirit", went to the spirit in prison and preached unto them there, scripture, 1 Peter 3:19 "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison". why? lets see, 1 Peter 4:6 "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit". hold it 101, is not God the God of the LIVING "ONLY", and he is speaking of alive sinners here?. well lets see, Romans 14:9 "For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living". why Lord, back to 1 Peter 4:5 "Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead".

now touching on another topic subject, concering the LAW,scripture,
Romans 2:6 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds", (EVERY MAN? yes, dead, or the living, or as Peter said, the Quick, and the DEAD)
Romans 2:7 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Romans 2:8 "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Romans 2:9 "Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Romans 2:10 "But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Romans 2:11 "For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: (BINGO).
Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel".


well that killed two birds with one stoneper to say... (smile).

PICJAG.

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So Jesus lied to the criminal when He said, "Today, you shall be with Me in Paradise"?

Paul Christensen said:

So Jesus lied to the criminal when He said, "Today, you shall be with Me in Paradise"?

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NOPE...

PICJAG.

101G said:

this is a classic example of "delusion", how? by not reading the scriptures with the Holy Spirit....

Paul, no cigar, so try again.

PICJAG.

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What, so you are listening to a voice in your head instead of reading what is actually there in the literal text and according to the Jewish Passover week according to First Century conditions in Jerusalem?

So the Holy Spirit was lying when He said through John that the last supper was just before the Passover, showing that when Jesus was crucified it was in Passover week? If it wasn't the Holy Spirit who told you that it was just an ordinary Sabbath week, I wonder what spirit is talking to you and interpreting the Bible for you?

Paul Christensen said:

What, so you are listening to a voice in your head instead of reading what is actually there in the literal text and according to the Jewish Passover week according to First Century conditions in Jerusalem?

So the Holy Spirit was lying when He said through John that the last supper was just before the Passover, showing that when Jesus was crucified it was in Passover week? If it wasn't the Holy Spirit who told you that it was just an ordinary Sabbath week, I wonder what spirit is talking to you and interpreting the Bible for you?

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the Holy Spirit never lie, but you???????

now, why don't you go back and read what really transpired, then come back.

PICJAG.

quietthinker said:

because Jesus rose from the dead on the 1st day of the week but the scripture gives no instruction for that.

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<Jesus rose on the 1st day> not being Scripture, the fact and principle <<because Jesus rose from the dead>> stands as the most BASIC AND FUNDAMENTAL OF TRUTH of the WHOLE Christian Faith.

THEREFORE — for the fact and principle BECAUSE <Jesus rose from the dead> "IN SABBATH'S FULLNESS", it is the Written Word of God giving every reason and instruction necessary for believers to "remember the Seventh Day is Sabbath of the LORD your (the Christian's) God".

Thus the fact and principle that <Jesus rose from the dead> "on the Sabbath", ensure that Scripture throughout, <<gives no instruction .. that Jesus rose from the dead .. on the 1st day of the week>> -- absolutely, NOT!

Paul Christensen said:

So Jesus lied to the criminal when He said, "Today, you shall be with Me in Paradise"?

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Paul, you might want to revisit what Jesus said here noting that punctuation marks where not in the original manuscripts.

Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, today thou shalt be with me in paradise.

The translators here have put the comma after 'thee' but if you put the comma after 'today' it changes the situation
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise.

In other words, today I am telling you, you will be saved.
This is consistent with the scripture as Jesus didn't go to Paradise that day....he was in the tomb from whence he was called by his Father early on the Ist day of the week.

If Paradise is the earth recreated as described in Revelation 21 and 22 then Jesus didn't go there either as the new earth is not put in place till after the destruction of the old earth.

Jesus went to heaven I would say sometime later on the 1st day of the week.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

<Jesus rose on the 1st day> not being Scripture, the fact and principle <<because Jesus rose from the dead>> stands as the most BASIC AND FUNDAMENTAL OF TRUTH of the WHOLE Christian Faith.

THEREFORE — for the fact and principle BECAUSE <Jesus rose from the dead> "IN SABBATH'S FULLNESS", it is the Written Word of God giving every reason and instruction necessary for believers to "remember the Seventh Day is Sabbath of the LORD your (the Christian's) God".

Thus the fact and principle that <Jesus rose from the dead> "on the Sabbath", ensure that Scripture throughout, <<gives no instruction .. that Jesus rose from the dead .. on the 1st day of the week>> -- absolutely, NOT!

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Besides missing the point of the post Gerhard you mention 'the principle' three times. What is the principle?

quietthinker said:

Hope you don't mind if I jump in here to answer your request.

John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The Gospel of John says of the day beginning following Christ's death, "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31–42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies.

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Can this be true, that you wrote this for what you believe and I read this for what I believe YET WE ARE AT LOGGERHEADS?! God be merciful we just cannot, because here's the difference, You say, <<That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread)>>. But Scripture says, "That night" was Nisan 15, BEGINNING the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread), "solemnly TO BE OBSERVED", Exodus 12:42.

“THIS, IS THAT night”— Exodus 12:42 is the only place in all of Scripture this clause is found because of the once-off historical event of Israel’s exodus from Egypt.

“This” night in 12: (39-)42 is the second mention of a night, the same night mentioned in 12:8.

The lamb had to be sacrificed “on the fourteenth day of the First Month” Exodus 12:6; and “the fourteenth day” REMAINS THE ONLY DATE in Exodus until the end of Israel’s exodus and the end of the “three days thick darkness” it took the exodus to complete.

In 12:8 unleavened bread had to be eaten “with the flesh”, which made it the night after the lamb was sacrificed “on the fourteenth day” 12:6. Still “the fourteenth day” REMAINS THE ONLY DATE in Exodus until the end of Israel’s exodus and the end of the “three days thick darkness” it took the exodus to complete.

“THIS IS THAT NIGHT” in 12: (39-)42 which therefore began the INSTITUTIONALISED “solemn observance” of the eating of unleavened bread with the flesh, “on the FIFTEENTH day of the First Month”.


While in Egypt you do as the Egyptians do and date your days of the month sunrise to sunrise. After you have left Egypt, you do as the LORD GOD commands you to do, and you date your days of the month, sunset to sunset.

quietthinker said:

Paul, you might want to revisit what Jesus said here noting that punctuation marks where not in the original manuscripts.

Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, today thou shalt be with me in paradise.

The translators here have put the comma after 'thee' but if you put the comma after 'today' it changes the situation
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise.

In other words, today I am telling you, you will be saved.
This is consistent with the scripture as Jesus didn't go to Paradise that day....he was in the tomb from whence he was called by his Father early on the Ist day of the week.

If Paradise is the earth recreated as described in Revelation 21 and 22 then Jesus didn't go there either as the new earth is not put in place till after the destruction of the old earth.

Jesus went to heaven I would say sometime later on the 1st day of the week.

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If there was no punctuation, it could be read both ways, whichever suits your personal theology. If you don't believe that Jesus and the criminal went to Paradise the day that they died, then you will but the comma after the today. If you believe that they did, you will put the comma after "thee".

I probably put the comma in the wrong place contrary to my personal belief that Jesus and the criminal went to Paradise that very day they died.

Of course, those who don't believe that Jesus was telling the truth when He said, "It is finished" and that for some unknown and unBiblical reason He had to undergo some sort of torture from the devil after taking on Himself the whole wrath of God in the three hours He hung on the cross, then one would put the comma after "today", making it appear that they would be together in Paradise at some future time after Jesus went through His extra torture by the devil in hell.

It is interesting that the difference between truth and heresy/blasphemy consists in the placement of a comma!

mjrhealth said:

He becomes a seventh day adventist,

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No. If one is already a Bible believing Christian, he is already a seventh day Adventist. He joins that church to fellowship with like minded individuals who aren't going to falsely accuse him of nonsense.
Do you realise Jesus was a seventh day Adventist? And the church He started was filled with seventh day Adventists?

quietthinker said:

Besides missing the point of the post Gerhard you mention 'the principle' three times. What is the principle?

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What point have I missed?

And the principle is, the fact and principle BECAUSE <Jesus rose from the dead>

Brakelite2 said:

No. If one is already a Bible believing Christian, he is already a seventh day Adventist. He joins that church to fellowship with like minded individuals who aren't going to falsely accuse him of nonsense.
Do you realise Jesus was a seventh day Adventist? And the church He started was filled with seventh day Adventists?

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Ag Here, tog, hoeveel nog hiervan?!

quietthinker said:

You are correct, we are to worship every day yet in saying that the point is missed. It is in fact fudged.
The Commandment we are dealing with instructs us to rest from our work and keep it Holy (set apart). Its specificity cannot be clearer when it says the 7th day of the week.

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Correct. If you go back, I did say we needed to be careful with those sites, that one included.

In their defence let me suggest that when we worship God, we are doing both of the things you say we need to do. We are resting from our work and keeping it Holy.
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quietthinker said:

Some of her writings. What I have read is inspiring and insightful. If you haven't read her I could recommend the Conflict of the Ages series. Easy to find online. You will be surprised at how beautifully she presents Jesus in the book 'Desire of Ages'

Here's a copy of Desire of Ages

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Paul Christensen, Read this book and you will see what the sda shut their blinking eyes for, HOW BLASPHEMOUSLY UNSCRIPTURAL a den of robbers abused a weak woman to write their demonic diction for them!

Save the Sabbath 1

Brakelite2 said:

No. If one is already a Bible believing Christian, he is already a seventh day Adventist. He joins that church to fellowship with like minded individuals who aren't going to falsely accuse him of nonsense.
Do you realise Jesus was a seventh day Adventist? And the church He started was filled with seventh day Adventists?

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Jesus was a Jew, see what happens when people have idols in there hearts, even religion, twist the truth, you are not free you are in egypt a slave to pharoah.