are all christianity churches self righteous?

ThePuffyBlob · Mar 28, 2020

because if you ask other churches what they think about catholic church they would then said they wrong, their teachings are not biblical, they are not christians that's what the other church will say about the roman catholic but what if you ask the catholic about that other church they will say the same thing every one else is wrong we are the only church that can save you

every single church says the same thing that other churches are wrong while they are in the right and the true church

if this was the case for all religion then assuming there are indeed a true religion but that true religion is not perfect because the one leading it is the same as us for every one has fallen short from the grace of us every one is a sinner even that priest that is leading the true religion is a sinner

but if there are no perfect religion why is every religion condemns other religions? when they themselves is not perfect

i just don't get it are we destined to attack each other for our own religion? maybe it's much better that an individual does not join any church because a member of a church will bind it's member to it's own beliefs and that belief is we are the true religion and everyone else is fake, false religion

Dcopymope · Mar 28, 2020

Funny bird said:
because if you ask other churches what they think about catholic church they would then said they wrong, their teachings are not biblical, they are not christians that's what the other church will say about the roman catholic but what if you ask the catholic about that other church they will say the same thing every one else is wrong we are the only church that can save you

every single church says the same thing that other churches are wrong while they are in the right and the true church

if this was the case for all religion then assuming there are indeed a true religion but that true religion is not perfect because the one leading it is the same as us for every one has fallen short from the grace of us every one is a sinner even that priest that is leading the true religion is a sinner

but if there are no perfect religion why is every religion condemns other religions? when they themselves is not perfect

i just don't get it are we destined to attack each other for our own religion? maybe it's much better that an individual does not join any church because a member of a church will bind it's member to it's own beliefs and that belief is we are the true religion and everyone else is fake, false religion

A simple rule of thumb to judge whether or not a specific church doctrine is false is to simply reason through it by deductive reasoning, which is just another way to say "let the Bible speak for itself". If it is found that said doctrine is not following this rule, then the doctrine is to be brought to task. If the church refuses to see the folly in how they interpret scripture, then kick the dust off your feet and move on, as Jesus would say. By my experience, its better to be alone than to deal with another church with its head so far up its hind end that they can't to see the forest for the tree's. This paints an exact picture of this website by the way, with many of its members who have no business running their mouth about how to interpret scripture whatsoever.

Dave M · Mar 28, 2020

this is why it is so so so important to be in the word every day and know scripture to see what they are saying is true. There are some very important doctrines that all Christians should agree on, then their are some things that just are not clear.

very important one is that Jesus is God in the flesh, if they dont teach that run.

Me being a X catholic can relate to your post, and I honestly did not know much and trusted the priest for guidance, well I was headed straight ot hell things like confession and the priest has the power to forgive your sins is pure evil. Only Jesus can set you fee from your enslavement to sin.

ThePuffyBlob · Mar 29, 2020

uhm actually i am not only talking about the catholic but all the christianity religion just that i forgot to list them and their reasonings

and sorry for the "TYPOS"

DNB · Mar 29, 2020

Funny bird said:
because if you ask other churches what they think about catholic church they would then said they wrong, their teachings are not biblical, they are not christians that's what the other church will say about the roman catholic but what if you ask the catholic about that other church they will say the same thing every one else is wrong we are the only church that can save you

every single church says the same thing that other churches are wrong while they are in the right and the true church

if this was the case for all religion then assuming there are indeed a true religion but that true religion is not perfect because the one leading it is the same as us for every one has fallen short from the grace of us every one is a sinner even that priest that is leading the true religion is a sinner

but if there are no perfect religion why is every religion condemns other religions? when they themselves is not perfect

i just don't get it are we destined to attack each other for our own religion? maybe it's much better that an individual does not join any church because a member of a church will bind it's member to it's own beliefs and that belief is we are the true religion and everyone else is fake, false religion

First of all, I would say that, if there is a God, and if it is true that Jesus was sent by God to die for our sins, then there can only be one and absolute truth. But, as we all know through life, with every original, whether intentional or not, there comes a thousand counterfeits and forgeries.
Thus, invariably, there will be controversy, contentions, heresies, factions and dissensions within Christendom.
Therefore, it is incumbent upon us to hold steadfast to the truth, remain vigilant against erroneous doctrine, be prepared to instruct accurately, and correct and rebuke accordingly.

How does one discern the truth? Get a sound introduction to the Bible, and then study regularly, advancing in more detailed learning continuously.
The key, is to do this from various sources. Once you have weighed all the varying opinions against Scripture, hopefully you'll gain a confidence into where the Truth lies, and can, as said earlier, articulate it soundly and wisely, and instruct and correct accordingly.

Yes, God has left us with this dilemma, that is, the rather subjective task of interpretation. In other words Funny Bird, in the end, every man must be accountable for his own understanding and articulation of God's Word. Thus, make sure that your exegesis brings him glory, not only with obvious praise and doxologies, but by evidencing the soundness and wisdom of His precepts, doctrines, righteousness and judgments.

Dave M · Mar 29, 2020

No church is perfect, and we have to learn to love on each-other especially when we are not all the same. It is our responsibility to equip yourself with the word of God, so we can know if a church is teaching false doctrine our is just a different opinion on some scripture then you have. If someone is not grounded in the word of God they will not be able to discern. I Go to church to worship God, I get some spiritual food from church, but I need to eat everyday, so the bulk of my spiritual food comes from studying the word of God. No one is ever going to agree with each other 100% on the bible in all areas.

here is a good video from a sound teacher, that can help new people in the faith

Justadude · Mar 29, 2020

Enoch111 · Mar 29, 2020

Funny bird said:
i just don't get it are we destined to attack each other for our own religion?

No one is destined to attack other churches. Christians should be focused on propagating the Gospel. But when any Bible church teaches Gospel truth, it must also identify false gospels and false doctrines, so that people can separate the chaff from the wheat.

Kindly study Christ's letters to the seven churches in Asia Minor in the book of Revelation. Jesus identifies false doctrines and false practices while He commends those Christians who are faithful.

ThePuffyBlob · Mar 29, 2020

DNB said:
How does one discern the truth? Get a sound introduction to the Bible, and then study regularly, advancing in more detailed learning continuously.
The key, is to do this from various sources. Once you have weighed all the varying opinions against Scripture, hopefully you'll gain a confidence into where the Truth lies,

but what if i found the true church but that church is not perfect it also claims that it is the only true church and almost everything it preaches can be found in the bible

but just like any other church i need to be a member to be saved so i then asked other church to be specific i ask a born church about it they said they teaches wrong things and the preacher is using badwords but the thing is what does the bible says about badwords i think the bros of christ when christ was still alive was worst when they use badwords born again also said that church is wrong because it always open for debate with other minister they said it is written that do not fight over the word of God not sure what verse was that

the thing i remember about "not to fight about the word of God" is when the debate is in vain

but what if there's two people that belongs to different church arguing about the word of God and you are an outsider you don't belong to any of them and you listen to them won't you be able to tell which was the legit and the fake? based on the bible? so it's not vain at all

but what about the born again church they also have their flaws according to the bible there was 2 Gods(at the same time there's only one based on what was written) and the father God is the highest the father God sent the christ God and christ God sent the holy spirit therefore the trinity theory is not valid just saying every church is not flawless

ThePuffyBlob · Mar 29, 2020

Dave M said:
we have to learn to love on each-other especially when we are not all the same

and how will you do that? when you opposed each other ideas how can you feel love? and when someone is blindly following a preacher while you follow the truth which is the bible you then feel love because this person will die the 2nd death because you know the truth you know this person is blind and then you told it the truth but it does not want your word because it is blind and you started to argue with each other and then it attacks you after this manner how will you even love this person if it steps on your ego too much you would think shameless i am already helping you but is this the payment... how will you even love that person lol

well do you love me? of course not you don't know me neither do i

guess the only thing to learn how to is to be with christ to follow christ even though i feel hypocritical right now by saying this

DNB · Mar 29, 2020

Funny bird said:
but what if i found the true church but that church is not perfect it also claims that it is the only true church and almost everything it preaches can be found in the bible

No Church has it perfectly, absolutely no one, ...having a perfect understanding of God's Word, is tantamount to being perfect. I find it hard to believe that a Church can make such a boast, and not have faulty doctrine somewhere? Either way, funny Bird, some things you may have to put up with, for again, no Church will ever be perfect, nor any member. Thus, find one that you can tolerate, and understand that ultimately, the Church that you are in does not save you, your personal faith will

Funny bird said:
but just like any other church i need to be a member to be saved

I don't believe that this is true, at all. I do not belong to any Church, prove to me that I'm not saved.

Funny bird said:
they said they teaches wrong things and the preacher is using badwords but the thing is what does the bible says about badwords i

Bad words are questionable. We all get heated, get doubtful, have differing opinions. Some bad words, that are showing a lack of faith in the King of Kings, is lethal. Otherwise, it depends on the circumstance.

Funny bird said:
but what if there's two people that belongs to different church arguing about the word of God and you are an outsider you don't belong to any of them and you listen to them won't you be able to tell which was the legit and the fake? based on the bible? so it's not vain at all

Debate can be healthy, even leaders can be corrected. Paul rebuked Peter in Galations 2:11-21. All of us on this forum are debating, arguing and correcting. In and of itself, this is expected, as everyone is growing.

Funny bird said:
but what about the born again church they also have their flaws according to the bible there was 2 Gods(at the same time there's only one based on what was written) and the father God is the highest the father God sent the christ God and christ God sent the holy spirit therefore the trinity theory is not valid just saying every church is not flawless

Yes, this is a very serious issue. I personally agree with you 200%. There is only one God, the Father, and there are no other gods or persons before him. I couldn't agree with you more. But, as you are aware, there are many who claim that God is three persons, of which each are God? Read your Bible Funny Bird, and don't let anyone tell you something that neither you, nor them, can understand. You cannot have faith in something that is incomprehensible. God knows exactly what is in your heart, and why you rejected something. Just always make sure that it is for the right reason, and you are doing it for His glory. I do not accept the trinity at all, and God knows why I don't.

ThePuffyBlob · Mar 29, 2020

Enoch111 said:
No one is destined to attack other churches. Christians should be focused on propagating the Gospel. But when any Bible church teaches Gospel truth, it must also identify false gospels and false doctrines, so that people can separate the chaff from the wheat.

while church 1 is preaching the bible church 2 is preaching myths

i thought you have to love your brothers and sisters i thought we are all siblings

won't church 1 attacks church 2 to dicern the truth and try to steal the members of church 2 because church 1 pity and church 1 cares for church 2 members and hate the false preachers who is leading them astray

they are going to die yet are you just letting them and not do anything? isn't this also why people will hate christians because they care for those blind people christians will be hated because of christ

well have you ever talk to the point of arguing with a catholic member and in the end that catholic will hate you for the word of God?

what does the bible says about respect other beliefs? did God really said to respect other beliefs? how will one respect if one knows it is the wrong?

i.e a catholic says let's just respect each others beliefs and it knows it is in the right while others are all wrong will that catholic really respect other beliefs? won't it opposed other beliefs because it was wrong in it's own eyes and tries to pull other people from other churches because it knows it was right *sigh*

ThePuffyBlob · Mar 29, 2020

DNB said:
No Church has it perfectly, absolutely no one, ...having a perfect understanding of God's Word, is tantamount to being perfect. I find it hard to believe that a Church can make such a boast, and not have faulty doctrine somewhere? Either way, funny Bird, some things you may have to put up with, for again, no Church will ever be perfect, nor any member. Thus, find one that you can tolerate, and understand that ultimately, the Church that you are in does not save you, your personal faith will

thank you very much i had this same idea as you but can't seem to pinpoint what was it now that you made it clear i knew this was it

DNB said:
I don't believe that this is true, at all. I do not belong to any Church, prove to me that I'm not saved.

i also believe it's not true but the preacher attach a verse to this i'll try to find it on youtube and share

DNB said:
Bad words are questionable. We all get heated, get doubtful, have differing opinions. Some bad words, that are showing a lack of faith in the King of Kings, is lethal. Otherwise, it depends on the circumstance.

the preacher claims if i say wait a minute i hope that staff won't mind this is just an example and a explanation

if i say "son of a bitch" to a someone i.e to you and your mother is indeed a bitch it is not bad because it was the truth but if it was a lie and i said it to you then this is a sin

i will also try to find the youtube clip to explain this more clearly

DNB said:
Debate can be healthy, even leaders can be corrected. Paul rebuked Peter in Galations 2:11-21. All of us on this forum are debating, arguing and correcting. In and of itself, this is expected, as everyone is growing.

but do you know the verse that includes the

"do not fight over the word of God"?
because the person who said this to me forgot the verse quick search it on google but found none

DNB said:
I do not accept the trinity at all,

neither do i because it was clear what was written

DNB said:
and you are doing it for His glory.

i don't think i am doing it for his glory probably i am just self boasting i need to fix this i probably just want to prove i am right

because they always belittle me i just want to prove that i am right all the time which is i should supress but good thing i haven't been showing this kind of stupid thinking it was just in my head
at the same time i also want to clear my mind of what is the truth

paul claimed that christ is God
but he probably has his own interpretation of
"my father is in me and the father in me"
and i also have my own interpretation to it crap maybe i should just say there's indeed 2 Gods because who am i? paul is the one who stays by christ God when he was alive he knows better than i am

DNB · Mar 29, 2020

Funny bird said:
the preacher claims if i say wait a minute i hope that staff won't mind this is just an example and a explanation

As a rule funny Bird, there are more heresies out there, than there are truth. So, question EVERYTHING!!!!
But do not be a troublemaker, don't argue for pride, or in public (necessarily), or where things don't matter, or are inappropriate. Sometime it's better just to keep it to yourself, and study on your own. You don't have to believe everything that your preacher believes.

Funny bird said:
if i say "son of a bitch" to a someone i.e to you and your mother is indeed a bitch it is not bad because it was the truth but if it was a lie and i said it to you then this is a sin

Well, I'm not sure what circumstance that this would be acceptable? If you have an issue with someone's mother, tell her, ...in order to correct.

Funny bird said:
"do not fight over the word of God"?

Again, heresy is everywhere. Don't dispute over trivial issues, but do get serious about important doctrines, like Christological issues. There is a time to rebuke and correct, and there is a time to keep the peace. Let your wisdom guide you.

Funny bird said:
i don't think i am doing it for his glory probably i am just self boasting i need to fix this i probably just want to prove i am right. because they always belittle me i just want to prove that i am right all the time which is i should supress but good thing i haven't been showing this kind of stupid thinking it was just in my head. at the same time i also want to clear my mind of what is the truth

Yes, it gets confusing sometimes. We all have this problem, 'is it me, or is it them?'. Often, it's both. Or, sometimes it's them, sometimes it's you. Gain your confidence by becoming strong in His Word, they will not be able to refute you if you've have a good and reasonable understanding of the Truth.

Funny bird said:
paul claimed that christ is God, but he probably has his own interpretation of "my father is in me and the father in me". and i also have my own interpretation to it crap maybe i should just say there's indeed 2 Gods because who am i? paul is the one who stays by christ God when he was alive he knows better than i am

Paul did not say that Jesus was God, nor did any other inspired writer, nor did Jesus. Both Jesus and Paul, and also John, spoke with great wisdom, which can be very difficult to understand. They used parables and literary conventions that, first, give an indication that they are speaking profound things, and two, require deep insight to grasp.
Yes, Jesus said that the Father is in him, and he in the Father. Literally, it makes no sense, it is thus a figure of speech? See below.

John 17:20-22
17:20. "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21. that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22. "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;

ThePuffyBlob · Mar 29, 2020

@DNB
about the person needs to join a religion in order for it to be saved the verse attached was proverbs1:24-38 which is not a good explanation and can mean a lot of things

i now see that one needs knowledge about the bible because when i started listening to this preachings i agreed unconditionally because i am still ignorant of a lot of things i know you won't be able to understand the language of this and there's no subtitle but i'll still share

it's proverbs1:24-28 can translate but....

and this was about the badwords same language lol

i will translate not sure if this are the right words lol seriously google can't be trusted when translating

the preachers said if you are using badwords unproperly that is a sin

because the words has it's own responsible place
let's read
proverbs 25:11 kjv
11 A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.

if you actually use a word to it's responsible place it is liken to a gold into a basket of silver

if you said it in it's responsible place for example
oh that girl is holy, mary is holy that is right mary is indeed holy

eh for example you said this girl is patutot??(not familliar with this word but according to google it is a whore) ah this girl is a whore isn't the word whore a badword

but if you are saying it fitly in it's responsible place it is not wrong eh because she is indeed a whore

the wrong is when you say a whore is holy and then you will say holy is a whore that is the wrong when you will flip it

let's read proverbs 24:24 kjv
24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

you say the bad is righteous it is a curse to you that is the answer brother

ThePuffyBlob · Mar 29, 2020

DNB said:
You don't have to believe everything that your preacher believes.

you are right i am keeping that in mind

DNB said:
Well, I'm not sure what circumstance that this would be acceptable? If you have an issue with someone's mother, tell her, ...in order to correct.

that was an example qwq
nothing more than an example

DNB said:
Paul did not say that Jesus was God,

oh did he not? crap did i just add something to the bible then i thought he did if i just search for it hmmm later

DNB said:
it makes no sense

it makes sense to me though it was in spirit while christ is in the flesh we are in the flesh as well the flesh is the temple of the holy spirit that even the evil spirits take shelter from right?

Invisibilis · Mar 29, 2020

Funny bird said:
...but if there are no perfect religion why is every religion condemns other religions? ...
i just don't get it are we destined to attack each other for our own religion?...

All religions are conditional. Each religion have their own set of conditions. If two religions had identical conditions, then they would be the same religion; the only difference is their name. All religions miss the point of unconditionality, which cannot be comprehended by reason, logic, or other conditionality; hence the need for unconditional faith (words to describe honesty without content).

God is unconditional, yet humans only understand conditionality. The bible was written by conditional beings, yet it teaches us to let go of 'self', the very source of our conditionality. Be letting go of 'self', we can 'know' what is true without reason or understanding. This is the paradox between flesh and spirit _ two opposing realms. Religion is flesh-based so to speak. Truth, Love and Faith is spirit-based so to speak.

Forget about religion(s). Keep it simple: love the Love that loves you; and God will listen to you.

John 9:31 "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him".

DNB · Mar 29, 2020

Funny bird said:
@DNB
about the person needs to join a religion in order for it to be saved the verse attached was proverbs1:24-38 which is not a good explanation and can mean a lot of things

let's read proverbs 24:24 kjv
24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

you say the bad is righteous it is a curse to you that is the answer brother

No, that was a very bad translation,

Proverbs 24:23-25
24:23. These also are sayings of the wise. To show partiality in judgment is not good. 24. He who says to the wicked, "You are righteous," Peoples will curse him, nations will abhor him; 25. But to those who rebuke the wicked will be delight, And a good blessing will come upon them.

Either way, the point is, it is the intent behind the words we use. Jesus constantly rebuked the Pharisees, Scribes and Sadducees, called them vipers and whit-washed tombs, liars, and devil's children. Not very flattering. And, truth is not always the requirement, as in, calling someone fat or stupid. Again, it is the intent. If you are trying to correct someone, or make them aware of truth, this can be done in many different ways. Always chose the one that will have the desired effect to help. Even telling someone that they are evil, and you want others to hear as a warning, is acceptable.
But typically, it is the intent, that you are trying to bring them towards thinking about how God feels about their behaviour.

DNB · Mar 29, 2020

Funny bird said:
you are right i am keeping that in mind

that was an example qwq
nothing more than an example

oh did he not? crap did i just add something to the bible then i thought he did if i just search for it hmmm later

it makes sense to me though it was in spirit while christ is in the flesh we are in the flesh as well the flesh is the temple of the holy spirit that even the evil spirits take shelter from right?

Well, I mean that it makes no sense that anyone can be in another person. Therefore, we must spiritualize the meaning. And as you see, the verse I quoted showed that we all are in one another. Therefore, it does not mean that I am you, and you are in me. Thus, it doesn't require the that Jesus is God by that expression (I am in Him, and He is in Me). We are all in one another. You see what I mean?

ThePuffyBlob · Mar 30, 2020

DNB said:
Jesus constantly rebuked the Pharisees, Scribes and Sadducees, called them vipers and whit-washed tombs, liars, and devil's children.

this was also what the preacher claims the preachers from long ago are worser when it comes to badwords compare to him while preaching and using badwords to his enemies and blind members of other church

for your information he was preaching to the whole world whatever the religion one is in they can listen he says to those people who are i.e jw, born again, baptist and so on "sorry you are blind this is the truth" "you are an idiot sorry this is the truth" something like this your "preachers are liars" "they are from demons" something like this that's why a lot of people wants him dead and been exiled in this country

he usually preaches with might against those false religion and exposed their wrong doings based on what was written and his own understand

so badwords is okay? if it's use properly?

are all christianity churches self righteous?

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