Is Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday.

Paul Christensen · Mar 30, 2020

GerhardEbersoehn said:
Thanks for your A+ post— from a logical point of view, all depending on the meaning one give to the concepts of 'Paradise' and 'Kingdom'.
In Luke 23:42 the one crucified malefactor said to Jesus, "remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom", and in verse 43 Jesus had answered him, "Today shalt thou be, with Me in paradise."
The conclusion is "kingdom" and "paradise" are synonymous.
Certain other facts are also pertinent about the "kingdom".
(LP - Last Passover of Jesus)
Kingdom

MT 10 LP 1 MK 2 LP 0 LK 5 LP 3 JH 0 OT many

Kingdom of My Father

MT 1 LP 1 MK 0 LK 0 JH 0 OT 0

Kingdom of God

MT 5 LP 0 MK 11 LP 2 LK 28 LP 4 JH 3 LP 0 OT 0

Kingdom of Heaven

MT 29 LP 0 MK 0 LP 0 LK 0 LP 0 JH 0 LP 0 OT 0

The use of the word "kingdom" as in this summary, shows,
exclusive NT use
by Jesus virtually exclusively
the most poignant instance of its use is a LP incidence
which Jesus used with clear reference to when and how He would SUFFER and DIE.

These truths force me to believe Jesus' entering into LP Suffering was his Entering into "Paradise" onto the Battlefield in "the Kingdom of My Father".

So as they were speaking to each other, Jesus assured the thief on the cross that he would "be with Me", Jesus, IN HIS SUFFERING AND DEATH, "TODAY", and that he would that very day be saved eternally.

The great thing is that the criminal said "Yes" to Jesus and that saved him from hell. Even at the point of death, a person can be rescued from the eternal penalty. I think that is the point of why that part of the narrative was included.

So, the bottom line for all us, however we interpret the Bible, (and the different interpretations is what makes this forum fun and interesting) is that there are only two types of people - converted to Christ or unsaved, and there are only two alternate destinations after death, Judgment and hell, or Judgment -removal of penalty through Christ - heaven.

We all have to die, and after that the Judgment. In these days of coronavirus and the number of people, all ages, who are dying from it, we are all at risk, and so it is important that people are warned of sin, righteousness and judgment to come.

101G · Mar 30, 2020

Cooper said:
It was early in the morning, the darkness had gone and it was DAYlight.

You are going on ignore.
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fine, you're doing me a favor.

PICJAG.

101G · Mar 30, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
The great thing is that the criminal said "Yes" to Jesus and that saved him from hell. Even at the point of death, a person can be rescued from the eternal penalty. I think that is the point of why that part of the narrative was included.

So, the bottom line for all us, however we interpret the Bible, (and the different interpretations is what makes this forum fun and interesting) is that there are only two types of people - converted to Christ or unsaved, and there are only two alternate destinations after death, Judgment and hell, or Judgment -removal of penalty through Christ - heaven.

We all have to die, and after that the Judgment. In these days of coronavirus and the number of people, all ages, who are dying from it, we are all at risk, and so it is important that people are warned of sin, righteousness and judgment to come.

Romans 14:7 8, and 9 ".

PICJAG.

Paul Christensen · Mar 30, 2020

101G said:
Romans 14:7 8, and 9 ".

PICJAG.

So true!

Brakelite · Mar 30, 2020

GerhardEbersoehn said:
So you and the SDA <<think .. what made the Sabbath the Sabbath>> was not God's MERCY SHOWN on the Seventh Day from that it was evening "in the cool of day" in Genesis 3:8 and further, which made the Sabbath "holy" and "blessed" because Christ was the Lamb of God THERE AND THEN AFTER ADAM AND EVE HAD SINNED. Because it's a fact the SDA have resisted, ridiculed and rejected this ONLY Blessing which ever "made the Sabbath" a blessing "for man".

I cannot speak for the church I'm a member of, just for myself. Perhaps I might accept what you are suggesting it it were explained in a manner i could understand and not with the accusatory attitude. Try me.

Cooper · Mar 30, 2020

I get it. There is one guy trying to make out Jesus was crucified on Thursday, and another guy trying to make out he rose on Saturday.

I wonder what lies behind it..? As if I cannot guess.
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Paul Christensen · Mar 30, 2020

Brakelite2 said:
I cannot speak for the church I'm a member of, just for myself. Perhaps I might accept what you are suggesting it it were explained in a manner i could understand and not with the accusatory attitude. Try me.

Keeping the Saturday Sabbath does not prevent a person being born again of the Spirit of God and therefore being genuinely converted to Christ. This means that keeping the Sabbath is not absolutely linked to our salvation, although it is preferable to set aside a day for rest and worship of God. If people believe that it has to be Saturday and not Sunday, and others believe it is Sunday and doesn't have to be Saturday, it makes no difference to their standing in Christ if they are genuinely born again.

The crucial question is: "Are you born again?"

Brakelite · Mar 30, 2020

101G said:
now the last clue for you all... Mark 16:2 "And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mark 16:3 "And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
Mark 16:4 "And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great".

he had already risen before the sun came up and before the first day started. well? how hard is that to understand.

PICJAG.

Did not the first day begin as the sun set the previous evening?

Paul Christensen · Mar 30, 2020

Cooper said:
I get it. There is one guy trying to make out Jesus was crucified on Thursday, and another guy trying to make out he rose on Saturday.

I wonder what lies behind it..? As if I cannot guess.
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Does it really matter when all things are considered? What does matter is: Have you been born again so that Jesus has taken your penalty for sin on Himself when He suffered and died on the cross?

Paul Christensen · Mar 30, 2020

Brakelite2 said:
Did not the first day begin as the sun set the previous evening?

Now, that IS interesting! Never thought of that!

Cooper · Mar 30, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
Keeping the Saturday Sabbath does not prevent a person being born again of the Spirit of God and therefore being genuinely converted to Christ. This means that keeping the Sabbath is not absolutely linked to our salvation, although it is preferable to set aside a day for rest and worship of God. If people believe that it has to be Saturday and not Sunday, and others believe it is Sunday and doesn't have to be Saturday, it makes no difference to their standing in Christ if they are genuinely born again.

The crucial question is: "Are you born again?"

And ignore the LORD'S DAY! Never.
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Cooper · Mar 30, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
Does it really matter when all things are considered? What does matter is: Have you been born again so that Jesus has taken your penalty for sin on Himself when He suffered and died on the cross?

Yes it does matter. I would be worshiping the false god of a false religion that was ended by God in AD 70
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Brakelite · Mar 30, 2020

Cooper said:
And ignore the LORD'S DAY! Never.
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On what basis do you ascribe to Sunday the title, "Lord's day"?

Paul Christensen · Mar 30, 2020

Cooper said:
And ignore the LORD'S DAY! Never.

So, when the crowd's hearts were pricked and they cried out what shall we do to be saved? Peter answered, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and observe the Lord's Day and you will be saved"?

And Paul's answer to the Philippian jailor, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be baptised, and, don't forget, keep the Lord's Day, and you will be saved and your household"?

What happens to people who add to God's Word? See Proverbs 30:5-6.

Cooper · Mar 30, 2020

Brakelite2 said:
On what basis do you ascribe to Sunday the title, "Lord's day"?

That is the day my Lord and Saviour conquered sin and death when he rose from the grave.
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Paul Christensen · Mar 30, 2020

Cooper said:
Yes it does matter. I would be worshiping the false god of a false religion that was ended by God in AD 70
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So, the Ten Commandments includes to observe the Sabbath Day and keep it holy, because God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. So, if in the Judgment we are going to be judged on how we have kept the Ten Commandments and you find that because you were a lying, thieving, blaspheming adulterer at heart, which we all are if we have told lies, taken things that don't belong to us, used God's name as a curse word and looked on a person with lust, or viewed pornography, which we all have done (to be honest with ourselves). Then, if observing the Sabbath is one of those Commandments, would we not be found guilty of that too?

If you think it was a false God to gave that one of the Ten Commandments for us to follow, then to be consistent it must have been the same God who gave the other nine, don't you think? Or was it the true God of the Bible who gave us all Ten to follow, and that we are going to be judged on all ten, and not just those we choose?

Paul Christensen · Mar 30, 2020

Cooper said:
That is the day my Lord and Saviour conquered sin and death when he rose from the grave.
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So if we observe that instead of the Saturday Sabbath, are we still not keeping the Sabbath Day Commandment which is one of the other nine we are required to keep?

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald · Mar 30, 2020

quietthinker said:
He/She who dismisses the Ten Commandments as a relic of the past and says it is no longer binding does not understand the fundamental principles of the Plan of Redemption ie, it is because God's Law is immovable and unchangeable that Jesus suffered as he did.

Their muddled imagination has cobbled an understanding together which gives them permission to continue in breaking its precepts with imagined impunity although they do not admit this outwardly.

They dismiss the words of scripture which state that breaking one constitutes breaking them all. James 2:10

They do not understand the far reaching claims of God's Law and that it will be the standard by which every man is judged. They do not understand that the Sabbath Commandment is a regular reoccurring visible sign. Ezekiel 20:12

They do not understand that this Commandment embodies his seal. They have forgotten the many scriptures that clearly state that it will be by our works that we are judged.

They presume upon God's Mercy all the while continuing to justify violating his Commands. There is a form of Godliness but the denial of its power....the power to do God's bidding. 2 Timothy 3:5

They do not understand what righteousness consists of.

They do not understand that the manifestation of God's Spirit is the the desire, the willingness and the ability to keep his Commandments. 1 John 5:2-3

They are oblivious to the fact that it was Lucifer who set himself up against God's Commandments (Isaiah 14:12-15) and has laid plans to deceive the peoples by getting them to agree that God's Laws are restrictive and oppressive.....they are unaware that by excusing them, by circumventing them, and by dismissing them they are falling into the net that Lucifer has cleverly laid for their destruction.

When Balaam could not curse Israel overtly he resorted to undermining God's protection of them by getting them to break his Law.....he did it by appealing to their lust. Read the story in Numbers 22-25.

I'm not going to waste the time reading all of this when it all hinges on one fact: I'm dismissing things. When the curtain tore, that which made things like the Arc valuable left. Therefore, things like the arc are now to be dismissed as worthless since that which gave it value is gone. The sabath once held use but now that which made it valuable is gone. Anything not worth dismissing left with the Spirit of God, so I have done no wrong since I only dismiss that which remained. Also, you're an arrogant idiot. You spout of these verses with no idea what they are. Learn to understand the spirit of truth rather than empty shells

quietthinker · Mar 30, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
Keeping the Saturday Sabbath does not prevent a person being born again of the Spirit of God and therefore being genuinely converted to Christ. This means that keeping the Sabbath is not absolutely linked to our salvation, although it is preferable to set aside a day for rest and worship of God. If people believe that it has to be Saturday and not Sunday, and others believe it is Sunday and doesn't have to be Saturday, it makes no difference to their standing in Christ if they are genuinely born again.

The crucial question is: "Are you born again?"

Another question is, are the other nine Commandments as flexible as you assert the Sabbath Commandment being if one is born again? ....further, if the Sabbath Commandment is not linked to our salvation are the other nine also dispensable?

Cooper · Mar 30, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
So if we observe that instead of the Saturday Sabbath, are we still not keeping the Sabbath Day Commandment which is one of the other nine we are required to keep?

I reckon those who keep Sunday are keeping the commandment. But I do not like the way this conversation is going and I want nothing to do with it.
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