That's helpful. Your answer to my questions about the decline of Christianity is that you don't care.
Trust me, I fully appreciate how that's your view, so there's no need to keep repeating yourself.
Is this good for Christianity?
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Hi Justadude (love the name)
I don't believe there is a decline in Christianity, it is more like an increase in the worlds view of things. There is a decline in truth, morals, LOVE, fear of God, humility, and a host of other things. Christianity is forever. It is the world and the much of the younger generations who choose to do everything their own way and put value in things that can fail them. I prefer the Rock that comes through for me time and time again...took me decades to get where I am today with understanding the things of God.
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I repeat myself because I don't feel like I'm being heard, not at all.
Like you keep thinking I should care about whatever status Paul's beliefs have.
Should I likewise care about whatever status your beliefs?
How about a Muslim's?
Militant aithest?
Flat-Earther?
And the evidence so far confirms individually the sin of the atheist/agnostic, and the perversion(sin), as he has posted himself.
Really? 'the name' ? First time I read it, it reminded me of hmosexual tendencies/ promotions/ avatars for the last twenty years, and has since then been confirmed in that one.
I understand what you're saying. From my perspective, when I speak of the "decline of Christianity" I'm specifically talking about the reduced numbers of people (focusing on the US since we both live there) who identify as Christian. In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid PaceI don't believe there is a decline in Christianity, it is more like an increase in the worlds view of things. There is a decline in truth, morals, LOVE, fear of God, humility, and a host of other things. Christianity is forever. It is the world and the much of the younger generations who choose to do everything their own way and put value in things that can fail them. I prefer the Rock that comes through for me time and time again...took me decades to get where I am today with understanding the things of God.
Just my 2 cents
You're being heard. I just don't agree.
Like I said, your answer is that you don't care. I got that. Thanks.
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I thank you for trying to convey your experiences to me. It looks like because it's so special and personal, it's difficult to put into words in a way that's meaningful to someone who's never had the same sort of experience.
I wish you all the best.
Those people who are stricken to their heart, have a living conscience, realize they crucified Jesus, because of their perversion,
they may repent, turn to Jesus, and be saved.
Most don't. They leave of their own choice - they are not driven away, unless or until they encroach upon places (or remain in places) they do not belong, regardless of whether or not they are being a threat to believers children and to those weak in faith, being a dark splotch of society that is purged out of the assembly by God's Doing, all in perfect accordance with God's Instructions and the Training of Jesus.
they may repent, turn to Jesus, and be saved.
Most don't. They leave of their own choice - they are not driven away, unless or until they encroach upon places (or remain in places) they do not belong, regardless of whether or not they are being a threat to believers children and to those weak in faith, being a dark splotch of society that is purged out of the assembly by God's Doing, all in perfect accordance with God's Instructions and the Training of Jesus.
@Paul Christensen I was browsing through a different Christian forum and I saw where you had been debating evolution with some atheists and I noticed that just yesterday you made a claim about what had happened here at CB. Specifically, you claimed that you challenged people to show evidence of changes between organisms, and no one could meet your challenge. You also repeated your silly talking point about an event having to be replicated in a lab in order to be scientific.
And you even cited the Ray Comfort video that he admitted to editing!
When I saw that I was shocked, disappointed, and eventually somewhat amused. Apparently all the time I took to try and help you from making such goofy arguments that only serve to make both yourself and (by extension) Christianity look foolish was a waste. But I guess that sort of behavior is the stereotype of Christian creationists, and you aren't really any different.
I thought you could do better, but I was wrong. So on that front, I'm still disappointed.
And you even cited the Ray Comfort video that he admitted to editing!
When I saw that I was shocked, disappointed, and eventually somewhat amused. Apparently all the time I took to try and help you from making such goofy arguments that only serve to make both yourself and (by extension) Christianity look foolish was a waste. But I guess that sort of behavior is the stereotype of Christian creationists, and you aren't really any different.
I thought you could do better, but I was wrong. So on that front, I'm still disappointed.
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Being an agnostic, which means that you are saying you don't really know either way, I can't see how you can be so definite that I am wrong, and that the sources I am quoting are wrong, because by your own definition, you can't really know whether I and my sources are right or wrong. Therefore you can't confidently say whether my views are silly or not because you actually don't know.
Now, if you were an atheist, then, yes, you can say that I am silly in my opinions, and I would understand that you would certainly believe it; but that doesn't mean that I have to believe what you are saying.
I had two days of debating with those atheist people, and constantly asked them to provide at least just one small piece of actual observable evidence that the evolutionary process is true science, and none of them could, just the same as no one on this forum could either.
All one could do was to send me an image of a whole range of skull fossils to demonstrate the development of apes to humans, but when I checked it out from a scientist who showed a video where he examined each one, he was able to show that the ape skulls were totally different from the human ones, and was able to show that the range and sizes of the human ones were more from environmental and cultural groups rather than any development from apes to humans. In fact all the human skulls were definitely human, and the ape ones were definitely ape, and there were no skulls that filled the gap between ape and human. So that answered the question for me and showed a complete absence of proof that humans developed from apes.
It was only when we got to the stage when the atheists had run out of answers and they knew that I was not going to be defeated in the debate, one of the reported one of my posts to get me shut down. That's what happens when atheists don't want to admit that they could be wrong - they resort to insult, abuse, and false accusation, and when that doesn't work, they find a minor issue in a post and go bleating to the moderators that they have been unfairly flamed. Never mind that they had blatantly flamed, insulted, abused and ridiculed me in a number of their posts!
So, unless you can come up with definite proof that the evolutionary process is real science, then don't try me on because you will never win with me!
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For a start, you need to get the spelling of my name right!
You have labelled me as Norwegian! My ancestors are Danish if you don't mind! Yes, during the lock-down, and being over 70, I am stuck at home in my house, which is a very attractive and comfortable home, just a kilometre from a great ocean beach. I can hear the roar of the waves from here.
It is that I firmly believe that theistic evolution is a cancer that is invading the churches, and it is a denial of the true gospel of Christ, because if there is no literal Adam and Eve, there is no gospel, because there is no sin for Jesus to have to come and die on the cross to take away the penalty for it. So, if Genesis 1-3 is not literal history, then the rest of the Bible is meaningless. So one does not believe the first three chapters of the Bible, why believe the rest of it?
There's your first problem, believing that I think your talking points and sources about evolution are wrong simply because I'm an agnostic. You're ignoring the fact that some of your fellow Christians also think your talking points and sources are wrong.
This is amazing. Over and over and over and over and over and over so many different people, including Christians, tried and tried to get you to stop making two fundamental mistakes: 1) science doesn't "prove" things, and 2) an event doesn't have to be directly observed or replicated in a lab to be scientifically studied. I even tried to get you to understand #2, but obviously I wasted my time.
Did you notice how many times different people speculated that you might be a "Poe"? Do you appreciate what that means? It means they were seriously wondering if you weren't a non-Christian who was just making stupid arguments in order to make Christians look ridiculous. That's how bad your arguments are.
I don't know why you are so impervious to learning even the most basic, fundamental things. Are you afraid? Are you afraid that if you allow someone to change your mind on one tiny little thing, that might lead to changing your mind on bigger things?
You're still repeating the same basic mistake (science = proof).
Because they really thought you were just a troll, and you did nothing to dissuade them from that.
What happens is, you make terribly ignorant arguments about science, then at first some people try and help you by noting your errors and explaining the basics to you. You ignore it all and just keep making the same ignorant arguments. Then you declare victory.
At that point you are inviting people to call you names. It's like the old saying, "If you don't like being called stupid, stop saying stupid things".
There's another mistake. I have absolutely no interest in trying to convince you that evolution is real science. I don't even think such a thing is possible, given the religious implications this has for you.
All I tried to do was help you stop making arguments that are, to put it bluntly, very stupid. Unfortunately you ignored everything I posted to you and just went to a different place and made the same stupid arguments all over again.
That's your choice for sure, but I wonder if you understand just how much damage you're doing to Christianity's reputation when you behave like that. Or maybe you simply don't care.
Like I said before, it makes no difference to me. It's not my faith you're harming.
This is what I mean. Your belief is "if evolution is true, then Christianity is false". So why would I try to convince you that evolution is true? You're about as biased as a person can be on the subject! Your whole worldview (and likely emotional well being) is at stake! Are you likely to throw all that away because of fossils and genetic studies?
No wonder you told those people that nothing short of actual pictures would convince you.
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But you are an agnostic, so how can you know any of this?
I know that you don't want to provide any proof of evolution because you know full well that there is none that can prove that it is a science, and anything more than just a belief system.
My bad! Apologies, I shall try to be better in the future.For a start, you need to get the spelling of my name right!
I totally acknowledge that.
Obviously my views do differ.
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