Trial run... Or the real thing?

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This is a product of group think from men who look to men saying tell me what I believe, I'm incapable of knowing God.
So ?
No one Cthlic, cthlc, or other, has said that the capital "C" as in Catholic ever refers to the universal 'church', anyplace.
You used it now, in this thread and maybe other places ,
in a way I've never seen anyone else anywhere use it
and until you explained your own personal reason for using it that way,
it was and is misleading.
 

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Is this pandemic really a Hoax? Looking that way..the number have be manufactured...for what? The major hospitals are empty at least in the USA..the famous Queens Elmhurst Hospital in NY is virtually empty....the news footage that folks have been seeing recycled day after day was staged to show a war zone and a constant line of people wanting to get tested....it is a lie...

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Is this pandemic really a Hoax? Looking that way..the number have be manufactured...for what? The major hospitals are empty at least in the USA..the famous Queens Elmhurst Hospital in NY is virtually empty....the news footage that folks have been seeing recycled day after day was staged to show a war zone and a constant line of people wanting to get tested....it is a lie...

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Right; so what is happening with this Covid 19, is a trial run.
The string pullers behind the scenes have orchestrated the normal, regular occurrence of a strain of the flu virus, into a major panic stations, lockdown and huge disruption of the world.
This will condition us all to obeying the dictates of 'Government'. The police and military already show their willingness to enforce the 'Rules'.

But the big change is yet to come. The plan is to start a nuke war in the Middle East, which will depopulate that region and cause worldwide deaths, reducing the world population by at least 1/3rd. They will the form a One World Government, initially ruled by 10 Presidents, but soon the be taken over by one powerful man.
This is Biblical, excepting that there will not be a nuke war, the Lord will arise and destroy all the combatants, Ezekiel 7:14, achieving a similar result. However, not all people will be in this OWG, there will be a new nation formed in all of the area given to Abraham; from the Nile to the Euphrates. Isaiah 35:1-10, Isaiah 62:1-7, Romans 9:24-26
The people who will live there will be the descendants of Abraham; his children by faith, as Galatians 3:26-29 indisputably says.
 
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Right; so what is happening with this Covid 19, is a trial run.
The string pullers behind the scenes have orchestrated the normal, regular occurrence of a strain of the flu virus, into a major panic stations, lockdown and huge disruption of the world.
This will condition us all to obeying the dictates of 'Government'. The police and military already show their willingness to enforce the 'Rules'.

But the big change is yet to come. The plan is to start a nuke war in the Middle East, which will depopulate that region and cause worldwide deaths, reducing the world population by at least 1/3rd. They will the form a One World Government, initially ruled by 10 Presidents, but soon the be taken over by one powerful man.
This is Biblical, excepting that there will not be a nuke war, the Lord will arise and destroy all the combatants, Ezekiel 7:14, achieving a similar result. However, not all people will be in this OWG, there will be a new nation formed in all of the area given to Abraham; from the Nile to the Euphrates. Isaiah 35:1-10, Isaiah 62:1-7, Romans 9:24-26
The people who will live there will be the descendants of Abraham; his children by faith, as Galatians 3:26-29 indisputably says.

An interesting view that seems very plausible, and it can be woven into Biblical prophecy except for the last part of your theory. I cannot agree with your last portion of the sequence of future events. I do know where you have gathered this from in the OT. And the verses you list are not convincing. I just do not see any new physical/political nation, a revived Hebrew nation offered to Abraham with the boundaries you have gotten from scripture. He was never offered a physical future nation. It conflicts with the fact that Israel of the Promise are those in the Spirit, ones from all over the globe and live under their 'own tree,' not locked into a piece of OT land configuration. Yes there will be 'the saved' after Christ's return that shall live in that region you mentioned. The people of the Promise are also those that will be caught up off this earth, into the New Jerusalem, the new Zion, not physically located on the earth. Now those that become 'saved' (if that word is appropriate then?) after Christ's return are also considered part of the Promise.

The physical descendants of Abraham before Christ's ascension were offered this land indeed although they lost it forever by their spiritual separation and divorce.

The scripture for your support is Gen 15:18 and Joshua 1:3-4. And this land was given to them that did not cover the entire area of the length of Nile to the entire length of Euphrates. It only covered about 20 percent of this area that bounds these two rivers East and West. Only the area they walked over as Joshua 1:3 states...the top portion of the Nile and only the top portion of the Euphrates. They never walked over the entire land of Syria and especially the land of Arabia, as many folks love to include. And as I said they 'lost' this that was given to them long before Christ arrived.

If you can show how this 'last piece' of your prophecy theory is truly scriptural, and viable today, I will listen and analyze it.

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The Christian nation of Beulah:

Isaiah 62:1-2a For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent – until her victory shines forth, like the sunrise, her victory like a blazing torch. The nations will see your victory and their rulers your glory.
Isaiah prophesies for the sake of Zion; the holy Land. There will be a great victory, ‘like a blazing torch’ - a CME sunstrike over the attacking enemies. Isaiah 30:25-30 & 66:15-16, Psalms 11:4-6 The world will see it and be amazed. Jeremiah 33:6-16

Isaiah 62:2b-5 You will receive a new name, the Lord Himself will give it. You will be like a glorious crown in His hand. No more are you forsaken and your Land desolate. You will be called ‘Hephzibah’ and the Land, ‘Beulah’. For the Lord will delight in you and it will be like a marriage: He will rejoice over you as a bridegroom over his bride. ‘Hephzibah’ = My delight is in her. ‘Beulah’ = married. Isaiah 49:18, Romans 9:24-26
The Lord’s people, Christian Israelites will be gathered and settled into their heritage, all of the holy Land, in the new nation of Beulah. Wonderful promises to them of fertility and wealth. They will live in justice, peace and security, as He intended people to be.


Isaiah 62:6-7 Jerusalem, on your walls, I have posted watchmen, they will call out: You that invoke the Name of the Lord, do not rest and give no rest to the Lord until He makes Jerusalem a praise throughout the world.
The Hebrew word for ‘watchmen’, is ‘natzar’, the root word for Nazarene; literally all Christian believers. WE must not rest or let the Lord forget His people and His Land. Keep praying for our redemption and restoration. Ezekiel 36:24-28, Isaiah 52:7-9

Isaiah 62:8-9 The Lord has sworn to never again allow foreigners to take the produce of the Land, but you who give praises to Him will eat the grain and drink the wine, within My sacred courts.
After the great clearance in the Middle East, only His righteous people will be allowed to live there, those who love the Lord and obey Him. Isaiah 66:20-21, Ezekiel 20:38

Isaiah 62:10-11 Pass through the gates – clear a road for My people. Build a highway, remove the rocks and make a signal to guide the people. Proclaim to the ends of the earth, say to the offspring of Zion: See your deliverance comes, His reward is with Him and He will make recompense.
The great gathering of the Lord’s people – the second Exodus, will happen in the same manner as the first Exodus. Leaders [shepherds] will arise to guide the flock, in the spirit of Moses and Elijah. Jeremiah 3:14-15, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 43:5-7, Micah 4:6, Isaiah 49:9-13, Isaiah 51:3, Zechariah 8:11-12, Isaiah 40:1-5, Ezekiel 11:17

Isaiah 62:12 They will be called ‘The Holy people, the Redeemed of God’ and Jerusalem will be called ‘sought after, the City no longer forsaken’.

The Lord’s faithful Christian people: living in the Holy Land of Beulah, as He created them to live, being a ‘light to the nations’ and witnesses to His salvation. They will send out 144,000 missionaries to every people group, to preach the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Acts 2:39, Jeremiah 31:23-34

Joel 2:23-27 People of Zion, rejoice – your God will recompense you for the years that others have ravaged your Land. You will again have plenty in your own Land. Then you will know that I am present in Israel and that I and no other am your God. We will know the Lord is present by His deeds. Just as it was at the Exodus. Must be before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.
 
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@Keraz ...not buying into this salvation theory of a triumphant one event physical war that introduces a 'Christian' occupied land..

I'm afraid I'm more cautious and conservative in my beliefs of this area of scripture you posed; for example Isaiah 6:1-12.
I do not 'see' a future 'Christian' nation created on earth and occupying lands that was permanently lost in the OT for spiritual wickedness. And then your support for it by being creative with the words 'blazing torch' as part of an act of physical war that will cause it. No, this glory began especially with the works of Yahshua, not by a future victory from war.

Just a quick commentary of say Isaiah 6:1-4 tells me this:

Zion refers to the Mount that Jerusalem sits on. The two terms are used synonymous.

YHWH gave (shall give) glory to ‘his people’ and their ‘new’ city, Jerusalem. It again will shine for all the nations to see and to know of YHWH’s hand in the matter. This is a future prophecy.

The effect of this new glory shall extend to all tribes of the world. And we know it began through Yahshua, his Son. Righteousness was extended to all those that YHWH selected from all nations around the globe. This glory and grace of YHWH for all nations is still ongoing today.

The new name to be given to the reborn spiritual Israel from all nations is still in our future. We are precious and the glory of our Father, YHWH. The saints shall be called ‘my delight’ (Hephzibah) and the land shall be called ‘married’ (Beulah) or wedded to YHWH through his Son, Yahshua – the marriage of the Lamb (Rev 19:7). This is a future depiction of the new Zion or new Jerusalem not on the earth, not on a lost piece of land brought by a victorious war. This land you are using and preserving into the future was lost permanently through spiritual wickedness and a divorce decreed by YHWH. It is not intended to be preserved for some future domain and inhabited solely by Christians.

And her salvation....As a lamp that burns or as a burning torch is an expression of the permanence and victory of SPIRITUAL salvation for YHWH's people through Christ, NOT a PHYSICAL salvation from a single future physical war event.

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...not buying into this salvation theory of a triumphant one event physical war that introduces a 'Christian' occupied land..
The Bible does not say that the 'Christians' will occupy the land, in the life to come, nor after Jesus comes. Oh, they 'occupy' many places today, but that does not save anyone. It might make for temporaty peace in this life, but does not save a soul nor give them the peace and joy of salvation in Jesus.
 
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I realize that the concept of we Christians going to live in all of the holy Land, is a new and unheard of idea.
But this is what God wants. He wants a people there who will be the people that He has tried to establish there for so long. A people who will be faithful to Him and be His witness's and His Light to the nations. John 15:27, Acts 1:8, Matthew 5:14-16

The Lord says: I will give the Land to new owners:

Zephaniah 3:1-8 Woe to the place of oppression, filthy and defiled, they heed no warning voice and ignore God’s rebukes. They won’t take correction or place their trust in their Creator. Their leaders have no concern for the people and prophet and priest alike profane the Holy Scriptures.
The people who ‘won’t take correction and trust their Creator’, is the Jewish State of Israel.


The Lord has judged and punished them before, their land laid waste and the towns deserted and He thought: surely now they will fear Me and will accept instruction, but they continue on in their evil deeds and they show no shame for it.
Judah has been punished and exiled before; by Babylon and by Rome. But as Ezekiel 21:14 tells us, there will be a third time.


Therefore: look out for Me, for the Day when I will stand up to witness against you, on the Day that I execute justice upon the nations, for I will pour out My fierce anger and the whole earth will be enveloped by the fire of My wrath.
This will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and fiery wrath against the nations. Prophesied in the Bible over 100 times. Habakkuk 3:12 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +


Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall wipe away your shame for all the transgressions committed in you, for I shall remove all your proud and arrogant citizens, only the humble and peaceful people will remain and those who never practice evil or speak lies, they will settle in the Land and nothing will disturb them.
This is the great Second Exodus of all of God’s people into all of the holy Land. Every faithful Christian: a vast multitude from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18-21, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Romans 9:24:26, Revelation 7:9


Zephaniah 3:9-10 They will all know a pure language, so everyone will know the true Name of the Lord and will praise Him with one accord. My worshippers, all the righteous people will come from afar to worship the Lord and bring offerings to Him.
People from every race, nation and language, all the born again Christian people, will travel there to live, in the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, while the rest of the world is ruled by a One World Government. Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:12

Zephaniah 3:14-17 Daughter of Jerusalem; sing for joy! For the Lord has taken away your punishments and has cast out your enemies. Now the Lord is with you and you need never again fear disaster.
On the Day of the Lord’s wrath; This is the message for My people: Fear not, stand firm in your faith, your God will keep you safe and will rejoice over you.
Ref: REB, CJB, KJV. Some verses condensed and paraphrased.


This chapter of Zephaniah encapsulates the soon to happen end times story.
It tells how Jerusalem, the holy Land is denigrated by its ungodly inhabitants and will rejoice when they are gone. How those enemies of the Lord, the evil neighbors, Jeremiah 12:14, and all who reject the Salvation of Jesus, will be uprooted and gone, then the holy Land resettled by the Lord’s faithful believers. Ezekiel 34:11-31 tells it plainly.

Jeremiah 7:30-34 & 8:1-13 The people of Judah have done wrong, they worship idols and have no regard for their Creator....Therefore, the time is coming when I shall fill the valley of Topeth with their corpses.......All the survivor’s of this wicked race, from wherever I have banished them, would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14

...Judah is incurable in their waywardness......I listen, but I hear not one word of remorse ....My people do not know the Judgements of the Lord. How can you say: We are wise and we have the Law of God, when your scribes and priests have falsified it? The wise are shamed and where is wisdom in them?

Therefore I will give their wives to others and give their land to new owners, for all of their prophets and priests are frauds....on My Day of reckoning, they will fall with a great crash. I shall surely consume them says the Lord and there will be no grapes on the vine, [Israel] and no figs on the fig tree. [Judah]


We Christians are told by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5, that we should know God’s plans for what will happen in the near future. Zephaniah 3 gives it to us, confirmed by the sequence of Revelation chapters 6-7.

What is presented to you in these scriptures, is God’s Promises to His faithful people, His blessings of peace and prosperity, of joy and happiness, of security and long life, as all who love Him and keep the Commandments; will live in His Land.

It is the prophetic parallel of ancient Israel, where Jesus led the people through the desert and how most of them refused to accept the Promise. 1 Corinthians 10:6-13

Ezekiel 20:34-38 tells how, once again, some of His people will revolt and rebel and they will not be allowed to enter the Land of Israel.


In today’s situation, we have many who have accepted the Gospel, but who have chosen their own beliefs about what God intends to do for His people and during this forthcoming test, 1 Peter 4:12, they may fail to stand firm in their trust that the Lord will protect them. This won’t lose their salvation, but it will be a serious disadvantage, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

As the great chapter of Isaiah 35:1-10, one of the many prophesies that describe the Lord’s faithful Christian people entering the holy Land, says: ...no one unclean will go there....The Lord’s people, set free: will enter Zion with shouts of triumph.
 

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Is this pandemic really a Hoax? Looking that way..the number have be manufactured...for what? The major hospitals are empty at least in the USA..the famous Queens Elmhurst Hospital in NY is virtually empty....the news footage that folks have been seeing recycled day after day was staged to show a war zone and a constant line of people wanting to get tested....it is a lie...

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As a follow-up to my previous comment on this subject....
These are two pics off a video, too large to upload...it shows that when the news nets are filming with their cameras they use dummies and not real people as patients for some reason....have to slow the frames down to catch this classic trick of deception
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Is this pandemic really a Hoax? Looking that way..the number have be manufactured...for what? The major hospitals are empty at least in the USA..the famous Queens Elmhurst Hospital in NY is virtually empty....the news footage that folks have been seeing recycled day after day was staged to show a war zone and a constant line of people wanting to get tested....it is a lie...
The pandemic is not necessarily a hoax, but President Trump -- who is essentially the leader of the free world -- has handed over the narrative to those who are perpetrating a hoax on America. He made an extremely poor selection of those who would be on his Task Force, and as a result the Leftists have benefited in every way, and so have the enemies of America and freedom.

Imagine this -- China creates this pandemic and now New York willingly accepts medical equipment from China, which (for all we know) is deliberately defective! The Europeans have been condemning defectiveChinese manufactured masks etc since the pandemic broke out. So why did Mr. Trump allow this nonsense as well as 40,000 Chinese to enter the USA after the outbreak?

And why is he now walking on eggshells when he clearly wanted to keep calling the Wuhan virus the Chinese virus (and rightly so) after (wrongly) praising President Xi earlier on? And why has he allowed the UN to place China on its Human Rights Commission after the brutal treatment of the Chinese in Hong Kong, the Uighurs, the victims of the virus in Wuhan etc.? Why has he not fired Birx and Fauci and called for the immediate resignation of the Director General of W.H.O. who was working for the Chinese all along?

So obviously someone is pulling his strings, and he will pay dearly for letting down his guard.
 

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Mmmmm. It's such a red herring that 2 billion people are deceived into thinking they belong to the only true church.... That there is no other means by which to be saved other than through submission to papal teachings and authority... Such a red herring that most of the leaders of the secular world bow and scrape, kissing his ring and hang on every word the pope says.... Such a red herring that not even Protestants any more believe the papal system is Antichrist so see no reason not to go back to mother... Such a red herring that that the vast majority of the Christian world awaits a future individual to appear in Jerusalem and announce from the pulpit in a new temple that the world ought to worship him and the Christian world thinks such a scenario would be an act of deception? Who would be deceived? Everyone, bar none, is expecting that very thing. Yet the whole world will blithely fall down and worship this character????
What do you think is being the most deceptive? A counterfeit Christian ediface that purports to be the pillar and foundation of all truth and the only true descendant of Christian authority in the world, having one third of the world on its books with the majority of those members not knowing Christ, and in fact practicing amalgams of Christianity such as Santiria and voodoo with the full knowledge and approval of Rome, and the rest locked in by fear to ritualism and sacramentalism that offers nothing but a world of works based salvation and a false hope.... An institution that is guilty of the worst of crimes throughout it's history and had worked assiduously to cover them up and mitigate the effects... An institution that now is currently working with quiet determination to nullify the gospel throughout the world and encourage all other religions to unite with her in one global despotic tyranny, including mainline,Evangelical churches and independent Pentecostal churches in America.
Or, a future individual invented by anti Protestant Jesuits in the 16th century? Who is being deceived here? Which do you think is the red herring? Which has already answered to all the criteria needful to fulfill prophetic scripture? Why look ye for another?

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Why look for another? Simple, because it hasn't fulfilled the scriptures that actually matter concerning the first beast and woman of revelation and their identities, which is clearly not the Roman Catholic Church. Will the RCC play a significant role in the last days or leading up to it? Maybe, but everything you pointed out only proved my point, that the Roman Catholic Church is an easy target for Christians to point the finger at. If the Roman Catholic Church has anything to do with end times prophecy at all it would be the second beast that rises out of the earth. Its made very clear though that the second beast, like the first beast is a specific individual, since he comes on the scene performing miracles. It remains to be seen if that second beast ends up rising out of the RCC, which could the case considering the scripture below.

(Revelation 13:11) "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

The first indication we see here is the fact that he rises out of the earth, which means he will likely be human, as opposed to the first beast who I believe is likely the angel Apollyon, the king of the bottomless pit. As far as I see, John identifies the first beast as Apollyon in Rev 11 which is well after the sixth trumpet is sounded and just before the angel blows the last trumpet that ushers in the last 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation.

(Revelation 9:1-2) "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit."

(Revelation 9:10-11) "And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. {11} And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

(Revelation 11:7) "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

The word "lamb" could be an indication of his identify being related to a religion that purports to have something to do with Jesus, who is also known as the "lamb". The two horns of the second beast could be another indicator since horns symbolize a sort of king or ruler, or someone who is the head of state or the leader of a specific institution. The Pope being called the "vicar of Christ" is another indication that might point to the second beast since John also calls him the "false prophet". So he is like the disciple of the first beast who does his bidding to further deceive the world with miracles into falling head over hills for the first beast even more than they already had at that point. He deceives the world into making an "image" of the first beast and causes the world to take his mark. And when it comes to the "image of the beast", it will basically be the ultimate form of idol worship, and we know that no one today does idol worship better than the Roman Catholic Church.

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(Revelation 13:15) "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

(Revelation 16:13) "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet."

So like I said, time always tells the truth, this all remains to be seen.
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Why look for another? Simple, because it hasn't fulfilled the scriptures that actually matter concerning the first beast and woman of revelation and their identities, which is clearly not the Roman Catholic Church. Will the RCC play a significant role in the last days or leading up to it? Maybe, but everything you pointed out only proved my point, that the Roman Catholic Church is an easy target for Christians to point the finger at. If the Roman Catholic Church has anything to do with end times prophecy at all it would be the second beast that rises out of the earth. Its made very clear though that the second beast, like the first beast is a specific individual, since he comes on the scene performing miracles. It remains to be seen if that second beast ends up rising out of the RCC, which could the case considering the scripture below.



The first indication we see here is the fact that he rises out of the earth, which means he will likely be human, as opposed to the first beast who I believe is likely the angel Apollyon, the king of the bottomless pit. As far as I see, John identifies the first beast as Apollyon in Rev 11 which is well after the sixth trumpet is sounded and just before the angel blows the last trumpet that ushers in the last 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation.







The word "lamb" could be an indication of his identify being related to a religion that purports to have something to do with Jesus, who is also known as the "lamb". The two horns of the second beast could be another indicator since horns symbolize a sort of king or ruler, or someone who is the head of state or the leader of a specific institution. The Pope being called the "vicar of Christ" is another indication that might point to the second beast since John also calls him the "false prophet". So he is like the disciple of the first beast who does his bidding to further deceive the world with miracles into falling head over hills for the first beast even more than they already had at that point. He deceives the world into making an "image" of the first beast and causes the world to take his mark. And when it comes to the "image of the beast", it will basically be the ultimate form of idol worship, and we know that no one today does idol worship better than the Roman Catholic Church.

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So like I said, time always tells the truth, this all remains to be seen.
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Your eschatology is all over the place. Your interpretations are from your own imagination and are inconsistent, confused, and wholly guesswork. And being futurist they are in essence Jesuit inspired and designed to hide the Catholic Church from Gods own identification of her as the Antichrist.
Antichrist…what does that mean exactly?

Revelation 13
 
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Your eschatology is all over the place. Your interpretations are from your own imagination and are inconsistent, confused, and wholly guesswork. And being futurist they are in essence Jesuit inspired and designed to hide the Catholic Church from Gods own identification of her as the Antichrist.
Antichrist…what does that mean exactly?

Revelation 13

:rolleyes:.......Your eschatology of when the Day of the Lord and the last trumpet occurs is all over the damn place and wholly guesswork based on bits and pieces of scripture from prophets who only knew of end times prophecy in part, that includes Jesus. Your eschatology of this big bad Antichrist is wholly guesswork. Every time I see people speak at length about this guy, referring to him as the "beast", they ALWAYS fail to mention that there are in fact two beasts, not one. My point is the events as they are described to occur in revelation are not as cut and dry, or simple as you want it to be, just because you want the whole thing to be about the RCC. I wasn't even going to bother responding to you, seeing that this is the thanks I was likely going to get from you creatures of habit. I honestly could care less about what the Jesuits believe, know very little about them. My attention is focuses on the Bible, yours seem to be elsewhere.
 

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:rolleyes:.......Your eschatology of when the Day of the Lord and the last trumpet occurs is all over the damn place and wholly guesswork based on bits and pieces of scripture from prophets who only knew of end times prophecy in part, that includes Jesus. Your eschatology of this big bad Antichrist is wholly guesswork. Every time I see people speak at length about this guy, referring to him as the "beast", they ALWAYS fail to mention that there are in fact two beasts, not one. My point is the events as they are described to occur in revelation are not as cut and dry, or simple as you want it to be, just because you want the whole thing to be about the RCC. I wasn't even going to bother responding to you, seeing that this is the thanks I was likely going to get from you creatures of habit. I honestly could care less about what the Jesuits believe, know very little about them. My attention is focuses on the Bible, yours seem to be elsewhere.
Prayerfully read through those links I gave you. If you don't see where I'm coming from and how the Bible is it's own interpreter, then I cannot help you. To attempt to have one beast represent one type of thing and another beast another type of thing, shows that God Himself is inconsistent. He did not place prophecy in scripture to confuse you. It actually is plain... It is simple... It is clear if you are willing to keep to the basic rules of interpretation. Beasts are all empires. Horns that grow from those beasts are the various Kings or Nations that the empire comprises of. A SYMBOLIC beast/empire in the OT doesn't suddenly become an individual person in the NT. The exception of the dragon himself. He is a beast... Genuine hard core Satan himself... And those empires that resemble him are his creation made in his likeness and his image. They are metaphorically speaking, his babies, established to carry out his will in the war between himself and Christ. And the Antichrist is no exception. First growing as a little horn from the Roman beast in Daniel 7, by the time this power was fully formed in it's own right became a beast itself...a predator just like it's parents... Just like those other powers that preceded her, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.
And just as those powers in the OT were local literal empires, in the NT... In our day today... Those beasts in Revelation are global spiritual empires. Catholicism.... Atheism... Protestantism. It is simple. You just need your eyes open.
 

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:rolleyes:.......Your eschatology of when the Day of the Lord and the last trumpet occurs is all over the damn place and wholly guesswork based on bits and pieces of scripture from prophets who only knew of end times prophecy in part, that includes Jesus. Your eschatology of this big bad Antichrist is wholly guesswork. Every time I see people speak at length about this guy, referring to him as the "beast", they ALWAYS fail to mention that there are in fact two beasts, not one. My point is the events as they are described to occur in revelation are not as cut and dry, or simple as you want it to be, just because you want the whole thing to be about the RCC. I wasn't even going to bother responding to you, seeing that this is the thanks I was likely going to get from you creatures of habit. I honestly could care less about what the Jesuits believe, know very little about them. My attention is focuses on the Bible, yours seem to be elsewhere.
It is clear Dcopymope you need to get familiar with Christian history since the time of the Apostles. Your ignorance on this matter hamstrings you being evident in the judgements you make here.
With better information you mightn't judge matters you know little about so quickly.
 
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From the most popular and respected medical doctor and previous congressman and Pres. Candidate: Ron Paul....

For many millions of Christians, Easter is a time to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Others may celebrate the arrival of spring and the promise of new life. Whatever one’s beliefs, after several weeks of mandatory “stay at home” orders and the complete shutdown of the US economy over the coronavirus, this self-destructive hysteria must end and we must reclaim the freedom and liberty that has provided us so much opportunity as Americans.

To do that we should first understand that much of the hysteria is being generated by a mainstream media that has long prioritized sensationalism over investigating and reporting the truth. Government bureaucrats are also exaggerating the threat of this virus and appear to be enjoying the power and control that fearful people are willingly handing over to them. One “coronavirus” bureaucrat even told us that we can no longer go to the grocery store! So we should just starve?

It is certainly possible to believe that this virus can be dangerous while at the same time pointing out that radical steps are being taken in our society – stay-at-home orders, introduction of de facto martial law, etc. – with very little knowledge of just how deadly is this disease.


On March 24th, the CDC issued an alert stating that doctors should classify “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19” as Covid-19 deaths. Perhaps that explains the seeming drop-off of pneumonia deaths this year and the simultaneous spike in Covid-19 deaths as some researchers have reported.

The BBC reported last week that, “At present in the US, any death of a Covid-19 patient, no matter what the physician believes to be the direct cause, is counted for public reporting as a Covid-19 death.”

Does that sound like a scientifically sound way of determining how deadly Covid-19 really is?

What is most dangerous is that although this virus will eventually disappear, the assault on our civil liberties is not likely to be reversed. From this point on, whenever local officials, county officials, state governors, or federal bureaucrats decide there is sufficient reason to suspend the Constitution they will not hesitate to do so. Anyone who challenges the suspension of the Constitution “for our own good” will be labeled “unpatriotic” and perhaps even reported to the authorities. We have already seen hotlines springing up across the country for Americans to report other Americans who dare venture outside to enjoy the sun and build up their vitamin D protection against the coronavirus.

The government is justified in cancelling the Constitution, we are told, because we are in an emergency situation caused by the Covid-19 virus. But do people forget that the Constitution itself was written and adopted while we were in an “emergency situation”?

Did the framers of the Constitution fail to add an 11th Amendment to the Bill of Rights saying, “oh by the way, none of this counts if we get sick”? Of course not! Those who wrote our Constitution understood that these rights are not granted by the government, but rather by our Creator. Thus it was never a question as to when or under what conditions they could be suspended: the government had no authority to suspend them at all because it did not grant them in the first place.

Our country is far less at risk from the coronavirus than it is from the thousands of small and large authoritarians who have suddenly flexed their muscles across the country. President Trump would do well to end this ridiculous shutdown so that Americans can get on with their lives and get back to work.

Americans should remember the tyrants who locked them down next time they go to the ballot box. Let’s demand an end to the shutdown so we can resurrect our economy, our lives, and our liberties!

This article first appeared at RonPaulInstitute.org.

Good Reading!

Bless all and hope we all get to 'normal' and work ASAP!!

APAK
 

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From the most popular and respected medical doctor and previous congressman and Pres. Candidate: Ron Paul....

For many millions of Christians, Easter is a time to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Others may celebrate the arrival of spring and the promise of new life. Whatever one’s beliefs, after several weeks of mandatory “stay at home” orders and the complete shutdown of the US economy over the coronavirus, this self-destructive hysteria must end and we must reclaim the freedom and liberty that has provided us so much opportunity as Americans.

To do that we should first understand that much of the hysteria is being generated by a mainstream media that has long prioritized sensationalism over investigating and reporting the truth. Government bureaucrats are also exaggerating the threat of this virus and appear to be enjoying the power and control that fearful people are willingly handing over to them. One “coronavirus” bureaucrat even told us that we can no longer go to the grocery store! So we should just starve?

It is certainly possible to believe that this virus can be dangerous while at the same time pointing out that radical steps are being taken in our society – stay-at-home orders, introduction of de facto martial law, etc. – with very little knowledge of just how deadly is this disease.


On March 24th, the CDC issued an alert stating that doctors should classify “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19” as Covid-19 deaths. Perhaps that explains the seeming drop-off of pneumonia deaths this year and the simultaneous spike in Covid-19 deaths as some researchers have reported.

The BBC reported last week that, “At present in the US, any death of a Covid-19 patient, no matter what the physician believes to be the direct cause, is counted for public reporting as a Covid-19 death.”

Does that sound like a scientifically sound way of determining how deadly Covid-19 really is?

What is most dangerous is that although this virus will eventually disappear, the assault on our civil liberties is not likely to be reversed. From this point on, whenever local officials, county officials, state governors, or federal bureaucrats decide there is sufficient reason to suspend the Constitution they will not hesitate to do so. Anyone who challenges the suspension of the Constitution “for our own good” will be labeled “unpatriotic” and perhaps even reported to the authorities. We have already seen hotlines springing up across the country for Americans to report other Americans who dare venture outside to enjoy the sun and build up their vitamin D protection against the coronavirus.

The government is justified in cancelling the Constitution, we are told, because we are in an emergency situation caused by the Covid-19 virus. But do people forget that the Constitution itself was written and adopted while we were in an “emergency situation”?

Did the framers of the Constitution fail to add an 11th Amendment to the Bill of Rights saying, “oh by the way, none of this counts if we get sick”? Of course not! Those who wrote our Constitution understood that these rights are not granted by the government, but rather by our Creator. Thus it was never a question as to when or under what conditions they could be suspended: the government had no authority to suspend them at all because it did not grant them in the first place.

Our country is far less at risk from the coronavirus than it is from the thousands of small and large authoritarians who have suddenly flexed their muscles across the country. President Trump would do well to end this ridiculous shutdown so that Americans can get on with their lives and get back to work.

Americans should remember the tyrants who locked them down next time they go to the ballot box. Let’s demand an end to the shutdown so we can resurrect our economy, our lives, and our liberties!

This article first appeared at RonPaulInstitute.org.

Good Reading!

Bless all and hope we all get to 'normal' and work ASAP!!

APAK

Hi there
Yesterday I heard "a new one to me"...
The man was saying -
" I believe in a year maybe, that 'they' will make a mandatory inoculation again the C-19 virus (even though it is changing itself every month and wont be the same in a year) I believe that within the vaccination will be a material code so that everyone has a marker tracker. If people refuse to take the vaccination they will not be allowed to buy anything and banned from all public places.
If they keep refusing to take the vaccine they will be charged for being a liability to children and old people, therefore imprisoned and locked away.
Maybe this is "the Mark of the beast" >

How do you like them apples? What dreams are made of eh.


"When you are a Bear of Very Little brain, and you Think Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.”
~ Winnie-The- Pooh ~
 
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It is clear Dcopymope you need to get familiar with Christian history since the time of the Apostles. Your ignorance on this matter hamstrings you being evident in the judgements you make here.
With better information you mightn't judge matters you know little about so quickly.

:rolleyes:....Whenever someone doesn't believe in prophecy as YOU interpret it, the classic vapid response is "you don't know what you're talking about". Here is my suggestion to you, get familiar with the order of events as John plainly lays it out in revelation and then come talk to me about what I don't know.