Are You Free From The Law?

Paul Christensen said:

I do, and I know that Jesus took the penalty for my sin when He died on the cross, so I will have boldness in the day of judgment.

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Then put faith into action and trust in Him, thou doubting Thomas.
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Trolls on CB even say openly and DEFIANTLY the number of posts they aim at to have placed ... ABUSING SCRIPTURE, CHRISTIANITY AND CHRIST AND THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, UNSCRUPULOUSLY, CONSCIENCELESS AND SHAMELESSLY.

But worse, all on and of CB let them get away with their hypocrisy and blasphemies.

Cooper said:

Then put faith into action and trust in Him, thou doubting Thomas.
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I do have my faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. He paid my full debt of sin and I will have my case dismissed at the judgment because Jesus has paid my "fine" in full!

Did you know that Thomas was the one who said to the Resurrected Jesus, "My Lord and my God!" being the only disciple who called Jesus "my God" to His face, and then went on to have a powerful soul-winning ministry to India, and martyred there for his faith. And there is still a very strong Christian influence in the region where he had his ministry.

So, if I had been half the man Thomas was, I think I would have achieved wonderful things for the Lord! "Thou Doubting Thomas" indeed!

Paul Christensen said:

I do have my faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. He paid my full debt of sin and I will have my case dismissed at the judgment because Jesus has paid my "fine" in full!

Did you know that Thomas was the one who said to the Resurrected Jesus, "My Lord and my God!" being the only disciple who called Jesus "my God" to His face, and then went on to have a powerful soul-winning ministry to India, and martyred there for his faith. And there is still a very strong Christian influence in the region where he had his ministry.

So, if I had been half the man Thomas was, I think I would have achieved wonderful things for the Lord! "Thou Doubting Thomas" indeed!

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Good man, that is what Ilike to hear.

May the Lord bless you and keep you. Amen.
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GerhardEbersoehn said:

Trolls on CB even say openly and DEFIANTLY the number of posts they aim at to have placed ... ABUSING SCRIPTURE, CHRISTIANITY AND CHRIST AND THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, UNSCRUPULOUSLY, CONSCIENCELESS AND SHAMELESSLY.

But worse, all on and of CB let them get away with their hypocrisy and blasphemies.

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Perhaps the admins believe in free speech and allow members to speak their minds about issues, without being overbearing with strict official warnings. If they get too strict and start warning people right, left and centre, then people would become too afraid to speak freely for fear of being warned if they step on the toes of others too hard, or prick their consciences too much!

Paul Christensen said:

Perhaps the admins believe in free speech and allow members to speak their minds about issues, without being overbearing with strict official warnings. If they get too strict and start warning people right, left and centre, then people would become too afraid to speak freely for fear of being warned if they step on the toes of others too hard, or prick their consciences too much!

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I get your message loud and clear.

Yes, I have a guilty conscience and candidly admit I'm the committer of every sin there is. But that is not the reason I say, see what I mean!

Paul Christensen said:

Perhaps the admins believe in free speech and allow members to speak their minds about issues, without being overbearing with strict official warnings. If they get too strict and start warning people right, left and centre, then people would become too afraid to speak freely for fear of being warned if they step on the toes of others too hard, or prick their consciences too much!

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I have to admit, I get quite upset by the Jewish Proselytizers.
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Cooper said:

have to admit, I get quite upset by the Jewish Proselytizers.

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You're a troll

Cooper said:

I have to admit, I get quite upset by the Jewish Proselytizers.
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I think there are some who don't have a full understanding of why the gospel is such good news.

We were once both sinful trolls but now we are cleansed, washed in the blood of Jesus!!!

Paul Christensen said:

I think there are some who don't have a full understanding of why the gospel is such good news.

We were once both sinful trolls but now we are cleansed, washed in the blood of Jesus!!!

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Love it. Must say, I have never been a troll.

Elihoenai said:

Romans 9:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


Because certain of Israel were disobedient does not make the Law of Elohim/God (Law of Moses) of none effect. In the Wilderness all were disobedient concerning the Law apart from Joshua, Caleb and the young children with them. You must be Joshua and Caleb!

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The Law is not the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant was how man made a covenant with God and "if" he would obey his
commandments (Laws). God would make them a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19:5-6). We all know how
that came out. Man is incapable of keeping the Law of God within himself.

That's why God made a New Covenant and a new way to make sure man could be saved (Jer. 31:31-34). Instead of us being
responsible for keeping the Law, the New Covenant makes God responsible for us keeping the Law.

So it is not the Law that is bad, but it is mankind that can't keep the Law under the Old Covenant. Notice what Jeremiah said.

33 I will put my Laws in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;

The New Covenant is based upon what God is going to do, because He will not fail. Man will fail (Old Covenant), but God will
not fail! The question is, do we believe that God is able to write the Laws in our hearts and minds. If so, by faith we can begin
to grow in grace and in the knowledge of Jesus Christ. We can become kings and priest in the ages to come (Rev. 19:5-6), and
be a part of growing the Kingdom of God that is coming upon this earth.

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

Davy said:

Paul's idea wasn't really about being a spiritual Jew, but about the concept of 'spiritual Israel', as he showed in Romans 9:6-8. The name 'Israel' is the actual Salvation name to represent God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ.

Right after God blessed Jacob and gave him the new name Israel, he setup a pillar stone and anointed it, and called it Beth-El which means House of God. God's promise to him involve Jacob's seed becoming a nation and "a company of nations". That's about The Gospel of Jesus Christ. So no way... is the name Jew going to climb in ascendancy over that name Israel.

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No doubt about, but in order to be an Israelite you must become a Judahite first. Judah means praise and we must learn
how to praise the Lord Jesus or the stones will surely cry out. Judah represents the continuation of the church after Jesus
came and died. When we believe in the Son of God, we become a spiritual Jew or Judahite. From there we progress into
the kingdom by wrestling with our angel, so God will change our name (nature) into Israel, which means "God rules". It is
when we understand that God is sovereign and He controls all things. Jacob means (deceiver, heal catcher) and when he
saw God face to face, he recognized it was Him that he had been wrestling with all of his life.

We become a spiritual Israelite when we come to the end of ourselves and recognize that God has complete control over
all things in our lives.

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

Cooper said:

Love it. Must say, I have never been a troll.

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Here is the story of a Christian pastor who was arrested by the Communists and interrogated. They accused him of fornication, adultery with his parishoners, theft, everything but the kitchen sink. Their purpose was to break him and shut him up through self-condemnation. But he knew that he was a sinner but Jesus had taken his penalty on the cross. So he agreed with every accusation they threw at him, acknowledging that he was a sinner. They couldn't break him so they had to let him go. If he had come into the faith without knowing that he will be judged guilty at the judgment for breaking the Ten Commandment, he had no problem in telling his Communist interrogators that he was guilty of everything they accused him of. What they didn't know was that he also knew that Jesus had died on the cross and taken upon Himself the penalty for his sinfulness and so at the judgment his case will be dismissed. So the Communists could accuse him of everything they liked, and it would not have affected his faith in Christ one bit!

So, this is why I can plead guilty to being a troll, ignorant, blind, friend of Satan to anyone on this forum who wants to accuse me, because Jesus has paid my "fine" in full and therefore when I come to judgment God's case against me for breaking the Ten Commandments will be dismissed.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Trolls on CB even say openly and DEFIANTLY the number of posts they aim at to have placed ... ABUSING SCRIPTURE, CHRISTIANITY AND CHRIST AND THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, UNSCRUPULOUSLY, CONSCIENCELESS AND SHAMELESSLY.

But worse, all on and of CB let them get away with their hypocrisy and blasphemies.

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They let you so why shouldnt they let any one else.??

Paul Christensen said:

Here is the story of a Christian pastor who was arrested by the Communists and interrogated. They accused him of fornication, adultery with his parishoners, theft, everything but the kitchen sink. Their purpose was to break him and shut him up through self-condemnation. But he knew that he was a sinner but Jesus had taken his penalty on the cross. So he agreed with every accusation they threw at him, acknowledging that he was a sinner. They couldn't break him so they had to let him go. If he had come into the faith without knowing that he will be judged guilty at the judgment for breaking the Ten Commandment, he had no problem in telling his Communist interrogators that he was guilty of everything they accused him of. What they didn't know was that he also knew that Jesus had died on the cross and taken upon Himself the penalty for his sinfulness and so at the judgment his case will be dismissed. So the Communists could accuse him of everything they liked, and it would not have affected his faith in Christ one bit!

So, this is why I can plead guilty to being a troll, ignorant, blind, friend of Satan to anyone on this forum who wants to accuse me, because Jesus has paid my "fine" in full and therefore when I come to judgment God's case against me for breaking the Ten Commandments will be dismissed.

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That is a nice story, it has the ring of truth, and you make a good point, but I know Christians on the Grace forums who say that because they are saved eternally they can do as they like and they will be forgiven. Personally I feel that is bad theology and if they have been given a new heart on which the laws of God have been written, I would expect to see a change in their behaviour, not because they feel they have to change, but because the thought of returning to their old ways repels them. What do you think?
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Cooper said:

That is a nice story, it has the ring of truth, and you make a good point, but I know Christians on the Grace forums who say that because they are saved eternally they can do as they like and they will be forgiven. Personally I feel that is bad theology and if they have been given a new heart, I would expect to see a change in their behaviour, not because they feel they have to change, but because the thought of returning to their old ways repels them. What do you think?
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There are those who say that James supports faith plus works for salvation. That is not what the Holy Spirit through Paul teaches in that He says, "By grace are we saved through faith, not of ourselves, but it is the gift of God, not of works lest any should boast. He is quite clear, and because the Holy Spirit doesn't contradict Himself, He does not say any different through James.

While Paul says that salvation comes by grace through faith, James says that works demonstrate a person is already genuinely converted to Christ. This is because part of a genuine conversion, one must repent and forsake sinful behaviour and habit patterns. When a person demonstrates a transformed heart that hates sin and loves holiness, he is demonstrating true faith in Christ.

But what those who misinterpret James say, is that a person has to add good works to faith in order to be saved. But Paul says that is a person is to be saved through works, he has to do the works perfectly without a single fault from his youth onwards. So, if a person comes to Christ in his adulthood, after engaging in sinful practices, his faith alone in Christ erases those past sins. But if he is depending on good works, then those past sins are still on the books.

It is the same as a person who has raped three women and cut their throats 10 years before he had reformed his life, and then was arrested and came before the judge. If he says, "Yes, I raped those women and killed them three years ago, but I have reformed and I no longer rape women." The judge will say, "You are not before me for your good deeds. You are here to be sentenced for raping those women 10 years ago, so you will have to go to the electric chair."

But if a person from his youth was a lying, thieving, blaspheming, adulterer at heart, and comes to Christ by grace through faith alone in Him, will have all his past wiped out, and will repent and forsake those sins. But if he depends on good works as well as faith, God will still see him according to those sins in the same way as the judge sees the person is still a convicted rapist regardless of the good works he does afterward.

So a person who depends on his good works for salvation will be judged on his failure to keep the Ten Commandment perfectly from his youth up. And there will be no avoiding a guilty judgment and the subsequent penalty.

But when a person is depending on Christ's finished work through faith, he will still be found guilty at the judgment, but his debt of sin will be paid by Jesus and God's case against him will be dismissed and he will go free.

So, James teaches that the evidence that the person is forsaking his sinful acts and habit patterns, shows a genuine faith in Christ.