Are You Free From The Law?

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Well tell that to the milions of people who where murdered women children men, christian jew, by the catholic church
Millions were murdered by the Catholic Church? Says who? You’re an gullible, anti-Catholic bigot who’ll swallow any lie told about the CC, no questions asked.

Which Catholic law says murder is allowed?

Unlike you, the Catholic Church doesn’t teach the idiotic and salvation-destroying doctrine that believers can sin all they like and still be saved.
you would rather believe the lie even with all the evidence
I’m don’t deny that certain Catholic have let Christ down badly and have not behaved according to their calling, thus giving His Church a bad name in the eyes to some. All that proves is that Catholics, like all Christians, are sinners. Their sins don’t prove the Catholic Church is not the one, true Church.
i guess we can see why Jesus has so few "His people" many wont come out of Her.
That would be because most Catholics aren’t so stupid and gullible and easily misled as those who do leave for the fake churches. They don’t follow the voice of a stranger.
 

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There are those who say that James supports faith plus works for salvation. That is not what the Holy Spirit through Paul teaches in that He says, "By grace are we saved through faith, not of ourselves, but it is the gift of God, not of works lest any should boast. He is quite clear, and because the Holy Spirit doesn't contradict Himself, He does not say any different through James.

While Paul says that salvation comes by grace through faith, James says that works demonstrate a person is already genuinely converted to Christ. This is because part of a genuine conversion, one must repent and forsake sinful behaviour and habit patterns. When a person demonstrates a transformed heart that hates sin and loves holiness, he is demonstrating true faith in Christ.

But what those who misinterpret James say, is that a person has to add good works to faith in order to be saved. But Paul says that is a person is to be saved through works, he has to do the works perfectly without a single fault from his youth onwards. So, if a person comes to Christ in his adulthood, after engaging in sinful practices, his faith alone in Christ erases those past sins. But if he is depending on good works, then those past sins are still on the books.

It is the same as a person who has raped three women and cut their throats 10 years before he had reformed his life, and then was arrested and came before the judge. If he says, "Yes, I raped those women and killed them three years ago, but I have reformed and I no longer rape women." The judge will say, "You are not before me for your good deeds. You are here to be sentenced for raping those women 10 years ago, so you will have to go to the electric chair."

But if a person from his youth was a lying, thieving, blaspheming, adulterer at heart, and comes to Christ by grace through faith alone in Him, will have all his past wiped out, and will repent and forsake those sins. But if he depends on good works as well as faith, God will still see him according to those sins in the same way as the judge sees the person is still a convicted rapist regardless of the good works he does afterward.

So a person who depends on his good works for salvation will be judged on his failure to keep the Ten Commandment perfectly from his youth up. And there will be no avoiding a guilty judgment and the subsequent penalty.

But when a person is depending on Christ's finished work through faith, he will still be found guilty at the judgment, but his debt of sin will be paid by Jesus and God's case against him will be dismissed and he will go free.

So, James teaches that the evidence that the person is forsaking his sinful acts and habit patterns, shows a genuine faith in Christ.
You are right. Good works are the evidence of our saving faith.

We are saved by faith and works follow as a result. :)

Those on the Grace forums who say they can live a licentious life and still be saved are plain wrong. I doubt if they were ever saved, or even "one of us."
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Millions were murdered by the Catholic Church? Says who? You’re an gullible, anti-Catholic bigot who’ll swallow any lie told about the CC, no questions asked.

Which Catholic law says murder is allowed?

Unlike you, the Catholic Church doesn’t teach the idiotic and salvation-destroying doctrine that believers can sin all they like and still be saved.I’m don’t deny that certain Catholic have let Christ down badly and have not behaved according to their calling, thus giving His Church a bad name in the eyes to some. All that proves is that Catholics, like all Christians, are sinners. Their sins don’t prove the Catholic Church is not the one, true Church.That would be because most Catholics aren’t so stupid and gullible and easily misled as those who do leave for the fake churches. They don’t follow the voice of a stranger.
Except Catholics believe they can confess their sins to a priest, and be forgiven, hence all the shootings in Belfast.

We shall know a true Christian by their GOOD works.
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Millions were murdered by the Catholic Church? Says who? You’re an gullible, anti-Catholic bigot who’ll swallow any lie told about the CC, no questions asked.

Which Catholic law says murder is allowed?

Unlike you, the Catholic Church doesn’t teach the idiotic and salvation-destroying doctrine that believers can sin all they like and still be saved.I’m don’t deny that certain Catholic have let Christ down badly and have not behaved according to their calling, thus giving His Church a bad name in the eyes to some. All that proves is that Catholics, like all Christians, are sinners. Their sins don’t prove the Catholic Church is not the one, true Church.That would be because most Catholics aren’t so stupid and gullible and easily misled as those who do leave for the fake churches. They don’t follow the voice of a stranger.
Well gullibilty seems to be shown by those who gather in the greatest numbers. But since you came here and the truth has being shown to you, you are now as it is put, without excuse, why we know your religion is not from God, put it simply it promotes itself just as you are doing,

you know this bit

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

but if you choose to remain in her when the calamties come you will be on your own. Teh only way to salvation is Christ not your religion or anyone elses.
 

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You are right. Good works are the evidence of our saving faith.

We are saved by faith and works follow as a result. :)

Those on the Grace forums who say they can live a licentious life and still be saved are plain wrong. I doubt if they were ever saved, or even "one of us."
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Correct. They are more than just wrong. They are hypocrites.
 

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Is that so? They can live and still be saved as long as they don't keep the Fourth Commandment Sabbath Day. That's what they actually, mean! And you, as well?
Joh_9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So Jesus is going to hell because HE didnt keep the sabbath, according to teh Pharisees.
 

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Works don't <follow as a result>; that is cheap Arminianism. The fruit of repentance and the Holy Spirit follow inevitably because God Almighty "ORDAINED" Period.
this is not true, It is not cheap anything, it is a basis of fact

True living faith produces works, Heb 11 proves this.

You do not have faith in someone, yet continually show a lack of faith in that person by NEVER doing anything they ask or request.

Saying there is a possibility of faith void of works just proves a lack of knowledge of what true living faith is.
 

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Unlike you, the Catholic Church doesn’t teach the idiotic and salvation-destroying doctrine that believers can sin all they like and still be saved.

says the person that can go out and get drunk all they want, sleep around all they want, and all you have to do is a sacrament or two and your ok..(Yeah, I have met many a catholic, and even dated a few, so do not even try to deny it)
 

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Joh_9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So Jesus is going to hell because HE didnt keep the sabbath, according to teh Pharisees.
That means we all go to Hell. Because jesus did not fulfill the law as he claimed, and his sacrifice was nullified, because he could only pay for his sin.
 

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Joh_9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So Jesus is going to hell because HE didnt keep the sabbath, according to teh Pharisees.

You're a troll, see?