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BreadOfLife

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What you should be worrying about is not your snide little remarks but the fact that the catholic church is a criminal organisation hiding child-molesting priests not to mention Pope Alexander VI fathering a daughter, Lucrezia Borgia. Now that is what you should be talking about and be ashamed off, Despite fathering a child the said Pope wasn't sacked like he should have been. There is a word for people like that and it is hypocrites.
Why should I be worried about the sins of another person??
That's between THEM and God.

Are YOU worried about the sins of YOUR Protestant leaders??
Maybe you should be . . .
Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson

Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis : NPR

Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’

Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy

Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy
 

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So 2.6 million Christian worldwide know that do they? How do you know that? Have you surveyed them and asked them what they know. if you haven't then you have proved yourself to be a liar and a specialist in red herrings.
Ummmm, first of all - there are WAY more than 2.6 million Christians in the world.

Besides - I wasn't speaking for Christians.
I was making a logical statement about education.

Pay attention . . .
 

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it is not possible to prove you wrong because you believe you are always right and everyone else is wrong. you have pat answers for everything so your mind is a closed door.
Not at all.
I simply don't post things without doing my homework - like so many of the angry anti-Catholics here do.
 

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Not at all.
I simply don't post things without doing my homework - like so many of the angry anti-Catholics here do.
You obviously dont do any homework, or only read what you "want" to believe, because you are still promoting a lie, and the"angry" word you reply with will prove my words.
 

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You obviously dont do any homework, or only read what you "want" to believe, because you are still promoting a lie, and the"angry" word you reply with will prove my words.

I'd be mad too, furious, whether or not it would help anything,
if someone gave me an idolatrous name - blasphemous - and told me it was "okay - don't worry about it".....

And even more furious, not that it would change the past, or the future,

that I was called by that blasphemous name for so many years without realizing other people KNEW IT WAS blasphemous and they did not warn me ! (instead, tricked by the church , by everyone in it, to really believe it was something to be proud of - !!)

Such complete deception by my own people, family, neighbors, and all the church! I WOULD BE ,.... ugh.... unspeakably mad....
 

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The innocent, or naive, might not recognize when they see it, that anyone called anything like mother of god , is in serious depression or deception, or both, like mother theresa lived in and with daily (massive depression, she said, and totally deceived every day, clearly) ...
 

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You obviously dont do any homework, or only read what you "want" to believe, because you are still promoting a lie, and the"angry" word you reply with will prove my words.
Well, I've challenged ALL anti-Catholics here to produce just ONE lie that I've told - and you've ALL failed . . .
 

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I'd be mad too, furious, whether or not it would help anything,
if someone gave me an idolatrous name - blasphemous - and told me it was "okay - don't worry about it".....

And even more furious, not that it would change the past, or the future,

that I was called by that blasphemous name for so many years without realizing other people KNEW IT WAS blasphemous and they did not warn me ! (instead, tricked by the church , by everyone in it, to really believe it was something to be proud of - !!)

Such complete deception by my own people, family, neighbors, and all the church! I WOULD BE ,.... ugh.... unspeakably mad....
The innocent, or naive, might not recognize when they see it, that anyone called anything like mother of god , is in serious depression or deception, or both, like mother theresa lived in and with daily (massive depression, she said, and totally deceived every day, clearly) ...
Wow - TWO consecutive posts of unsolicited gibberish.
That's gotta be a record . . .:rolleyes:
 

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Well, I've challenged ALL anti-Catholics here to produce just ONE lie that I've told - and you've ALL failed . . .
The only thing we have failed at was convincing you of the truth, which by all means Christ has failed too, if He could. But it is written,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

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Hi Joseph

When Jesus said This IS my body/blood he was also teaching a false gospel from Rome?

Joseph: Is not the bread YOU eat and the wine YOU drink a participation in the body of Christ?

curious Mary
I have distanced myself from the debate about the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist because Jesus did say that we need to eat His body and drink His blood, so I am not treating transubstantiation as something that would keep a person out of the kingdom of God. I did say that Queen Mary of England has condemned herself for murdering 280 Christians who refused to accept the doctrine, and I think that the bishop at the time who threw a new born baby into the flames which were burning its mother will be condemned at the day of judgment. But these were the hypocritical and evil acts of individuals for which God will judge them as individuals and not Catholics - because at the judgment, there will be no more Catholics or Protestants but individuals answerable to God for what they have done in their lives.

So, if believers want to believe that they are actually eating the body of Christ and drinking His blood, then I think they should be left alone to practice their faith in their own way. After all, there are none of the Ten Commandments which are violated.

But as you know, worship of statues, especially of Mary, is a definite violation of the 2nd Commandment which rules against making an image of any kind and of anything, including God, Christ, a Saint, or Mary, and bowing down to it.

But then, I watched a movie about a military psychiatrist "praying" to Freud for advice about what to do in a particular situation. I see that as the same as a person praying to Mary, who is just as dead in the grave as Freud is (he said, putting his British steel helmet on in expectation of the flak to come. and saying, "For what I am about to receive, make me truly thankful!" :) ).
 

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Not at all.
I simply don't post things without doing my homework - like so many of the angry anti-Catholics here do.

You have just proved what I said. There are no angry anti-Catholics here. Just people who are not blinded to reality. Like all the priests who are molesting boys.
 

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Ummmm, first of all - there are WAY more than 2.6 million Christians in the world.

Besides - I wasn't speaking for Christians.
I was making a logical statement about education.

Pay attention . . .

We ALL know that this is false. That is what you said. We ALL and in my dictionary all MEANS ALL, not some subset of ALL.
 

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Good point. I don’t know what books you have read. I assumed you read the only ones available....at least the ones that I am aware of.

I have read The Didache, Ignatius, Justin Martyr and Irenaeus on the matter at hand (The Real Presence). They all supported it.

What “books” or writings from the 1st or 2nd century did I miss that you read?

Willing to learn....Mary

I have yet to find a radical catholic that is willing to learn. So you have read four books and I have read 60 plus. Nuf said.
 

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Typical catholic response. I don't have to worry about Catholics that are guilty because the evangelicals are guilty as well. In other words, two wrongs make a right. it seems to me that every time you open your mouth you put your foot in it.
 

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"Stop me if you've heard this before: A deeply religious man, beloved by his church/community, targets and grooms a young child for sexual abuse. The child tells an adult and they report it to the elders of the church. The church investigates the abuse and then sweeps it all under the rug. The deeply religious man is never reported to the police, the victim is blamed for seducing the man, and the man goes on to molest many other children, leaving a trail of scarred families in his wake."

That is a perfect description of the catholic church and catholic priests. How many did that priest in Ballarat molest? Was it 76?

The fact is you don't solve the problem of clergy abuse in the catholic church by pointing your finger at another church and that is the truth.

And it shows us what a sick man you are in trying to do that. In other words, you are as guilty as the priests that molested the boys because, in fact, you are making excuses for them by saying we will worry about clergy abuse in the catholic church when you have cleaned up your own back yard.

Sorry to say, but we don't put justice on hold for one group of victims until we have solved another crime.
 

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Paul took it literally

So did the 1st century Christians according to first century writings sooooo I don’t think you read the right 60 books.....;) Or you are lying to me
To do a PhD one has to read every book and every published article, and unpublished articles if they are available, written by all Catholic and Protestant authors. It can take up to 5 years or more to successfully complete a PhD because the bulk of the time is in locating, reading, and compiling research notes, mapping out the first draft of the thesis. One has to examine the topic from all the different points of view, do a survey of the literature, making sure that any conclusions have not been made in any other PhD on the same topic, because then the conclusions reached would not be new, and the thesis could be downgraded to a Masters. So, this means that every other PhD thesis on the topic must be read carefully as part of the literature survey to ensure that the premise for the PhD is totally new. This is very difficult for a person doing a PhD in theology, because most ideas have already been raked over in previous ones. Therefore, because the conferring of a PhD by a institution worth anything, is saying that the person is a world expert on the topic, having an intimate knowledge of what every other person has written on it, and has come up with a complete new and justifiable premise that adds valuable knowledge and insight into the theological knowledge of the academic Christian community.

Also, evaluation of a PhD thesis is made by a team of academics who have PhDs in theology themselves and are world experts in their own area of research. Then, their evaluation is submitted to a "sister" institution for moderation by another team of PhD experts to ensure that the first team have done their evaluation correctly.

What this happens in practice in New Zealand, is that a PhD submitted at Otago University in Dunedin, is evaluated, and then sent to Auckland University for moderation. If both university teams agree that this is a thesis that can have a PhD awarded, then the person can have the confidence that their PhD is sound and that they are a recognised world expert in their area of expertise.

There are people who have completed PhDs in Biblical archaeology, for example, who have had to actually travel to the Middle East to visit the ruins for themselves, plus all the museums, and then have their PhD, although studied at Auckland University for example, moderated through a university like Oxford or Cambridge to really make sure that their PhD is world standard.

So, I have the greatest respect for anyone who is doing or has completed a PhD. For me it is like climbing Mount Everest, where it is the tough who start it, and the fittest survive to the end.

Now that I know that my friend is in the process of doing a PhD, I would be very reluctant to dismiss his posts without carefully considering them in the light of Scripture.
 

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To do a PhD one has to read every book and every published article, and unpublished articles if they are available, written by all Catholic and Protestant authors. It can take up to 5 years or more to successfully complete a PhD because the bulk of the time is in locating, reading, and compiling research notes, mapping out the first draft of the thesis. One has to examine the topic from all the different points of view, do a survey of the literature, making sure that any conclusions have not been made in any other PhD on the same topic, because then the conclusions reached would not be new, and the thesis could be downgraded to a Masters. So, this means that every other PhD thesis on the topic must be read carefully as part of the literature survey to ensure that the premise for the PhD is totally new. This is very difficult for a person doing a PhD in theology, because most ideas have already been raked over in previous ones. Therefore, because the conferring of a PhD by a institution worth anything, is saying that the person is a world expert on the topic, having an intimate knowledge of what every other person has written on it, and has come up with a complete new and justifiable premise that adds valuable knowledge and insight into the theological knowledge of the academic Christian community.

Also, evaluation of a PhD thesis is made by a team of academics who have PhDs in theology themselves and are world experts in their own area of research. Then, their evaluation is submitted to a "sister" institution for moderation by another team of PhD experts to ensure that the first team have done their evaluation correctly.

What this happens in practice in New Zealand, is that a PhD submitted at Otago University in Dunedin, is evaluated, and then sent to Auckland University for moderation. If both university teams agree that this is a thesis that can have a PhD awarded, then the person can have the confidence that their PhD is sound and that they are a recognised world expert in their area of expertise.

There are people who have completed PhDs in Biblical archaeology, for example, who have had to actually travel to the Middle East to visit the ruins for themselves, plus all the museums, and then have their PhD, although studied at Auckland University for example, moderated through a university like Oxford or Cambridge to really make sure that their PhD is world standard.

So, I have the greatest respect for anyone who is doing or has completed a PhD. For me it is like climbing Mount Everest, where it is the tough who start it, and the fittest survive to the end.

Now that I know that my friend is in the process of doing a PhD, I would be very reluctant to dismiss his posts without carefully considering them in the light of Scripture.

Wow!! I am so impressed. I don't think I could have improved on that.
 

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To do a PhD one has to read every book and every published article, and unpublished articles if they are available, written by all Catholic and Protestant authors. It can take up to 5 years or more to successfully complete a PhD because the bulk of the time is in locating, reading, and compiling research notes, mapping out the first draft of the thesis. One has to examine the topic from all the different points of view, do a survey of the literature, making sure that any conclusions have not been made in any other PhD on the same topic, because then the conclusions reached would not be new, and the thesis could be downgraded to a Masters. So, this means that every other PhD thesis on the topic must be read carefully as part of the literature survey to ensure that the premise for the PhD is totally new. This is very difficult for a person doing a PhD in theology, because most ideas have already been raked over in previous ones. Therefore, because the conferring of a PhD by a institution worth anything, is saying that the person is a world expert on the topic, having an intimate knowledge of what every other person has written on it, and has come up with a complete new and justifiable premise that adds valuable knowledge and insight into the theological knowledge of the academic Christian community.

Also, evaluation of a PhD thesis is made by a team of academics who have PhDs in theology themselves and are world experts in their own area of research. Then, their evaluation is submitted to a "sister" institution for moderation by another team of PhD experts to ensure that the first team have done their evaluation correctly.

What this happens in practice in New Zealand, is that a PhD submitted at Otago University in Dunedin, is evaluated, and then sent to Auckland University for moderation. If both university teams agree that this is a thesis that can have a PhD awarded, then the person can have the confidence that their PhD is sound and that they are a recognised world expert in their area of expertise.

There are people who have completed PhDs in Biblical archaeology, for example, who have had to actually travel to the Middle East to visit the ruins for themselves, plus all the museums, and then have their PhD, although studied at Auckland University for example, moderated through a university like Oxford or Cambridge to really make sure that their PhD is world standard.

So, I have the greatest respect for anyone who is doing or has completed a PhD. For me it is like climbing Mount Everest, where it is the tough who start it, and the fittest survive to the end.

Now that I know that my friend is in the process of doing a PhD, I would be very reluctant to dismiss his posts without carefully considering them in the light of Scripture.
Ye can do all that, and not know Christ. Sad isnt it. Just look at Saul.
 
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