SONS OF GOD, WHO ARE THEY?

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Chapter two is a recap of chapter one, but showing exactly how Adam was created. And then Eve.

Disagree,look at the order.Also Adam and Eve were not told to be fruitful and multiply,heck they didn't know they were naked until satan had sex with Eve.

Also in chapter one, male and female were created at the same time.

What makes you think it was a recap,and why would it be.
 

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Noah had 2 of every kind on the ark including the races

What animals were the races?
Disagree,look at the order.Also Adam and Eve were not told to be fruitful and multiply,heck they didn't know they were naked until satan had sex with Eve.

Also in chapter one, male and female were created at the same time.

What makes you think it was a recap,and why would it be.

Satan did not have sex with Eve.
 
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Women are humans too. BTW, Job was not Nephilim in case you thought he was.
Job 1:3 is talking about Job and his wealth. What does that have to do with son of God?
thanks for the reply,
we see you didn't look up the word "Men in Job 1:3 did you?.
listen "men" in Job 1:3 is the hebrew word
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]

בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).

IT'S THE SAME WORD USED IN GENESIS 6:4 FOR THE SONS OF GOD THERE. (BINGO).

UNDERSTAND NOW?.

PICJAG.
 
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What animals were the races?
They were not then, but are now, those feeble minded men "racing" to propagate false stories , self-deceived? , or deceived by others....
thinking
that some things do not reproduce as God says they do, but that they are even capable of doing what God says they don't do.
i.e. claiming an elephant can reproduce with a hummingbird,
or an angel can reproduce with a human,
or a whale can reproduce with a mouse.
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QUOTE="101G, post: 720676, member: 5023"]thanks for the reply,
we see you didn't look up the word "Men in Job 1:3 did you?.
listen "men" in Job 1:3 is the hebrew word
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]

בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).

IT'S THE SAME WORD USED IN GENESIS 6:4 FOR THE SONS OF GOD THERE. (BINGO).

UNDERSTAND NOW?.

PICJAG.[/QUOTE
 

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thanks for the reply,
we see you didn't look up the word "Men in Job 1:3 did you?.
listen "men" in Job 1:3 is the hebrew word
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]

בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).

IT'S THE SAME WORD USED IN GENESIS 6:4 FOR THE SONS OF GOD THERE. (BINGO).

UNDERSTAND NOW?.

PICJAG.

I know what you are saying, and verse 3 is a human man. And he had sons. But I'm looking at the context. We are talking about verse 6 when all the angels, including the fallen ones with Satan presented themselves before God.
 

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I know what you are saying, and verse 3 is a human man. And he had sons. But I'm looking at the context. We are talking about verse 6 when all the angels, including the fallen ones with Satan presented themselves before God.
(confirmed) (positively)

So, then, you mean that "CONTEXT" makes a difference.

Yes, (obviously), but often (context) not recognized. (sometimes even by me - so I have to keep seeking what is being said, digging, searching, always seeking the truth)
 

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Disagree,look at the order.Also Adam and Eve were not told to be fruitful and multiply,heck they didn't know they were naked until satan had sex with Eve.

Also in chapter one, male and female were created at the same time.

What makes you think it was a recap,and why would it be.
Angels are not sexual beings. They do not re-produce and they are not a "Race", but individual creations. Having some imaginary rape of Eve would have no more effect than a dog mating with a cat. Such a suggestion is utter nonsense.
 
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Angels are not sexual beings. They do not re-produce and they are not a "Race", but individual creations. Having some imaginary rape of Eve would have no more effect than a dog mating with a cat. Such a suggestion is utter nonsense.
Amen,
but tradition over-rides God's Word in most people today. That's why the unbelievable errors continue, even when they destroy billions of souls.
 
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Angels are not sexual beings. They do not re-produce

You didn't say, (at least I didn't see it) who are the sons of God in Genesis 6?

The way I have to understand angels in light of Genesis 6 and Jude 1, it may not be that they cannot reproduce, but that they won't in obedience to God. Just as humans can reproduce, but won't in heaven.

Here are twice in the Bible where there is a meeting before God of both angels and fallen angels. It shows that sons of God and the host of heaven, and ministering spirits are all the same - angels.

1 Kings 22:
19 Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.”

Job 1:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”

So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”

9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”

12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.

So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
 

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I know what you are saying, and verse 3 is a human man. And he had sons. But I'm looking at the context. We are talking about verse 6 when all the angels, including the fallen ones with Satan presented themselves before God.
"this man", verse 3 is spealikg of Job and his friends of the east. and verse 6 is not, repeate is not speaking of angles. I have already address this before. there are no angels that are "sons of God".

PICJAG.
 

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"this man", verse 3 is spealikg of Job and his friends of the east. and verse 6 is not, repeate is not speaking of angles. I have already address this before. there are no angels that are "sons of God".

PICJAG.

That is your opinion, but I've already shown in my last post (not to you) that in Scripture there are meetings in heaven with God, and they are with angels, and not just the good angels but with all angels, good and bad.

It appears you are saying that Job was a son of God in heaven?
 
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You didn't say, (at least I didn't see it) who are the sons of God in Genesis 6?

I didn't state anything as to who these people were. The question I would ask is; What do we get from the results of arriving at Angels? Would the outcome of saying that the "Sons of God' in this passage were angels really matter? I do not know of any practical purpose or doctrine that would enhance my walk with God based upon it. On the other hand, it is consistent and clear in Scripture that God prohibits His people from marrying those who are not the people of God. The subject of the chapter is the Judgement of God.

Was God punishing people, or angels in the Flood?
Admittedly, the remaining three uses of "Sons of God" in the Old Testament appears to refer to spiritual beings, most likely "angels." It seems reasonable to dwell on the fact that the purpose of mentioning this passage in Genesis 6 is God's declaration or justification of judgement (context). This is what we should get from it more than developing an extravagant Angelology.

Historically, Biblically and logically, the "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 are unlikely to refer to angels. Many in the Church have said that the "Sons of God" in this instance refers to those in the spiritual line of Seth (Chrysostom, Augustine, Luther, Calvin), without defying the natural law of species and the fact that nowhere in all of Scripture is their any suggest that Angels can procreate.
Jesus said, "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Matt. 22:30.
 

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Was God punishing people, or angels in the Flood?

? hmmmmm......... maybe the people got their first, and last, swimming lesson ?

The angels - did they swim and get their first lesson also ? , or walk on water/ fly thru the air..... ?

:)
 

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I didn't state anything as to who these people were. The question I would ask is; What do we get from the results of arriving at Angels? Would the outcome of saying that the "Sons of God' in this passage were angels really matter? I do not know of any practical purpose or doctrine that would enhance my walk with God based upon it. On the other hand, it is consistent and clear in Scripture that God prohibits His people from marrying those who are not the people of God. The subject of the chapter is the Judgement of God.

Was God punishing people, or angels in the Flood?
Admittedly, the remaining three uses of "Sons of God" in the Old Testament appears to refer to spiritual beings, most likely "angels." It seems reasonable to dwell on the fact that the purpose of mentioning this passage in Genesis 6 is God's declaration or justification of judgement (context). This is what we should get from it more than developing an extravagant Angelology.

Historically, Biblically and logically, the "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 are unlikely to refer to angels. Many in the Church have said that the "Sons of God" in this instance refers to those in the spiritual line of Seth (Chrysostom, Augustine, Luther, Calvin), without defying the natural law of species and the fact that nowhere in all of Scripture is their any suggest that Angels can procreate.
Jesus said, "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Matt. 22:30.


For me, it helps to know that God loves mankind, and would never, other than for a very good reason, destroy them. And afterwards, again God wanted some nations destroyed, including every man, woman and child. That is the God I know.
 

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That is your opinion, but I've already shown in my last post (not to you) that in Scripture there are meetings in heaven with God, and they are with angels, and not just the good angels but with all angels, good and bad.

It appears you are saying that Job was a son of God in heaven?
NO, Job was a son of God on Earth. Look appearing is nothing new in the bible, listen. Deuteronomy 31:11 "When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing". or this, Exodus 34:22 "And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.Exodus 34:23 "Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.or this, listen really good, Joshua 24:1 "And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers; and they presented themselves before God". was any of these incidents in Heaven? ... well, no, of couese not, it was here on earth.

so your argument is muite.

PICJAG.
 
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There is no evidence anywhere that angels took and married or kept woman as wives on earth.

Agree. Especially in the context promoted here. But just for conversation and to get your input Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Who are the they in “they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men” ?
 

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Daniel 2:45-49 New International Version (NIV)

45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.

“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy.”

46 Then King Nebuchadnezzar fell prostrate before Daniel and paid him honor and ordered that an offering and incense be presented to him. 47 The king said to Daniel, “Surely your God is the God of gods and the Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, for you were able to reveal this mystery.”

48 Then the king placed Daniel in a high position and lavished many gifts on him. He made him ruler over the entire province of Babylon and placed him in charge of all its wise men. 49 Moreover, at Daniel’s request the king appointed Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego administrators over the province of Babylon, while Daniel himself remained at the royal court.

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