Bible verses most Christians refuse to believe

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mjrhealth

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Do you understand what I'm asking?

Do you believe the true Christian never sins?
you know you wont get an honest answer, one who says they do not sin is a liar, people love using the bible to glorify themselves, Jesus did away with the "consequence" of sin so that we could have life in Him, and because of what He has done, we can stand before God, covered in His righteousness, even win this horrible flesh, because in Him all God sees is His son.
 

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This is a *no-win* thread. Best to let it die a quick death. I don't believe you have ever twisted Scripture.

Enoch, there is a huge segment of the church who have never studied the verses in post #1, because they don't read their Bible, and the teachers they have chosen don't believe them to teach them. It goes against their life experience. Romans 7 is more their experience and teach that is Paul as a Christian, instead of the next chapter where he is free from that struggle.
 

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you know you wont get an honest answer, one who says they do not sin is a liar, people love using the bible to glorify themselves, Jesus did away with the "consequence" of sin so that we could have life in Him, and because of what He has done, we can stand before God, covered in His righteousness, even win this horrible flesh, because in Him all God sees is His son.

People love to take scriptures describing the unsaved and apply it to the Christian struggle because they love darkness. They can't know the truth that the born again experience of receiving the Spirit takes them out of that struggle.
 
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Well, if all true Christians agree on theology then there must be about three true Christians...
WHERE, where, wHere, can anyone first see the true Ekklesia living as one, continually full of truth, righteousness, peace and joy ? (truth is from other Scripture than specifically righteousness, peace and joy is, but all referring to where anyone in truth, in Jesus , can be seen without question - no doubt.
 

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People love to take scriptures describing the unsaved and apply it to the Christian struggle because they love darkness. They can't know the truth that the born again experience of receiving the Spirit takes them out of that struggle.
COOL - I thought at first glance .....'describing the unShave'.... :) .... hahaha..... then

considering it Biblically further, most all the men of God were , in the Bible, unshaved - had beards, almost always, including of course Jesus.

His Apostles also.

etc

so, there is more evidence, more Scripture, of Bible verses (living true testimony) 'Christians' today, refuse to believe for the last couple generations, eh?
 

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There are false or twisted teachings that are the literal opposite of these verses, yet most Christians would rather believe their teachers liberal teachings. Some who never study their Bibles but just go to church week after week, never in their life hear that these even exist.

1 John 3:23-24
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1 John 3:5-9
5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18
18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

John 8:32, 34-36
32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” ...
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

Romans 8:1-9
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Romans 3:
30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Mark 16:16-18
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

John 15:7
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

1 John 3:21-22
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1 John 3:24
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

2 Peter 1:5-9
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Revelation 22:11
11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

You have quoted a lot of verses and my response is "So what?" Quoting verses without exegesis is pointless and teaches nothing. But then when you don't have the gift of teaching one sort of expects people to parade their ideas rather vaguely.
 

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Just to add...that "remission" is translated from the Greek "aphesis" which actually means "freedom". So this concerns freedom from sins....not just forgiveness of sins. In Christ there is a refuge from sin....in holiness.

Despite what some teach, we are not free from sin. We are free from the power of sin which is quite different.

If we were free from sin we would not sin. If we are free from the power of sin, then we may sin but being free from the power of it, sin will not have dominion over you as the scripture teaches us.

In fact, the freedom from the power of sin gives us power over sin and it becomes a choice that we can refuse. But don't ever believe that Satan has power over you if you are a born again Christian. The only power he has is what we give him. If we don't give it to him, he doesn't have it.

As the scripture says we don't fight against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers in high places. That tells us Satan is not going to give up easily and there is a battle to be fought and won.
 

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If we were free from sin we would not sin.

And that is what freedom from sin means. Unless a person wants to sin of course. But we can't both abide IN Christ and sin.

We are not abandoned by Jesus when we sin. He yet remains in us...since He will not leave us or forsake us. We are learning to place ourselves in His hands and fully surrender to Him....in order to be crucified and enter INTO Him so that we remain in His peace and power. There is no sin in His presence.
 

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If we were free from sin we would not sin.
(Unless you mean something else in "free from sin") ,
Not true.
Notice what happens when a married man, happily married, is tripped/ caused to stumble/ cursed

by Balaam (in the Bible, right?)

Until they stumbled, sinned, went the way of Balaam's temptation,

they were free from the curse that cometh (from being enticed and going to a woman who is not your wife).

After they went to the women, they were cursed, as Balaam knew they would be.
 

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WHERE, where, wHere, can anyone first see the true Ekklesia living as one, continually full of truth, righteousness, peace and joy ? (truth is from other Scripture than specifically righteousness, peace and joy is, but all referring to where anyone in truth, in Jesus , can be seen without question - no doubt.
Ok, so we all have to agree on Jesus' death and resurrection. I agree that it is the basis of Christianity. But, the fact is, we can disagree on a thousand non-essential doctrinally issues and still worship together and love one another. That is the beauty of the gospel, it frees us from the tyranny of having to be in 100 percent agreement with someone to consider them our brother or sister.
 
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(Unless you mean something else in "free from sin") ,
Not true.
Notice what happens when a married man, happily married, is tripped/ caused to stumble/ cursed

by Balaam (in the Bible, right?)

Until they stumbled, sinned, went the way of Balaam's temptation,

they were free from the curse that cometh (from being enticed and going to a woman who is not your wife).

After they went to the women, they were cursed, as Balaam knew they would be.

As I said, if we were free from sin we would not sin.
 

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As I said, if we were free from sin we would not sin.
Right now, are you going to COURT, TRAFFIC COURT,

for RUNNING A RED LIGHT !? To face judgment for running a red light ? Today, this week, this month ?

i.e. stop mis-representing God's Word and our lives.
 

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Ok, so we all have to agree on Jesus' death and resurrection. I agree that it is the basis of Christianity. But, the fact is, we can disagree on a thousand non-essential doctrinally issues and still worship together and love one another. That is the beauty of the gospel, it frees us from the tyranny of having to be in 100 percent agreement with someone to consider them our brother or sister.
What ? Why didn't you just answer the question ?
The rest of the ideas, are not good.
 

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Right now, are you going to COURT, TRAFFIC COURT,

for RUNNING A RED LIGHT !? To face judgment for running a red light ? Today, this week, this month ?

i.e. stop lying.
I have never run a red light in 50 years of driving.
 

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What ? Why didn't you just answer the question ?
The rest of the ideas, are not good.
I did answer. We see the true church in many places. It's not any one denomination or church building.

The rest of what ideas?
 

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This is still the question: WHERE, where, wHere, can anyone first see the true Ekklesia living as one, continually full of truth, righteousness, peace and joy ?
Saying "many places" does not identify where.
Since most churches , it cannot be seen, it is needful therefore to be more specific.
 

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But, the fact is, we can disagree on a thousand non-essential doctrinally issues and still worship together and love one another. That is the beauty of the gospel
No. This is contrary to the Bible.
"If two be not agreed, they cannot walk together"
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"they ALL were of one mind and one spirit" is noted frequently throughout the New Testment (and TORAH, PROPHETS and Psalms).
So, there is no need to include the false gospel anywhere among God's People,
as if it is okay to do so, nor any sin, for that matter.... as written.
 

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No. This is contrary to the Bible.
"If two be not agreed, they cannot walk together"
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"they ALL were of one mind and one spirit" is noted frequently throughout the New Testment (and TORAH, PROPHETS and Psalms).
So, there is no need to include the false gospel anywhere among God's People,
as if it is okay to do so, nor any sin, for that matter.... as written.
Ah, so your little church group are the only saved ones then?
We sing about the deep, deep love of Jesus, but some congregations seem to believe he only loves thier little sect.
 

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Ah, so your little church group are the only saved ones then?
We sing about the deep, deep love of Jesus, but some congregations seem to believe he only loves thier little sect.
Who says who is the only saved ones ? I did not.

Simply, what does Scripture say of the saved ones: one mind, the mind of Christ, the attitude of Christ, one together in union in Christ.

i.e. those outside of Christ are not saved.