Why Does God Tell Us To "OVERCOME?"

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Vickie

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Revelation 21:7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the Cowardly, the Unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the Sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS-- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning brimstone. This is the 2nd death. Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Luke 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils any comments?
 

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Hi Vickie, we are to overcome all deception, all lies that came from men! Those who are very willingly to follow men over God will be judged first... That is the false teacher. Those who overcome the world like Christ overcame the world, will be inherit eternal life. The Millennium Reign is not eternal. Those who are good of heart, but misled by men, will be taught at the Millennium Reign. Eternal life is after Judgment Day. When one gains Eternal Life, they will be seeing "a new Earth and Heaven".
 

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Hi Vickie, we are to overcome all deception, all lies that came from men! Those who are very willingly to follow men over God will be judged first... That is the false teacher. Those who overcome the world like Christ overcame the world, will be inherit eternal life. The Millennium Reign is not eternal. Those who are good of heart, but misled by men, will be taught at the Millennium Reign. Eternal life is after Judgment Day. When one gains Eternal Life, they will be seeing "a new Earth and Heaven".
Thanks for your comment. I always like to read in the verses all things to get the fullness of what God says. What do you mean when you say the Millennium Reign is not eternal? I believe according to what I have read that those outside the Gate are not given eternal life,only those invited inside the GATE are given eternal life. The AGE of man will be changed during this Millennial Era. Isa 65:20 “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursedThese in the Millennial time will be taught directly how to live God's way. Those that won't will be accursed. Now it is given to a man to die at 70 yrs. So, there are some changes, God will leave 1/6 of God and Magog who will become as the sands of the sea. We have some very interesting things that are going to happen. But those who have been given eternal life, the Saints and apostles and prophets will inherit the kingdom of God which will be in Jerusalem and Nothing impure will enter through the Gates there. Vickie
 

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Hi Vickie, we are to overcome all deception, all lies that came from men! Those who are very willingly to follow men over God will be judged first... That is the false teacher. Those who overcome the world like Christ overcame the world, will be inherit eternal life. The Millennium Reign is not eternal. Those who are good of heart, but misled by men, will be taught at the Millennium Reign. Eternal life is after Judgment Day. When one gains Eternal Life, they will be seeing "a new Earth and Heaven"
Thanks for your comment. I always like to read in the verses all things to get the fullness of what God says. What do you mean when you say the Millennium Reign is not eternal? I believe according to what I have read that those outside the Gate are not given eternal life,only those invited inside the GATE are given eternal life. The AGE of man will be changed during this Millennial Era. Isa 65:20 “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursedThese in the Millennial time will be taught directly how to live God's way. Those that won't will be accursed. Now it is given to a man to die at 70 yrs. So, there are some changes, God will leave 1/6 of God and Magog who will become as the sands of the sea. We have some very interesting things that are going to happen. But those who have been given eternal life, the Saints and apostles and prophets will inherit the kingdom of God which will be in Jerusalem and Nothing impure will enter through the Gates there. Vickie
Vickie, I mean just that. The Millennium Reign is not eternal. Millennium means 1000 human years. So 1000 years has a limited amount of time, therefore can't be eternal.The New Heaven and Earth which will exist after the Millennium Reign and Judgment Day... The New Heaven and Earth is eternal.... The Millennium Reign is not.
 

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Vickie, I mean just that. The Millennium Reign is not eternal. Millennium means 1000 human years. So 1000 years has a limited amount of time, therefore can't be eternal.The New Heaven and Earth which will exist after the Millennium Reign and Judgment Day... The New Heaven and Earth is eternal.... The Millennium Reign is not.
I'm curious why you think people that died without Christ but were "good people" are going to be taught in the Millenial reign. I haven't read it in scripture, but there's a chance you're seeing something I'm not.
 

Jordan

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Vickie, I mean just that. The Millennium Reign is not eternal. Millennium means 1000 human years. So 1000 years has a limited amount of time, therefore can't be eternal.The New Heaven and Earth which will exist after the Millennium Reign and Judgment Day... The New Heaven and Earth is eternal.... The Millennium Reign is not.
I'm curious why you think people that died without Christ but were "good people" are going to be taught in the Millenial reign. I haven't read it in scripture, but there's a chance you're seeing something I'm not.
Well WhiteKnuckle, I can only tell you that only God knows one's heart. We don't. But I can say this as a small portion of what I am saying. All unborn babies that died because of abortion, died without Christ (obviously), because they never heard of God and Christ before. Are these souls that died of abortion going to be sentence on Judgment Day because they never taught? No! God is fair... Those who never knew Christ, whether unborn babies that died of abortion, little kids that can't defend themselves (at a very young age) that been killed by one of their friends or their family members etc.......Again, only God knows people's heart. Those who never knew will have a chance to be taught at the Millennium Reign to be given a chance for eternal life like us... except when the Millennium Reign comes, grace are no longer there... all souls at this time (Millennium Reign) will be judged by their works. Again I can only say a small portion of the answer... It is possible that your mother might be there. Do I know? No, I just can't say. Again, God knows their heart. We don't...
 

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Vickie, I mean just that. The Millennium Reign is not eternal. Millennium means 1000 human years. So 1000 years has a limited amount of time, therefore can't be eternal.The New Heaven and Earth which will exist after the Millennium Reign and Judgment Day... The New Heaven and Earth is eternal.... The Millennium Reign is not.
There are those who have been grafted in that dwell forever with God in the Kingdom of God who will dwell in the new Jerusalem at Christ's coming. There are the people whom God leaves on the earth to start the 1000 yrs reign with who DWELLS OUT SIDE the GATES of the CITY. 1/6 of Gog and Magog, are left by Gog to grow as the sands of the sea to come against God's people at the end of the 1000 yrs. and who ever else God chooses to dwell OUT SIDE THE CITY GATES. You have all of these that come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles for they have not been given ETERNAL LIFE. The age of man's life changes from 70 yrs. to growing as old as trees which BUT THIS IS THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY GATES. Not those who have been given ETERNAL LIFE. as Isaiah says never will there be an infant who lives but a few days ( Isa 65:20) People still can die during this era called the Millennium, but NOT THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN ETERNAL LIFEThanks VickieVickie
I'm curious why you think people that died without Christ but were "good people" are going to be taught in the Millenial reign. I haven't read it in scripture, but there's a chance you're seeing something I'm not.
That is not in the bible, what is in the bible is in Rom 11:25 there Paul says there is number of the Gentiles that God is calling not all Gentiles are called at this time. The reason is God is making up a nation of Priest for himself and not the whole world is called into his treasured possession at this time. These Priest will serve God directly. The Saints are being trained by the Holy Spirit for preparation of this. Those who disqualify themself will be tossed in the fire, this is the cost that many don't consider.
 

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Vickie, I mean just that. The Millennium Reign is not eternal. Millennium means 1000 human years. So 1000 years has a limited amount of time, therefore can't be eternal.The New Heaven and Earth which will exist after the Millennium Reign and Judgment Day... The New Heaven and Earth is eternal.... The Millennium Reign is not.
There are those who have been grafted in that dwell forever with God in the Kingdom of God who will dwell in the new Jerusalem at Christ's coming. There are the people whom God leaves on the earth to start the 1000 yrs reign with who DWELLS OUT SIDE the GATES of the CITY. 1/6 of Gog and Magog, are left by Gog to grow as the sands of the sea to come against God's people at the end of the 1000 yrs. and who ever else God chooses to dwell OUT SIDE THE CITY GATES. You have all of these that come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles for they have not been given ETERNAL LIFE. The age of man's life changes from 70 yrs. to growing as old as trees which BUT THIS IS THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY GATES. Not those who have been given ETERNAL LIFE. as Isaiah says never will there be an infant who lives but a few days ( Isa 65:20) People still can die during this era called the Millennium, but NOT THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN ETERNAL LIFEThanks VickieVickie
Vickie, With all due respectThe only those who are given Eternal Life are those of the First Resurrected (which are the Elects / those who are overcomers) (Revelation 2:11, Revelation 20:6) Secondly, no human being has been judged by God yet. (John 17:12) Those who pass the test after being taught at the Millennium Reign are also be in the Book of Life for Eternal Life. (Revelation 20:15)Lastly, there is no death, there is no people going to die at the Millennium Reign. The Millennium Reign... They will see people of past and present (dead and those who remain alive) There will be no human bodies at the Millennium Reign. Only spirit bodies are allowed. All flesh bodies will cease to exist. Again, I repeat, there is no death, there is no people going to die at the Millennium Reign.
 

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I'm curious why you think people that died without Christ but were "good people" are going to be taught in the Millenial reign. I haven't read it in scripture, but there's a chance you're seeing something I'm not.
Isa 54:10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee. Isa 54:11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, [and] not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires. Isa 54:12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones. Isa 54:13 And all thy children [shall be] taught of the LORD; and great [shall be] the peace of thy children. This is the Millieum
 

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These are the scriptures i found, hopefully they will help answer your question
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John 16:33 "these things i have spoken to you, so that in me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world"Romans 12:21 "do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good"1st John 5:4 "for whatever is born of god overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith"Revelation 2:7 "he who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the paradise of god"
 

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Perhaps I can help pull all this together the milluiem and the overcoming Isaiah 54:13 "And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children."The time when "all thy children shall be taught of the Lord" is the time of the Millennium age. The peace is great at this time because Satan and all the evil rudiments of this earth age of the flesh will be gone. Satan is in the pit, and all souls will be in their incorruptible bodies that will seen no aging and defects that our flesh bodies have. God will place within all our minds the ability to understand and know exactly the Word of God. There will be no one to bring on their traditions during this time of teaching. Then once all of God's children have been completely instructed and disciplined, and Satan is released at the end of the Millennium age for a short season and they follow him then, there is no forgiveness for them. Then comes the great white throne judgment and there will be no forgiveness for their acts then, but they will go into the fire and turned into ashes. Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the withness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."Those taking part in the first resurrection are those, that because they were sealed in their minds before the coming of Satan [the instead of Christ], did not worship him in any manner. They did not take his name, nor number in their hands or in their minds, which is to say "their foreheads". This is to say that they did not think him to be Jesus Christ, and thus they did not worship any form of Satan or his system. To take Satan the Antichrist's mark in their hands is to give service to him in any manner. Not even to bid them well when they are at your door-step. By serving Christ in this manner you will take part in this first resurrection at the sounding of the seventh trumpet. Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second heath hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."This "thousand years" is the Millennium age. It is this period of time that Ezekiel chapters 40-48 are all about. We will not go into this period now. Once you, by your faith in Jesus Christ seek repentance in His name, you will find that peace of God, because He has promised it to you. Though you and I will witness the judgments at the end of this earth age, and those at the end of the Millennium age, we will not take part in it, for judgment to God elect and those with the seal of God in their mind is the receiving of our rewards. Isaiah 54:14 "In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee."The position that you hold in the Millennium age, and all the righteousness that you possess will be for all the right reasons. Even in this earth age of the flesh, it doesn't matter what system comes into being, you simply don't have to worry. God has spelled out exactly what shall take place before His coming, and those signs and events must come to pass first. As you and I watch those things happening before our eyes, we should not be in fear or terror, for God is allowing them to come to pass. Each of those things that are happening from Africa to Jerusalem; from Russia to the United States are coming to pass in fulfillment to God's prophesies through His prophets. Learning those events, and expecting them to happen right on time,knowing Gods truth and his promises is what is called being "sealed in your forehead". Those that are sealed are those that have the protection of God over them when the entire world chases after Satan. Revelation 9:4 "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."
 

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That was an excellent reply using the verses to say it all. Truth at it's best. Exactly. Thanks vickie
 

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Revelation 21:7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the Cowardly, the Unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the Sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS-- their place will be in the fiery lake of burning brimstone. This is the 2nd death. Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Luke 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils any comments?

This promise at Revelation 21:7 is similar to the promises found in the messages to the seven congregations. (Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 26-28; 3:5, 12, 21) Christ’s disciples throughout the ages have eagerly anticipated the privilege of being part of New Jerusalem. If they conquer the world, as Jesus conquered, their hopes will be realized.(John 16:33)
So it's important that Jesus disciples now remain clean from the defiling things of Satan’s world! They need to be strong, resolute, and determined that the Devil will never drag them down into the company that YHWH God himself here describes at Revelation 21:8, "But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and fornicators and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur. This means the second death.”
 

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Vickie, With all due respectThe only those who are given Eternal Life are those of the First Resurrected (which are the Elects / those who are overcomers) (Revelation 2:11, Revelation 20:6) Secondly, no human being has been judged by God yet. (John 17:12) Those who pass the test after being taught at the Millennium Reign are also be in the Book of Life for Eternal Life. (Revelation 20:15)Lastly, there is no death, there is no people going to die at the Millennium Reign. The Millennium Reign... They will see people of past and present (dead and those who remain alive) There will be no human bodies at the Millennium Reign. Only spirit bodies are allowed. All flesh bodies will cease to exist. Again, I repeat, there is no death, there is no people going to die at the Millennium Reign.

Those of the first Resurrection (the elect) who have endured to the end will get a resurrection like Jesus who when resurrected was resurrected a spirit being who was given immortality and who inherited incorruption. So those of the first resurrection who are the elect they with Jesus will be in that heavenly messianic kingdom ruling with Jesus over the earth. They too will be resurrected with spirit bodies and will be given immortality and inherit incorruption. However there will be those that Jesus Christ and these elect will rule over, and these are the majority that will be resurrected from the dead who will be resurrected on earth. They will be mortal human beings but as long as they are obedient to God they will keep eternal life. So life eternal for those resurrected on earth will depend on their obedience. The elect who will be in heaven with Jesus because they have been given immortality and inherit incorruption, death will have no more hold on them. So immortality and eternal life are not the same. A person who will be resurrected on earth will keep their eternal life only if they remain obedient to the True God. Obedience is something that the True God will always require from human beings.