What goes to Hell

Bible_Gazer · Mar 29, 2020

What goes to hell where people are suppose to be burning ?
The flesh body
Your soul or soul spirit body ?
What form are these people in ?

I have heard it said that some people believe you have some
kind of spirit body living within your flesh body.
If your hand gets cut off, your spirit body hand is still there.

What about evil spirits do they have a body, even when they process someone ?
Will those that who goes to hell be the same as they are ?

Sometime we have to be careful when someone draw pictures and we believe what we see.
Like when I was growing up, I saw pictures of Adam and Eve in the Garden eating an apple.
I think I believed it for awhile, and how many other believed it to ?
Genesis does not say anything about an apple in the garden.
There is so many picture drawn up about people in their body in hell and
red devils with pitchforks.

So what is your take on this ?

*** Just to throw this in - what about those who think saints are waiting for their
resurrected body, what form are they in now ?

Reggie Belafonte · Mar 30, 2020

Ones Soul is in Hellfire, something like you stepped in fresh dog s--t and you think oh no ! Now how you did it, bear foot or on your shoes and walked it trough the carpet at home before you knew just what you had done or maybe it's a good mates house or you are invited into a house of a mates who just introduced you to a good mate of his, or it's your bosses house. on TV for all to see.

What ever it is, it is that your soul will be truly regretful and in much pain, tormented in the grief that one lacked Grace. they had the gift right in front of their nose and they rejected it.

The resurrected body is nothing like our body, man or woman do not exist. It's a Spiritual Body and their is no fairy land. it maybe the Holy Temple.

Taken · Mar 30, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
What goes to hell where people are suppose to be burning ?
The flesh body
Your soul or soul spirit body ?
What form are these people in ?

I have heard it said that some people believe you have some
kind of spirit body living within your flesh body.
If your hand gets cut off, your spirit body hand is still there.

What about evil spirits do they have a body, even when they process someone ?
Will those that who goes to hell be the same as they are ?

Sometime we have to be careful when someone draw pictures and we believe what we see.
Like when I was growing up, I saw pictures of Adam and Eve in the Garden eating an apple.
I think I believed it for awhile, and how many other believed it to ?
Genesis does not say anything about an apple in the garden.
There is so many picture drawn up about people in their body in hell and
red devils with pitchforks.

So what is your take on this ?

*** Just to throw this in - what about those who think saints are waiting for their
resurrected body, what form are they in now ?

In Brief:

The Body "returns" to the earth.
The "soul"...
* Before Christ Jesus on Earth...
( saved living souls & and unsaved living soles; all went to "the underworld, hell).
* one place, WITH a DIVISION.
* the Division, a body of water/ great gulf.
* ONE side, saved souls, in comfort, fed with the Tree of Life....every "Sense" ... sight, sounds, smells, touch, speech...pleasant.
* OTHER side, unsaved souls, in agony, hot, stinky, void of Tree of Life... every "Sense" ... sight, sounds, smells, touch, speech...unpleasant.

Neither Saved or Unsaved souls could PASSOVER to the Other side.
They could Observe the pleasantness or unpleasantness or the Others, but not cross the Divisionary Gulf waters.

* After and Since Christ Jesus" Arrival AND Return to Heaven...
* "Saved" Souls of Dead and Buried Bodies, go directly to Heaven (to wait Judgement)
* Saved souls, (IN Living bodies, (IN Christ) ALSO, receive A Born Again spirit. UPON their physical Bodily death...(their living spirit, along with their living soul), goes directly to Heaven, to wait for Judgement.

Unsaved living souls ( of physically DEAD bodies) continue to go wait in hell, in agony and unpleasantness, waiting for judgement day. Their (natural) "spirit" was never "born Again", and dies away with their body.
(And a "natural spirit" of a man, is simply, a man's "natural" Truth in his heart.
A born Again man's "spirit", is a man who has Received and continues Receiving Christ's Jesus TRUTH.)

God has "temporarily" saved millions of men's Bodies...since the beginning of Mankind...
But ALlL bodies of men Shall Die.

All Bodies of men, Shall be Risen up from death. All living souls (Saved and unsaved) shall return to their bodies.

All souls (in Heaven, Above the Earth, on Earth, under the Earth) in their body's Shall SEE the Son of Man (Jesus), "shall believe" He IS the Son of God (Christ)..."Shall bow and worship Him."

Only a "portion" of ALL men, will have Become "saints"..."given a "born Again spirit"

Those "before" Jesus arrived on Earth...Who believed IN GOD, IN "the WORD of GOD"...and those After Jesus' Arrival on Earth & Return to Heaven...Who Believed, Jesus IS the "WORD of God" in the flesh; Are "the saints" ... as they Receive a born Again spirit.

The "unsaved" souls...do not receive an everlasting born Again Living spirit"

After every soul bowing and worshiping Christ Jesus...the Books are opened, Evidence revealed FOR JUDGEMENT...
Saint? Body had died, soul was Saved, spirit born Again? Name in Gods Book of Life?
Name in The Lambs Book of Life?
Judgement...is to forever Live With God.

Body has died, soul unsaved, spirit not born Again? Name Blotted out of Gods Book of Life? Name never entered into Lambs Book of Life?
Judgement...is soul to depart body (body again dead), Life in the soul returns to God (soul lifeless)..."lifeless" body and soul, burned to ash...Forever remains ash...forever separated from God.

Spiritual spirits (not out of the Earth)...angel's, celestial beings were ALL created Holy, having much more knowledge and Power than mankind.

They CAN NOT Die...same as a man whose spirit becomes "Spiritually born Again, his spirit can not die".
Angel's and mankind Both have Freewill.
An angel CAN defy God...and become separated from God (cast down to earth, cast down to hell, cast down to a fire pit). They can burn forever, yet never die.
A man who becomes "born Again", IS KEPT faithful Forever, By the Power of God.

Demonic spirits that occupy a living mans body, does not remain in a corpse.

Saints...in Heaven...are their Saved souls and
And their Quickened spirit... their physically DEAD body's are still a rotting corpse returning to dust.

Glory to God,
Taken

Base12 · Mar 30, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
What goes to hell where people are suppose to be burning ?

It depends which 'Hell' we are talking about...

Torments?
Lake of Fire?

Here is my belief per Scripture...

We all currently have Body + Soul + Spirit.
Upon death, we lose the Body and become Soul + Spirit.
At that point the Unsaved go to Torments and the Saved go to Abraham's Bosom.
When the Resurrection of the Unsaved occurs, they are back to being Body + Soul + Spirit.
The Unsaved, being Body + Soul + Spirit, go to the Lake of Fire.
The Lake of Fire destroys both Body + Soul.
The Spirit is all that is left and goes back to God to be Re-purposed.

Bible_Gazer said:
Just to throw this in - what about those who think saints are waiting for their
resurrected body, what form are they in now ?

They are Soul + Spirit only and reside in Abraham's Bosom. Yes, Abraham's Bosom still exists and was not 'emptied out'.

IronSwede · Mar 30, 2020

Base12 said:
The Spirit is all that is left and goes back to God to be Re-purposed.

The soul is repurposed? As what?

Base12 · Mar 30, 2020

IronSwede said:
The soul is repurposed? As what?

Another life in this world.

I am a rare Christian in that I believe Reincarnation is Biblical.

Oh and welcome to the Forum!

IronSwede · Mar 30, 2020

Another life in this world.

Oh and welcome to the Forum!

Thanks.

I am a rare Christian in that I believe Reincarnation is Biblical.

Interesting. I've never encountered a Christian argument for reincarnation. Have you fleshed that out somewhere?

Base12 · Mar 30, 2020

IronSwede said:
Interesting. I've never encountered a Christian argument for reincarnation. Have you fleshed that out somewhere?

Yes.

Here is a post I made recently on the subject...

If Children come from Hell, how did they get there to begin with?

Just as an FYI...

It's an extremely controversial subject that has gotten me banned in many "Christian" forums, so be careful!

Reggie Belafonte · Mar 30, 2020

Base12 said:
Yes.

Here is a post I made recently on the subject...

If Children come from Hell, how did they get there to begin with?

Just as an FYI...

It's an extremely controversial subject that has gotten me banned in many "Christian" forums, so be careful!

Jesus said that it has been appointed to man to live once. that's our carnal fleshly body.
Some claim that they are going to be raptured up and then they will come back down in due time when the heat dies down, but that is of Satan. because we only have one life in the flesh.

All people are Carnal until they are truly born again in the Holy Spirit, end of story.

Bible_Gazer · Mar 31, 2020

Evil spirits (demons) are they like God ?
Some believe God is spirit - without a body.

When people die and they move out of the flesh body are they like God ?

Base12 · Mar 31, 2020

Reggie Belafonte said:
Jesus said that it has been appointed to man to live once.

If all we had was one life, then no one would be able to be Born Again...

1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"

As unbelievable as this may sound, Reincarnation is one of the main themes of the Bible. The Church hid this fact from Christians centuries ago under threat of death to anyone that believed or promoted the idea.

That stranglehold is still there to this day.

The last thing Satan wants is for the world to realize that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob really is Love. The Church of course teaches the opposite... that a Loving God torments his Creation for all of eternity or gets rid of them altogether.

Let's take another look at the following verse...

Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

What the Church is hoping to deceive folks into believing is that the verse says something like...

"Everyone has to die and it's only one time".

If this were True, then many verses in the Bible would be in contradiction.

One example would be verses about the Rapture. Millions of Christians look forward to the day they will not taste of death and be with the LORD in the air...

1 Thessalonians 4:17
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord"

Too bad that's not going to happen... unless of course Hebrews 9:27 doesn't mean what they're telling us it means.

What about Enoch and Elijah? They never died. Did God lie again?

Genesis 5:24
"And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him"

Perhaps Enoch will Reincarnate... oops, I mean magically appear in a flesh body one day as one of the Two Witnesses.

Since Christians are taught that Reincarnation is not Biblical, Pastors must make up silly excuses like...

"The Two Witnesses aren't *really* the return of two famous Bible characters... they are merely 'Crisis Actors' playing the part". "They are Role Playing". "It's all just a LARP because Reincarnation...".

What about Lazarus who rose from the dead?

John 11:14
"Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead"

Die once? Nope, not for Lazarus.

And the Valley of Dry Bones?

Ezekiel 37:10
"So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army"

So many stories of the dead rising again, only to die later.

And let's not forget the most condemning verses contradicting the 'Die Once' deception...

Revelation 2:11
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death"

'Die once' and 'die twice' is an obvious contradiction no matter how One tries to spin it.

There are several verses that mention a Second Death, thus there are no problems with 'translation errors'.

Obviously Hebrews 9:27 has been grossly misinterpreted by those that try and use it to debunk Reincarnation.

Now if we go outside of Scripture and actually look for evidence, we find that there are thousands upon thousands of very well documented cases of children remembering past lives.

What does the average Christian say? THEY ARE ALL DEBIL POSSESSED!!!

Is this True? Where are the verses in the Bible of Children remembering past lives and how it's all "Debil Possesion"?

Let's clear this up once and for all...

All Hebrews 9:27 is teaching is that for every death, there is a judgement. That's it.

One Death = One Judgement... simple.

In other words, One cannot live a life of 'Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll' and escape judgement each time. They will reap what they sow in the next life. All is fair. All is just.

God Truly is Love and will redeem everyone in the end.

Reggie Belafonte · Mar 31, 2020

Base12 said:
If all we had was one life, then no one would be able to be Born Again...

1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"

As unbelievable as this may sound, Reincarnation is one of the main themes of the Bible. The Church hid this fact from Christians centuries ago under threat of death to anyone that believed or promoted the idea.

That stranglehold is still there to this day.

The last thing Satan wants is for the world to realize that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob really is Love. The Church of course teaches the opposite... that a Loving God torments his Creation for all of eternity or gets rid of them altogether.

Let's take another look at the following verse...

Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

What the Church is hoping to deceive folks into believing is that the verse says something like...

"Everyone has to die and it's only one time".

If this were True, then many verses in the Bible would be in contradiction.

One example would be verses about the Rapture. Millions of Christians look forward to the day they will not taste of death and be with the LORD in the air...

1 Thessalonians 4:17
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord"

Too bad that's not going to happen... unless of course Hebrews 9:27 doesn't mean what they're telling us it means.

What about Enoch and Elijah? They never died. Did God lie again?

Genesis 5:24
"And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him"

Perhaps Enoch will Reincarnate... oops, I mean magically appear in a flesh body one day as one of the Two Witnesses.

Since Christians are taught that Reincarnation is not Biblical, Pastors must make up silly excuses like...

"The Two Witnesses aren't *really* the return of two famous Bible characters... they are merely 'Crisis Actors' playing the part". "They are Role Playing". "It's all just a LARP because Reincarnation...".

What about Lazarus who rose from the dead?

John 11:14
"Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead"

Die once? Nope, not for Lazarus.

And the Valley of Dry Bones?

Ezekiel 37:10
"So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army"

So many stories of the dead rising again, only to die later.

And let's not forget the most condemning verses contradicting the 'Die Once' deception...

Revelation 2:11
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death"

'Die once' and 'die twice' is an obvious contradiction no matter how One tries to spin it.

There are several verses that mention a Second Death, thus there are no problems with 'translation errors'.

Obviously Hebrews 9:27 has been grossly misinterpreted by those that try and use it to debunk Reincarnation.

Now if we go outside of Scripture and actually look for evidence, we find that there are thousands upon thousands of very well documented cases of children remembering past lives.

What does the average Christian say? THEY ARE ALL DEBIL POSSESSED!!!

Is this True? Where are the verses in the Bible of Children remembering past lives and how it's all "Debil Possesion"?

Let's clear this up once and for all...

All Hebrews 9:27 is teaching is that for every death, there is a judgement. That's it.

One Death = One Judgement... simple.

In other words, One cannot live a life of 'Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll' and escape judgement each time. They will reap what they sow in the next life. All is fair. All is just.

God Truly is Love and will redeem everyone in the end.

It's about our Flesh ! the other is about our Soul.

When one is truly born again then you are in the Kingdom of God. so one is not of this world ? as Jesus said that he was not of this world, meaning not under the power of Sin. the Devil controls this world of corruption. now the Kingdom come will be done in due time, but some are in the Kingdom now because they are truly born again of the Holy Spirit, so when one is taken up too meet the Lord in his Majesty then you have been truly born again.

Joseph77 · Apr 13, 2020

Ekklesia from Genesis thru Revelation , thru 2020, until Jesus Returns,
are those who are born again (already) by the Will of the Father from Heaven.

(not by the will of man, nor of the flesh) etc....

Getitright · Apr 13, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
What goes to hell where people are suppose to be burning ?
The flesh body
Your soul or soul spirit body ?
What form are these people in ?

I have heard it said that some people believe you have some
kind of spirit body living within your flesh body.
If your hand gets cut off, your spirit body hand is still there.

What about evil spirits do they have a body, even when they process someone ?
Will those that who goes to hell be the same as they are ?

Sometime we have to be careful when someone draw pictures and we believe what we see.
Like when I was growing up, I saw pictures of Adam and Eve in the Garden eating an apple.
I think I believed it for awhile, and how many other believed it to ?
Genesis does not say anything about an apple in the garden.
There is so many picture drawn up about people in their body in hell and
red devils with pitchforks.

So what is your take on this ?

*** Just to throw this in - what about those who think saints are waiting for their
resurrected body, what form are they in now ?

The Bible is pretty clear on this. Man is a physical being that is infused with the breath of God, this is a living soul. We are told in Scripture that when the man dies the breath returns to God and the body returns to the dust. Since the body and the breath have separated the soul ceases to exist. In the English translation of the Bible three different words are translated hell. One is Hades, which is the grave. One is Gehenna which is the Lake of Fire, and the other is Tartarus, a place for fallen angels. When man dies the body goes to the grave, Hades. The body decays back to dust. The breath has returned to God and the soul has ceased to exist. In the end the wicked will be raised and judged. Those not found in the Book of Life will be case into Gehenna or the Lake of Fire.

Bible_Gazer · Apr 14, 2020

Getitright said:
The Bible is pretty clear on this. Man is a physical being that is infused with the breath of God, this is a living soul. We are told in Scripture that when the man dies the breath returns to God and the body returns to the dust. Since the body and the breath have separated the soul ceases to exist. In the English translation of the Bible three different words are translated hell. One is Hades, which is the grave. One is Gehenna which is the Lake of Fire, and the other is Tartarus, a place for fallen angels. When man dies the body goes to the grave, Hades. The body decays back to dust. The breath has returned to God and the soul has ceased to exist. In the end the wicked will be raised and judged. Those not found in the Book of Life will be case into Gehenna or the Lake of Fire.

When the person is raised from the dead, the body is recreated and the breath enter back into it.
Then this wicked person goes to Gehenna both the flesh body and breath.
Right now this person does not exist until that day, to be burned up ?

bbyrd009 · Apr 14, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
What goes to hell where people are suppose to be burning ?

those who digs a pit for others, ends up in it himself?
Gehenna is on earth, after all?
"Hell" was scribed in by our english scribes i guess

Bible_Gazer said:
*** Just to throw this in - what about those who think saints are waiting for their
resurrected body, what form are they in now ?

well imo if they didnt resurrect at baptism, like whoever was baptizing them prolly even said at the time, they got the thief in the night i guess, if they are dead, as they are now in "dust" form?

Getitright · Apr 14, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
When the person is raised from the dead, the body is recreated and the breath enter back into it.
Then this wicked person goes to Gehenna both the flesh body and breath.
Right now this person does not exist until that day, to be burned up ?

Yeah, once the person dies they cease to exist until the resurrection.

Joseph77 · Apr 14, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
Right now this person does not exist until that day, to be burned up ?

Right now in man's time.

Or in spirit 'time' (there is no 'time' as we know it in the spirit) .

So, this person does exist.

Maybe not in our time - as he cannot speak , talk, listen, think, pray, or sin, or do anything, in our time.

Bible_Gazer · Apr 14, 2020

Joseph77 said:
Right now in man's time.

Or in spirit 'time' (there is no 'time' as we know it in the spirit) .

So, this person does exist.

Maybe not in our time - as he cannot speak , talk, listen, think, pray, or sin, or do anything, in our time.

You found that in the Bible ?
I do find in the bible its says there will be time no more, but that's in the future.

Joseph77 · Apr 14, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
You found that in the Bible ?
I do find in the bible its says there will be time no more, but that's in the future.

Why ever think that time for God the Creator in the spiritual, is anything at all like it is for us created humans ? He is not subject to our ways of thinking at all.

He is not going to change, is He , ever ? (that would conradict all Scripture, and all the beliefs of the people of God for thousands of years)

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