In reading back over the previous posts, I don't see why people are so hostile to those that speak in tongues.Yes, I pray and praise in tongues.That does not make me 'better' than other Christians.I can say though with all honesty that it has helped me be a better Christian.My personal walk with Jesus has been helped immensely by this.
The Necessity Of Tongues As A Prayer Language
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I did not believe in tongues. It passed away with all the other gifts.Then I got locked up in Prison and found a Christian Group of strong men that prayed in tongues. I put up with it, because it was the only group around. (Not much choices in jail.) One time in prayer we were holding hands and I felt this awesome power through the prayer group. It really freaked me out some. One of the Brothers had been diagnosed with Cancer. I thought that was it for him. What did they do? They just gathered around and cursed that cancer in the Name of Jesus, then the Brother that had the Cancer said everything is fine. I agree with you. I knew he was a gonner though...... Until his next check up. They could not find the growth. A few more check ups latter and no cancer. This was not the only thing I saw happen.It took me a little bit. (Longer than it should have.) but I got to thinking that there is more to God than what I ever realized. So, I started to ask Questions.I am so Glad I did.................. tongues not only imparts the Wisdom of God into your spirit but covers things in pray that natural understanding can not. I could tell story after story, but the post is long enough.Jesus Is Lord.
This seems so timely.My pastor tonight spoke about speaking in tongues. He himself stated it wasn't the be all-end all, but it was an important beginning.He said the gifts of the spirit should be sought and will follow, but praying and praising in the spirit are still a wonderful part of our regular interaction with God.
Brother Mike;71641]I did not believe in tongues. It passed away with all the other gifts. Then I got locked up in Prison and found a Christian Group of strong men that prayed in tongues. I put up with it said:
[quote name='Brother Mike;71641] . .Then I got locked up in Prison . ..[/QUOTE]This reminds me of a testimony of Mostafa who joined us."I came from an Islamic background and hated Christianity' date=' but the teachings of the Koran were not evident in my family - my father was violent, unmerciful and without love - he often beat me and I couldn't understand how God could allow such things to continue. I felt rejected and unloved by God, so I went my own way, entered the Australian Police Service and worked as an officer for 13 years.I got married, had houses, land, cars, money, prestige and power. Yet I ws still empty inside and began to look for more excitement - chasing women, getting drunk and using "soft" drugs. These were not enough and I started using heroin. I became addicted, I lost self-esteem, my marriage, my wealth and my career. I hated life and began to rob banks to suppliment my income.This was the ultimate high and the thrill and danger of robbing banks overtook me. I was so violent that I was one of the 10 most wanted men in Australia. I was soon arrected and jailed for 9 armed robberies, 28 couts of grand theft auto, 8 possions of firearms.At Christmas in jail I was given a bible. Out of boredom I began to read it and soon became captivated by the amazing stories. At one point I got on my knees and confessed my sins with tears. That night I felt all my burdens lifetd off me and had the best night's sleep for years. Despite this I soon reverted to Heroin and the next year took an overdose and when the the prison wardens found me I wasn't breathing. I remember nothing.In hospital I reasoned that if God can raise me from the dead then he could also raise Christ, contrary to my Islamic beliefs. From that moment my entire craving for Heroin left me, I didn't even go through withdrawal symptoms. 9 months later I was baptised in the jail's swimming pool. A few months later, a warden asked me: [I']"Have you received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?"[/I] (Acts 19:2). I thought that I had but was shown from the bible that when people did they spoke in tongues.I was extemely resistant and sought the Lord in prayer and fasting for answers, one night in my cell I bagan to speak in a new language. I knew that I had received the Holy Spirit. From that moment, mighty miracles began to occur in my life. I was set free from addictions to smoking, alcohol and many things I had no control over. The more I prayed, the more miracles happened.Friends I shared needles with told me they had Hepatitis C. I prayed and fasted, refusing to believe I had it and the blood test returned negative. When I went for sentencing I prayed to the Lord that He be my judge, knowing he was a God of mercy and grace. I was facing six life sentences but amazingly the Judge said we was going to give me the benefit of the doubt! I was sentenced to 8 years with a non-parole period of 5 years - an extremely light sentence.On my release, I had no possessions, no job, no money. Within 4 weeks, The Lord provided me with a job as a baker. I have since had other jobs, a wife and a great life free from the addictions of the past.
I love your testimony but i must disagree with the one who told you that all who recieve the Holy Spirit talk in tounges. For Paul states in scripture:1 Corinthians 1227 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.So i believe it is wrong to teach that all must talk in tongues, and that anyone who does not is not a true Christian.All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Adstar;73689]I love your testimony but i must disagree with the one who told you that all who recieve the Holy Spirit talk in tounges. For Paul states . . .[/QUOTE]The [I]context[/I] of that scripture is that since chapter 11 Paul has been talking about what God wants [I]in meetings.[/I]Why does he do this?- because they were getting it wrong.They were all behaving as one member said:
Adstar;73689]I love your testimony but i must disagree with the one who told you that all who receive the Holy Spirit talk in tongues. For Paul states in scripture: [B]1 Corinthians 12[/B]27 Now you are the body of Christ said:
I believe that God gives the gifts as He wills But i do not believe that all are given all the gifts. Each part of the Body is essential but my foot is not my arms and head and stomache. Different members of the Body of Christ recieve different gifts each serve their purpose. So i do not agree with any doctrine that teaches that all who recieve the Holy Spirit talk in tongues.At the start of the chapter Paul establishes the fact that they are different ministries, a ministry is an individual area of responsability that differs from other areas. 1 Corinthians 124 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.Paul goes on to state clearly that different people recieve different gifts no where does he say that all recieve one of the gifts tongues.1 Corinthians 127 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.It is clear that the Holy Spirit does not give one of these gifts to everyone.The very next chapter Paul makes it clear that not all the body specks in tongues.1 Corinthians 13 1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification."I wish you all spoke with tongues" Clearly Paul is saying that not all the body of Jesus spoke in tongues; If they all did then He would not be wishing that they all spoke in tongues.All Praise The Ancient Of DaysTallMan;73690]The [I]context[/I] of that scripture is that since chapter 11 Paul has been talking about what God wants [I]in meetings.[/I]Why does he do this?- because they were getting it wrong.They were all behaving as one member said:
Adstar;73708]I believe that God gives the gifts as He wills But i do not believe that all are given all the gifts. Each part of the Body is essential but my foot is not my arms and head and stomache. Different members of the Body of Christ recieve different gifts each serve their purpose. So i do not agree with any doctrine that teaches that all who recieve the Holy Spirit talk in tongues.[/QUOTE] You are simply not understanding what "the gifts of the Holy Spirit" are!They are when the Holy Spirit inspires you to say or possibly do something particular at a particular time.They are for the benefit of all "to profit withal." (12v7)That is different from the abilities all Christians have for their daily private use said:
I was taught by the Holy Spirit. No one came up to me and said "Hey you must speack in tongues or otherwise your not a full or true Christian. I make no God out of men. I don't rise up other men as Co-Messiah's. Who did you honour when you went seeking tongues? The Messiah Jesus or that man whom told you that you must have tongues. Where you saved by that mans clearance? Or where you saved by the Blood of the Messiah Jesus,TallMan;73711]You are simply not understanding what "the gifts of the Holy Spirit" are!They are when the Holy Spirit inspires you to say or possibly do something particular at a particular time.They are for the benefit of all "to profit withal." (12v7)That is different from the abilities all Christians have for their daily private use said:
Paul Spoke the truth. He was guided by the Holy Spirit, He had no man directing him in teachings. Of course Paul would have liked all men to talk in tongues and He clearly expressed that when he said:
"I wish you all spoke with tongues"
I have no doubt He would have liked all men to have all the gifts. He himself prefered Prophecy over the others. But He knew not all where given it and neither where all given tongues.
Until you accept that it is a lie that all who have the Holy Spirit must speak in tongues, Until you accept the truth of scriptures you will not be growing in the knowledge of salvation.
No. They did not all speak in tongues, thats why he said "I would that ye all spake with tongues" It is the teaching that all must speak in tongues that causes a lot of fear and demoralization in babes in Christ, because they have not been given the gift of tongues and are lead to believe that their salvation is suspect or even that they are not saved.That doctrine is Cancer to the body of Christ.
John 423 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.I need no building and i need not bow to the doctrines of men to worship my Father in truth, I worship Him right here on this forum by standing up for the truth against an accuser who seeks to undermine the confidence of others in the salvation won for them By the blood of their Messiah Jesus. All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Tallman Lets keep the scripture in context 1Cr 14:5I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1Cr 14:6Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? Even charity is greater than tongues1Cr 13:1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 1Cr 13:8Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. You and I don't agree on what tongues is but irregardless of that .... The point is speaking tongues is not required to be a Christian and you teaching others they must speak tongues to be a christian is no where in scripture .. It may be your religious denomination teaching but its not Gods Words its just simply one of the gifts and it will cease ...But Christianity(believe in Christ) will never cease so you can not have being a Christian tied to a thing that will cease ..
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