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"Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." -- Rev. 3:10-- You don't think this means you miss out on the Tribulation?Fine. Then what does it mean? And for those people -- you know who you are -- that think volume = value or a non-related scripture deluge proves a point, please keep your responses focused.Many thanks.
 

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it means exactly what it says Polar.... But thats not all the Bible says it also says there is nothing new under the Sun ..that all these things were given us as examples (ensamples) so where do we look ? In same place as it happened before ... God chose a people (the Hebrews) and promised to take them to the promised land ... Our promised land is Jesus Christ ... He is coming to deliver us ... And how did God protect these Hebrews from the plagues and the Angel of death (Rev. also has these plagues and the Angel of death)... Their belief in him protected them they marked their doorposts with the lambs blood ... We are to mark our hearts and minds with the blood of our Lamb Jesus Christ ... This is called the seal of God ... Once sealed he will protect his own ... Not by some imagined flyaway doctrine of men which he says he doesn't like (Eze 13:20)but by his power through our faith. God always takes care of his own his way ...Yet humans of little faith have to device some imagined doctrine because they do not have enough faith to trust the Lord ... Who tells us as it was it will be again...
 

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I am sorry Christina, but your post isn't making sense.I know how God protected His chosen people during the plagues, etc. but again, as several times before, you scripture references have nothing to do with what we are talking about. "Not by some imagined flyaway doctrine of men which he says he doesn't like (Eze 13:20)"-- But Ezekiel 13:20 actually says: "Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly."If you read it in context, it has NOTHING to do with this topic. Do you really not understand what is going on in Ezekiel? "He is coming to deliver us ..." -- Christina-- Yes, I got that part.But the scripture says BEFORE the "hour of testing."And to you that means.......?"it means exactly what it says Polar...." -- Christina-- Well gosh, thanks for clearing that one up lol.What it says is that God will keep Christians from the "hour of testing" at the end of times.If that doesn't mean the Tribulation, what does it mean?You have done nothing to answer the one and only question asked in this thread.
 

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You may not understand but I did answer your question exactly .... Who does he say can be hurt during the the tribulation ?Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads So to be protected we must have the seal of God in our foreheads which is what? The exodus is our type for the tribulation the Old tstament is the New testament concealed ..The new testament is the Old Testament revealed they both say the the same things one is our example of the other ....
 

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"Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." -- Rev. 3:10-- Christina, if you read on from your Rev. 9:4 post, Rev. 9:5 states "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man." (In versions other than KJV the word 'torment' is actually 'torture.')Just how can letting those "with the seal of God" on their foreheads be tormented/tortured for five months (years) be construed as keeping someone from "the hour of testing?"If you want to make a literal translation of what you are saying, Christians can be tried during the Tribulation, but "because they have the seal" none of them will fall...
 

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"Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." -- Rev. 3:10-- Christina, if you read on from your Rev. 9:4 post, Rev. 9:5 states "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man." (In versions other than KJV the word 'torment' is actually 'torture.')Just how can letting those "with the seal of God" on their foreheads be tormented/tortured for five months (years) be construed as keeping someone from "the hour of testing?"If you want to make a literal translation of what you are saying, Christians can be tried during the Tribulation, but "because they have the seal" none of them will fall...
Its not 5 years its 5 months if you take 1000 years which is one day to God and do the math 5 months is the same as 1 hour another words 1 hour in 1000 year day is equal to 5 months (earths time) This 5 months is the hour of temptation God shortens the time God often gives times in different formats ..42 months is the same as 3 1/2 years times time and half time is also 3 1/2 years. This is a deep subject ...And its the Elect that will be put on trial ..(mark 13:9 -11)and they are told not to premeditate what they will say as the Holy spirit shall speak through them ...Not all Christians will be put on trial ... and those that are put in prison cant be there more than 10 days. Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
 

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"Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." -- Rev. 3:10-- You don't think this means you miss out on the Tribulation?Fine. Then what does it mean? And for those people -- you know who you are -- that think volume = value or a non-related scripture deluge proves a point, please keep your responses focused.Many thanks.
I agree with Kriss, you cannot single out a single verse and ignore the rest of the bible. alone the verse seems to apply the rapture but when viewed with the rest of the bible it becomes evident that the rapture is an impossibility its time to look up Mathew 24 Mat 24:9- 9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.Jesus is talking to his disciples, in other words christians. Mat-21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat-22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. notice how the elect are still there, and the elect are indeed a group of christians.Its apparent that for the elect to be there they could not be sucked up into the rapture.Revelation 7:9-14 confirms this when it says, "After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.""And all the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell upon their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying: "Amen! The blessing and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength [be] to our God forever and ever. Amen.""And in response one of the elders said to me: "These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?" So right away I said to him: "My lord, you are the one that knows." And he said to me: "These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."Here the angel says that the ones dressed in the white robes "....come out of the Great Tribulation." So again, christians go through the Great Tribulation. and one final thought, if we do not have to go through the tribulation, why does jesus continually warn us to be readymat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken upIf we are expecting a rapture to take us all away before the tribulation, we shall be as unprepared as the householder.evidence of this is not only found in Mathew 24 and revelations but throughout the whole bible. Do not be caught unprepared.
 

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You have a very valid point, Letsgofishing.The reason I posted a single verse is because, if you will read some of the threads around here, some will post a very good point using two or three scriptural supports and someone else will claim they are completely wrong...using a single obscure scripture taken out of context.The only thing worse is what someone here called the danger of knowing "a little bit of Greek." People here who do not speak Greek found someone on a web site stating that key words in a scripture that others have based an event on don't mean what they actually mean because "in the Greek..."Rev. 3:10 states something flat out:"Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth."So....What is "the hour of testing" that the scripture speaks of?
 

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"Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." -- Rev. 3:10-- You don't think this means you miss out on the Tribulation?Fine. Then what does it mean?
That verse is from addressing a church.. one of seven.As much as fables abound on this site, I find it surprisingly lacking in stating when that judgment of fire will come. Judgment must fall on the House of God first. God addressing those seven churches proved it. If you cannot see when 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 and Hebrews 12:1-29 is to take place, then you cannot see the meaning of this other singular foretelling verse to another one of those seven churches below.Revelation 2: 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.So if you want to discuss that verse, then take all the instructions to those seven churches and the consequences thereof into consideration.Many wayward believers will be left behind where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, but the Lord will finish His work even in them as vessels unto dishonour for they had been bought with a price and sealed as His.
Who does he say can be hurt during the the tribulation ?Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads So to be protected we must have the seal of God in our foreheads which is what? The exodus is our type for the tribulation the Old tstament is the New testament concealed ..The new testament is the Old Testament revealed they both say the the same things one is our example of the other ....
Revelation 9 is speaking of the judgment on the bad guys during the great tribulation from which believers will not receive, but believers will die for their faith in Christ. That has been referenced several times to happen during the great tribulation... so I fail to see that as keeping them from the hour that try all on the earth but aqs judgment on the House of God where God will continue to work in them in that this verse will come about.Revelation 12:10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.So once those doors are shut at the marriage supper of the lamb, the devil shall have no further access to accuse for the elect are presented faultless. Verse 11 is to those left behind and verse 12 shows that short time to be the hour that shall try all on the earth. May God cause the increase.
 

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As much as fables abound on this site, I find it surprisingly lacking in stating when that judgment of fire will come. Judgment must fall on the House of God first. God addressing those seven churches proved it. If you cannot see when 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 and Hebrews 12:1-29 is to take place, then you cannot see the meaning of this other singular foretelling verse to another one of those seven churches below.
With all due respect, apparently you don't read very much, then.http://www.christianityboard.com/to...the-curse-in-the-end-times-rapture-believers/I suppose it's more of this selective reading that seems to accompany the Rapturists. Generally they don't like it when you use "too much Scripture" and when you make the obvious connections between verses that speak from different perspectives about the same trump.The entire problem with the poor supposition here is that God has to take someone away in order for His protection to be effective. If you want to use the above verse to illustrate taking things out of context, we've got a gem of an example. Did God take Noah out of the flood or did he instruct him to build an ark to save some? Did God take the Israelites away from Pharoah, or did he defy physics and part the sea? Did God not stand with Shadrach, Meshch and Abednego in the fiery furnace? How dare you suggest that Almighty God has to remove to protect! How dare you assign a false weakness to YHVH! God needed no rapture to get out any of the above, and he won't need one. The one taken in the field is the fool that thinks they'll be raptured out of here, ignoring what is written right there in front of them in Matthew 24. Blessed is the servant doing his/her job! (IE: Not wishing to be flown away when it gets a bit too hot.)Let's go! Bring it on, I'll be happy to be here to serve my Lord. I've been given the armor to do so, as have others. The fighting is coming, the Lord will fight it through us, and we already have the victory. It is just a matter of standing fast! The fire is the Lord (Deuteronomy 4:24, Deuteronomy 9:3, Hebrews 12:29), so why should we as his children fear that fire! Just as it did for the three companions in Daniel, it will burn around us (II Peter), it will melt the elements, and we will be left and refined (Malachi 3).
Revelation 17:12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Revelation 18:10Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
There is the hour! It is when those lost of the world -- some of which will certainly consider themselves Christians -- will fall for the lamb that speaks as a dragon (Revelation 13:11). For there is only one dragon and he is clearly identified in Revelation 12! There is only one Lamb, but there is an imposter that looks the part, but has no business being the part. He is surrounded by confusion and babel, some of which falsely purveys itself as Christianity. When that Anti-Christ (Greek literally instead of Christ) shows up, some will follow him, and unfortunately for many the rapture plays right into this. I only hope that eyes to see and ears to hear will sharpen up before it is too late.
 

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With all due respect, apparently you don't read very much, then.http://www.christianityboard.com/to...the-curse-in-the-end-times-rapture-believers/I suppose it's more of this selective reading that seems to accompany the Rapturists. Generally they don't like it when you use "too much Scripture" and when you make the obvious connections between verses that speak from different perspectives about the same trump.
I shall give the link a click and read, God be willing. Thanks for the link. And I do not believe every body reads everything in a forum except those that run it.
The entire problem with the poor supposition here is that God has to take someone away in order for His protection to be effective.
No. That is not what I had posted by His grace. In regards to Polar, judgment must fall on the House of God first. This is the seperating of the vessels of honour from the vessels of dishonour in the House of God. In regards to Christina, God can pour out His bowls of judgment that will not harm the believers that were left behind, but the beast will make war with the saints as the saints will not love their lives unto death. The saints be they that were slain under the altar.
If you want to use the above verse to illustrate taking things out of context, we've got a gem of an example. Did God take Noah out of the flood or did he instruct him to build an ark to save some?
If you are referring to 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 and Hebrews 12:1-29 from my quote in your post, then you have lost me, but if you are referring to Polar's verse in the OP, then okay. If you consider that Jesus is Our Ark, then yeah. Those sons of disobedience will be without. Remember the Passover. Apply that as what Jesus has done for us for those that believe, mixed with faith to cease from their own works as God did from His to enter into that rest. Hebrews 4:1-16
Did God take the Israelites away from Pharoah, or did he defy physics and part the sea?
Both... since alot of plagues had to occur to get the Pharoah to let them go. And yet the blood of the lamb while they were in their homes, protected them as those elect Christ bring to the Father's mansion will protect them. John 14:1-6 The fact that many shall fall away from the faith shows the penalty for the sons of disobedience for climbing up another way so that they may be restored to the path of righteousness for His name's sake at His appearing.
Did God not stand with Shadrach, Meshch and Abednego in the fiery furnace?
Hebrews 12:1-29 and 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 testifies that God will stand with those left behind for the prodigal son is still son.
How dare you suggest that Almighty God has to remove to protect! How dare you assign a false weakness to YHVH! God needed no rapture to get out any of the above, and he won't need one. The one taken in the field is the fool that thinks they'll be raptured out of here, ignoring what is written right there in front of them in Matthew 24. Blessed is the servant doing his/her job! (IE: Not wishing to be flown away when it gets a bit too hot.)
I forgive you, brother for the implication on your part towards me, but you are forgetting one important thing. Judgment will fall on the House of God first. It does not happen upon His return in setting up His kingdom. The seperating of the vessel unto honour from the vessel unto dishonour. Jesus made this promise to His disciples.. as well as to the elect John 14:1-3 That is a specific place where Jesus is now. That is where the elect will sit down with the OT saints at the marriage supper: Luke 13:24-30 Those are the saints that returns with Christ.Remmember those slain under the altar? They be those that come out of the great tribulation. So where is the place that the Lord provided for them? Why then are they to wait?
Let's go! Bring it on, I'll be happy to be here to serve my Lord. I've been given the armor to do so, as have others. The fighting is coming, the Lord will fight it through us, and we already have the victory. It is just a matter of standing fast! The fire is the Lord (Deuteronomy 4:24, Deuteronomy 9:3, Hebrews 12:29), so why should we as his children fear that fire! Just as it did for the three companions in Daniel, it will burn around us (II Peter), it will melt the elements, and we will be left and refined (Malachi 3).
Hebrews 12:29 is the fire that will scourge every child He receives so that they may be partakers of His holiness.
There is the hour! It is when those lost of the world -- some of which will certainly consider themselves Christians -- will fall for the lamb that speaks as a dragon (Revelation 13:11). For there is only one dragon and he is clearly identified in Revelation 12! There is only one Lamb, but there is an imposter that looks the part, but has no business being the part. He is surrounded by confusion and babel, some of which falsely purveys itself as Christianity. When that Anti-Christ (Greek literally instead of Christ) shows up, some will follow him, and unfortunately for many the rapture plays right into this. I only hope that eyes to see and ears to hear will sharpen up before it is too late.
Some clarity is needed on your part.Are you referring to those that seek after the Holy Spirit when He is already in them as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus? Are you referring to those that believe in Christ but engage in confusion and babel, having fallen away from their faith? When the rapture shows up, how will that aid the "enemy" in the great tribulation if his followers are there?As much emphasis you have on the urgency of the matter, then why are you all wasting time on fables? How does that help against the enemy? For all of its importance, how come fables have its own section and not that?I really believe that God is going to cast judgment on the House of God first. If believers, wayward or otherwise, want to see it as some wimp out falsehood concocted by man, then I guess we shall have to wait and see. As it is, Jesus said that it will be so bad before His appearing that only a few will find the faith... and that was towards the deceptions of the perilous times, not towards the great tribulation. All eyes will be on the mark of the beast to survive by the New World Order or not. No one can be tricked into taking the mark. Do consider that.
 

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Both... since alot of plagues had to occur to get the Pharoah to let them go. And yet the blood of the lamb while they were in their homes, protected them as those elect Christ bring to the Father's mansion will protect them. John 14:1-6 The fact that many shall fall away from the faith shows the penalty for the sons of disobedience for climbing up another way so that they may be restored to the path of righteousness for His name's sake at His appearing.
And this is where language sometimes fails us. No, the answer is certainly not both. My illustration here is for the rapture, so please do remember that is the ultimate topic at hand. The rapture, of course, being defined as thepre-tribulational rapture where God "raptures" his elect. The simple matter is that the Israelites were never raptured away from Egypt. God was right there with them in the middle of it; he didn't pull them up into the clouds and set them down in the promised land.
I forgive you, brother for the implication on your part towards me, but you are forgetting one important thing. Judgment will fall on the House of God first. It does not happen upon His return in setting up His kingdom. The seperating of the vessel unto honour from the vessel unto dishonour. Jesus made this promise to His disciples.. as well as to the elect John 14:1-3 That is a specific place where Jesus is now. That is where the elect will sit down with the OT saints at the marriage supper: Luke 13:24-30 Those are the saints that returns with Christ.
Let's go to Scripture on that; you go after me for my clarity, yet your posts are full of assumptions that you never even take the time to backup. I simply call it like I see it.
I Thessalonians 4:15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
In other words, we will be here until the coming of the Lord. Some may perish in death, but others will be here. This is the moment of separation which is known as the Lord's day.As to "forgetting" that judgment comes first; that absolutely makes no sense. Obviously I am not forgetting that, given that you can easily search my post to see I've used a similar phrase more than a dozen times. Here again, you take a simple fact and change it up to suit your purposes; judgment beginning first does not, on its own, supply a timeline. All we know from Scripture is that it happens first when Christ returns. As I supplied with Scripture above, there will still be Christians here, so obviously the judgment couldn't be complete at that point. It doesn't take a scholar to understand that statement. I could ask a child to read that statement and then ask him where some Christians will be, and he can tell me. Stick to the Word.
Are you referring to those that seek after the Holy Spirit when He is already in them as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus? Are you referring to those that believe in Christ but engage in confusion and babel, having fallen away from their faith?
Frankly, I don't know how to make it any clearer. I'm referring to the phonies that walk around trumpeting rapture and preaching rapture from pulpits and soapboxes. These will be people who feel themselves Christian and think they're helping their brothers and sisters. Whether these folks were Christians or not, I don't know, I am not the judge of that.
As much emphasis you have on the urgency of the matter, then why are you all wasting time on fables? How does that help against the enemy? For all of its importance, how come fables have its own section and not that?
Ignorance is indeed bliss, as they say.The Word is not fables, and again, the selective reading habit of yours grows old. We have just as many (and technically more studies on the single subject) as any of our other studies.No one can be tricked? That's quite funny, since Satan has worked deceit since day one! WAKE UP!
 

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Why would anyone want to be taken out of the way??????Its like 10 minutes before the superbowl and you just put on all your gear,,,,you put your gloves on throw some paint under your eyes,,,,slid your helmet on and go running out the lockerroom and as soon as you see the field and start to hear the fans "BOOM"!!! your gone......What a jip.....There would be no reason to put on the full armor of God if there was no battle.......
 

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El's Holy Injiyl ~ The Book Of Revelation In The Original Aramic Chapter One Verse 1-3 Message Of Confirmation To The World That The Book Of Revelation Is The Book Given To The Messiah Jesus Which Thehos Gave To His Faithful Disciple John . Verse 1 - 3 . The Revelation Of Ha Mashiakh , Yashu'a Which Yahweh Of The Eloheem Gave To Him , In Order For Him To Teach His Servants , About That Which Must Happen Very Quickly , And To Record And Send It By Way Of My ( Yowkhanan ) Hands , Through His Malak ( Malkiy Tsedeq ) For His Servant ( Yowkhanan Bar Zebedee ) The News Bearer . Verse 2 . The Newsbearer Yowkhanan Testified By Way Of The Word Of Yahweh Of The Eloheem , And A Testimony Of Ha Mashiakh , In All The Affairs Which ( Yowkhanan Bar Zebedee ) Saw . Verse 3 . Blessings Will Come To Womever Reads , And Listen To The Dawbar ' Words ' Of This Nabawa 'Prophecy 'Contained In The Book Of Revelation ; And Shamariym 'Guards ' The Writing In It And The Time Is Already Coming Near . El's Holy Injiyl ~ The Book Of Revelation Original Aramic Chapter ThreeVerse 10 . Because You Have Kept The Words Of My Patience By Living By All The Scriptures . So Surely I Also Will Protect You , From The Time Of Great Trials Which Will Come Upon All Those Who Dwell On The Planet Earth , To Test The Inhabitants Of It . Understanding Of The Above Verse 10 . Because You Have Kept The Words Of My . Yahweh's Scriptures , Of My Patience By Staying On The Path And By Living By The Scriptures . So Surely I Also Will Protect You . Ones Of Peace , From The Time And Hour Of Great Trials Of The Earthquakes , Hurricances , Tornadoes , Droughts , Depletion Of The Ozone Layer . Seasons Occurring Out Of Sync . And The Production Of Man - Made Diseases Which Will Come Upon All The World And To Those Who Dwell On The Planet Earth . To Test The Inhabitan Of It .
 

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Revelation 310Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.The above words in bold are both strong's number 5083 Strong's G5083 - tēreōτηρέωTransliterationtēreō Pronunciationtā-re'-ō (Key)Part of Speechverb Root Word (Etymology)from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to G2334)1) to attend to carefully, take care ofa) to guardb) metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he isc) to observed) to reserve: to undergo somethingLet's look at the scripture again.10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.Because the overcomers have guarded/observed/take care of the Word of my Patience(doctrine, teaching)..He will guard/observe/take care of you during the hour of temptation....This temptation will come upon ALL the world not just a few here and there.This is the same hour here---Revelation 17...12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.The elevnth hour parable in Mathew 20,ties in with this also.
 

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CRUSHSECRET;70762]Why would anyone want to be taken out of the way??????Its like 10 minutes before the superbowl and you just put on all your gear said:
Exactly...Why would He rapture out the "A" team and leave the "B" team to play the Superbowl?
 

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Polar;69788 said:
...What it says is that God will keep Christians from the "hour of testing" at the end of times..
One of the important parts of reading Scripture, actually an important part of reading anything, is to be aware of the Subject as well as the Object. The letter in Revelation 3: 7-13 is written to the Assembly in Philadelphia. It is those members of THAT Assembly that will be "kept thee from the hour of temptation." And that is because THEY, the Assembly of Philadelphia has, "kept the word of my patience." They are not "flying anywhere." Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. This letter is not written to all Assemblies, just to this one. Remember, subject and object.The "hour of testing," is Satans tribulation (it comes before the Great Tribulation). The Assembly of Philadelphia is not tested because they are not fooled by Satan.
 

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Some very good posts here put very well gervais the churchs of Smryna and Philadelphia are the only two churches God was pleased with. Thses are types of churches today that teach these same truths you stated.Here: The "hour of testing," is Satans tribulation (it comes before the Great Tribulation). The Assembly of Philadelphia is not tested because they are not fooled by Satan. I assume by the great Tribulation you are referring to Gods tribulation at the 7th(last trump) which is waged aginst Satan and his not the faithful that understood the truth you stated. God Bless
 

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El's Holy Injiyl ~ The Book Of Revelation In The Original Aramic Chapter One Verse 1-3 Message Of Confirmation To The World That The Book Of Revelation Is The Book Given To The Messiah Jesus Which Thehos Gave To His Faithful Disciple John . Verse 1 - 3 . The Revelation Of Ha Mashiakh , Yashu'a Which Yahweh Of The Eloheem Gave To Him , In Order For Him To Teach His Servants , About That Which Must Happen Very Quickly , And To Record And Send It By Way Of My ( Yowkhanan ) Hands , Through His Malak ( Malkiy Tsedeq ) For His Servant ( Yowkhanan Bar Zebedee ) The News Bearer . Verse 2 . The Newsbearer Yowkhanan Testified By Way Of The Word Of Yahweh Of The Eloheem , And A Testimony Of Ha Mashiakh , In All The Affairs Which ( Yowkhanan Bar Zebedee ) Saw . Verse 3 . Blessings Will Come To Womever Reads , And Listen To The Dawbar ' Words ' Of This Nabawa 'Prophecy 'Contained In The Book Of Revelation ; And Shamariym 'Guards ' The Writing In It And The Time Is Already Coming Near . El's Holy Injiyl ~ The Book Of Revelation Original Aramic Chapter Three Verse Ten. And I Quote ; Because You Have Kept The Words Of My Patience By Living By All The Scriptures . So Surely I Also Will Protect You , From The Time Of Great Trials Which Will Come Upon All Those Who Dwell On The Planet Earth , To Test The Inhabitants Of It . Unstanding Of The Above Verse . Because You Have Kept The Words Of My , Yahweh's Scriptures , Of My Patience By Staying On The Path And By Living By All The Scriptures . So Surely I Also Will Protect You . Ones Of Peace , From The Time And Hour Of Great Trials Of The Earthquakes , Hurricanes , Tornadoes , Droughts . Depletion Of The Ozone Layers , Seasons Occurring Out Of Sync . And The Production Of Man ~ Made Diseases Which Will Come Upon Al The World And To Those Who Dwell On The Planet Earth , To Test The Inhabitants Of It
 

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Christina;72705]Some very good posts here put very well gervais the churchs of Smryna and Philadelphia are the only two churches God was pleased with. Thses are types of churches today that teach these same truths you stated.Here: [I]The "hour of testing said:
I assume by the great Tribulation you are referring to Gods tribulation at the 7th(last trump) which is waged aginst Satan and his not the faithful that understood the truth you stated. God Bless
True Christians don't have anything to worry about during either tribulation. It's the foolish virgins without enough oil that will need to worry.