WHAT THE CHURCH HAS TO LOSE

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It may be desirable for the church, the body, to have the physical blessings given to Israel, but the riches of Christ would be lost.

The church, the body of Christ, in this dispensation has not been given the new covenant, nor in fact, any covenant. If that would be the case, then we need to examine what the new covenant is and how that would affect our understanding of what the church has in Christ.


Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

This is the new covenant which God made with the house of Israel, not with the church, the body of Christ.

Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

The body of Christ was not promised a land.

36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

If the church is in the new covenant, then we are declared to be unclean. The church, however has been cleansed in Christ (Ephesians 5:26).

36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

The church does not have any fathers and we don't have any land. The church has a position in the heavenly places; being placed in the covenant would rob us of our spiritual blessings (Ephesians 1:3).

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

The times of refreshing is the coming of the Lord. Israel is waiting for their salvation when Christ comes. Saying that the church is under the new covenant denies that the church has forgiveness in Christ now (Ephesians 1:7).

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Israel's salvation is future, and putting the church in the covenant would rob us of the power of God for our salvation which we have now (Romans 1:16).

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Jesus says it is the "covenant unto them", which is Israel, not the church.
 
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I think current theology is pushing the church out the door.

They mock a pre-trib rapture, and they themselves are pushing the church into heaven.

It is time so keep preaching that God is returning to the Nation of Israel, because this is the time the Nation of Israel needs to hear the good news, because the church is leaving very soon.
 

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They mock a pre-trib rapture, and they themselves are pushing the church into heaven.
It is time so keep preaching that God is returning to the Nation of Israel, because this is the time the Nation of Israel needs to hear the good news, because the church is leaving very soon.

LOL You hope!
Don't count on it, be prepared to be here for the long haul.
 
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It may be desirable for the church, the body,
to have the physical blessings given to Israel,
but the riches of Christ would be lost.
How, then, would it be 'desirable' ?

Even to "gain the whole world", but to "lose their soul"(s) ? (as Jesus warns against, many still do)
 

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The church, the body of Christ, in this dispensation has not been given the new covenant, nor in fact, any covenant.
Why are you obsessed with promoting this FALLACY? If you reject the truth, you will be given a strong delusion to believe the lie.
 

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How, then, would it be 'desirable' ?

Even to "gain the whole world", but to "lose their soul"(s) ? (as Jesus warns against, many still do)
Desirable in the sense as to understand why some would want the covenants to be for them....for the physical benefits of wealth and healing.
 

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Desirable in the sense as to understand why some would want the covenants to be for them....for the physical benefits of wealth and healing.
The NT was not about any single person or group. It was for the whole world. The whole world is selfishly in sin.
 

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Desirable in the sense as to understand why some would want the covenants to be for them....for the physical benefits of wealth and healing.
I don't remember thinking of covenants of God for His People as being so much for physical things at all,
as for healing(salvation) of the soul, renewing of the mind, restoration of the spirit, in Christ jesus.

The manifestations of spirit, may and often did include physical healing, OT and NT,

but the prosperity in worldly goods is rejected by the saints in the NT, it is renounced and given up all the time, as a necessity of doing so is verified by Jesus Himself. (and seen first in the Apostles, and then also in the first assembly of Ekklesia as written, etc) .
 

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I don't remember thinking of covenants of God for His People as being so much for physical things at all,
as for healing(salvation) of the soul, renewing of the mind, restoration of the spirit, in Christ jesus.

The manifestations of spirit, may and often did include physical healing, OT and NT,

but the prosperity in worldly goods is rejected by the saints in the NT, it is renounced and given up all the time, as a necessity of doing so is verified by Jesus Himself. (and seen first in the Apostles, and then also in the first assembly of Ekklesia as written, etc) .
Thanks for the reply