After pestilences the next sign listed in Luke is great signs in the Sky

dad · Apr 21, 2020

Timtofly said:
Covid19 is the first seal that starts Revelation and the time of tribulation and sorrows.

I would not say it is just ww3. It is a world wide war.

It isn't a war. It is a disease.

It is brother against brother. State against state. It will be on all levels. There will be no where to hide, but hopefully in our houses with a united will in the Holy Spirit, letting God be our shield in time of trouble.

Being somewhat restricted temporarily does not mean the end of the world. Or even that brother kills brother.

Being prepared is having peace offerings. When your neighbors rise against you, have a peace offering to give them.

?? Pacifying people who are about to attack you (rise up against you) with little bribes is being prepared?

Do not just give them away, but only when and if they come against you.

Makes no sense to me. A strong man armed keepeth his goods in peace. Those who try to bribe attackers with crumbs might find that the attackers will not settle for that offering.

Timtofly · Apr 21, 2020

dad said:
It isn't a war. It is a disease.

Being somewhat restricted temporarily does not mean the end of the world. Or even that brother kills brother.
?? Pacifying people who are about to attack you (rise up against you) with little bribes is being prepared?

Makes no sense to me. A strong man armed keepeth his goods in peace. Those who try to bribe attackers with crumbs might find that the attackers will not settle for that offering.

Covid19 is not a disease, it is an all attack on every human on earth. Diseases wipe out whole populations. This is two people standing in a field, one left, the other taken. Two lying in a bed, one left, the other taken.

If an offering is not enough, you are dead either way. Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword. Proverbs 21:14
"A gift in secret pacifieth anger, and a gift in the bosom, great wrath."

Enoch111 · Apr 21, 2020

dad said:
If this virus/pestilence is a sign, the next thing we might expect is great signs in the heaven.

No this corona virus is not a sign. It should be noted that the cataclysmic cosmic events occur AFTER the Great Tribulation (the judgments of the 7th seal).

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Mt 24:29)

Timtofly · Apr 21, 2020

This is not the Great Tribulation. This is just a minor tribulation. After this minor one, no human on earth will have an excuse. There will be no more faith. It will all be sight!!

dad · Apr 21, 2020

Timtofly said:
Covid19 is not a disease, it is an all attack on every human on earth. Diseases wipe out whole populations. This is two people standing in a field, one left, the other taken. Two lying in a bed, one left, the other taken.

? All diseases affect some but not others as much. No standing in fields needed. You are misapplying bible verses.

If an offering is not enough, you are dead either way.

Or they might be, whatever.

Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword. Proverbs 21:14
"A gift in secret pacifieth anger, and a gift in the bosom, great wrath."

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Neither give place to the devil.

dad · Apr 21, 2020

Enoch111 said:
No this corona virus is not a sign. It should be noted that the cataclysmic cosmic events occur AFTER the Great Tribulation (the judgments of the 7th seal).

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Mt 24:29)

Nonsense. There are signs all through the last time. Ever since Jesus was here. There are also some signs that mark the beginning of that last seven years. There are also some after, as you mentioned. That does not mean there are no other signs but after!

Enoch111 · Apr 21, 2020

dad said:
Nonsense. There are signs all through the last time.

Since I quoted the words of Christ, the nonsense is in your beliefs. The Great Tribulation has not occurred, and it is a unique one-time event which will never be repeated. It is only after that period that there will be cataclysmic cosmic events. But you are free to believe whatever you wish.

dad · Apr 21, 2020

Enoch111 said:
Since I quoted the words of Christ, the nonsense is in your beliefs. The Great Tribulation has not occurred, and it is a unique one-time event which will never be repeated. It is only after that period that there will be cataclysmic cosmic events. But you are free to believe whatever you wish.

Rubbish. The prophecy you quoted was about the very end part of the Tribulation. That does not mean there are no signs anywhere or any other time. For you to get self-righteous about being wrong it telling.

Before that time we see that at the beginning of sorrows there are GREAT signs in the heavens. (also Jesus talking)

Keraz · Apr 21, 2020

dad said:
This could lead to a big war. Now if that was the case it well could be the war in that group of signs that lead into the seven years. Those signs I see in all three gospels. (War, (famines, earthquakes, pestilences) and great signs in the heavens. If that is correct that these signs mark the beginning of sorrows, that is what I suspect we may see. A big world war followed by (depending where in the world we are as to the order) earthquakes, food shortages, biological diseases, and great signs in the heavens.

Timtofly said:
I would not say it is just ww3. It is a world wide war. It is brother against brother. State against state. It will be on all levels. There will be no where to hide, but hopefully in our houses with a united will in the Holy Spirit, letting God be our shield in time of trouble.

You both and many others, think there will be a nuke war to commence the end times.
This is unscriptural thinking, old cold war theory and mistaken extrapolation of the current situation.

Bible prophecy is quite clear; there will be no war, the Lord will arise and destroy the enemies. Ezekiel 7:14, Isaiah 42:14-15, Isaiah 63:1-6, +
How He will do this, is told to us in Isaiah 30:25-30. His fiery wrath will be triggered by the commencement of an attack upon Israel by an Islamic confederation, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 It will change the world and lead up to the glorious Return of Jesus.

dad · Apr 21, 2020

Keraz said:
You both and many others, think there will be a nuke war to commence the end times.
This is unscriptural thinking, old cold war theory and mistaken extrapolation of the current situation.

I didn't say that. But I would not rule out nuclear exchange.

Bible prophecy is quite clear; there will be no war, the Lord will arise and destroy the enemies. Ezekiel 7:14, Isaiah 42:14-15, Isaiah 63:1-6, +

Yeah, but a lot happens before that! Such as a third of the population and trees and grass dying. Such as all the trees and grass dying and over half the population dead in these two events.

There will also be lots of wars!

Keraz · Apr 22, 2020

dad said:
I didn't say that. But I would not rule out nuclear exchange.
Yeah, but a lot happens before that! Such as a third of the population and trees and grass dying. Such as all the trees and grass dying and over half the population dead in these two events.

There will also be lots of wars!

Actually there won't be any wars at all! Only attacks, where the Lord will act to destroy His enemies.

There is a lot of talk about World War 3, the Gog/Magog War, Armageddon, etc. The actual fact is – they are not wars at all! They are all events where God uses seemingly natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, hailstorms, plagues and sunstrikes to destroy enemy armies. The exception is when Jesus uses the Sword of His Word at His Return.

The so called next Mid East war or W.W. 3:
Micah 4:11-12 Now many nations are massed against Israel.....They do not know the Lord's purpose, for He has gathered them for the threshing.

Psalms 83:13-15 Scatter Your enemies, O God, like thistledown, like chaff before the wind, like a fire raging through the forested hills. Pursue them with Your tempest, terrify them with Your storm winds.

2 Samuel 22:9-16 The earth quaked, shaking because of the Lord’s anger. Smoke and devouring fire issued from Him. He parted the heavens and came down, thick darkness His covering. God thundered from heaven, lightning shafts flashed.

Psalms 50:1-3 The Lord is coming, a consuming fire, around Him a great storm rages.

Zechariah 9:14 The Lord will appear over them, His arrows flashing like lightning.

Isaiah 29:6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord, with fire, etc.

Habakkuk 3:14 With his own weapon, You pierced his head, as they stormed out to fight

Joel 1:15 The Day of the Lord is near, it comes, a mighty destruction from the Almighty

Revelation 6:12-17 The Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, there was a violent earthquake ..terrible signs in the heavens. The great Day of the Lord’s wrath has come and who can stand?

Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine 7 times brighter on the Day the Lord saves His people.

A Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about the forthcoming actual Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.

The Gog, Magog attack:
Ezekiel 38:19-22 I shall bring them to judgement with pestilence and bloodshed. I shall pour torrential rain and hailstorms as well as fire and brimstone on them all. In My anger, there will be a great earthquake in Israel that day. Terror will strike the hearts of Gog’s armies and his men will turn their swords against one another.

Joel 2:20 I shall remove the Northern peril far from you and banish them into the desert. The stench and foul smell of them will rise up.

Armageddon – at the Return of Jesus:
Revelation 19:15-21 Out of His mouth came a sharp sword to smite the nations.

Zechariah 14:12-15 The Lord will strike with plague all the nations who warred against Israel

Daniel 11:45 The Anti Christ will camp between the sea and Jerusalem and there, he will meet his end, with no one to help him.

End of the Millennium:
Rev 20:7-10 When the 1000 years has ended, Satan will seduce the nations. They lay siege to God’s city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them. Ref: REB. Verses abridged.

What God requires of His people, is trust and faith that He will deliver and protect them. They must be prepared to take advantage of any situation, but with fervent prayer for the Lords deliverance, trusting in His provision for them.

Isaiah 30:15 In calm detachment lies your safety, your strength in quiet trust.

Psalm 37:1-29 Trust in the Lord and do good, settle in the Land, find good pasture. Commit your ways to the Lord, trust in Him and He will act.
His righteous people will inherit the Land and will live there forever.

Isaiah 25:9 On that day, the people will say: See, this is our God, we waited for Him, and He has delivered us. This is the God whom we have trusted, we will rejoice.

Jeremiah 39:18 I shall keep you safe, you will not be killed, because you trusted in Me.

dad · Apr 22, 2020

Keraz said:
Actually there won't be any wars at all! Only attacks, where the Lord will act to destroy His enemies.

There is a lot of talk about World War 3, the Gog/Magog War, Armageddon, etc. The actual fact is – they are not wars at all! They are all events where God uses seemingly natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, hailstorms, plagues and sunstrikes to destroy enemy armies. The exception is when Jesus uses the Sword of His Word at His Return.

Actually you do not know what you are talking about. In the last seven years there are wars. For e3xample the king of the north and king of the south. Israel invaded..etc. Nothing to do with God fighting. God fights at the very end.

A Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about the forthcoming actual Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.

You can guess and dream and make stuff up all day if you like. Remember not to post it as serious material.

What God requires of His people, is trust and faith that He will deliver and protect them. They must be prepared to take advantage of any situation, but with fervent prayer for the Lords deliverance, trusting in His provision for them.

Great. So? This is news?

dad · Apr 22, 2020

Timtofly · Apr 23, 2020

Keraz said:
You both and many others, think there will be a nuke war to commence the end times.
This is unscriptural thinking, old cold war theory and mistaken extrapolation of the current situation.

Bible prophecy is quite clear; there will be no war, the Lord will arise and destroy the enemies. Ezekiel 7:14, Isaiah 42:14-15, Isaiah 63:1-6, +
How He will do this, is told to us in Isaiah 30:25-30. His fiery wrath will be triggered by the commencement of an attack upon Israel by an Islamic confederation, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 It will change the world and lead up to the glorious Return of Jesus.

Unless every house in the neighborhood happens to have a nuke handy, this is not about WW3, as I stated. There will be states in each country at war with each other. That is what I am attempting at.

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