Reincarnation of Elijah

Timtofly said:

John the Baptist had the spirit of Elijah on him, not in him. It just means there was more authority, even than the priest in the temple. What does paganism have to do with the Bible?

It was the authority of Elijah, Jesus was addressing, not John the Baptist as a man.

Elijah could not save people from their sins. There was only a continuous repentance and confession, and done in a manner that was not in private, but in the sight of many people.

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John the Baptist had the spirit of Elijah on him, not in him. It just means there was more authority, even than the priest in the temple.

Again, the wonderful thing about beliefs is that you can believe whatever you want….but the exactness of what was going on with John the Baptist is not well defined in scriptures.

What does paganism have to do with the Bible?

We are discussing the conversation that Yeshua had with His Apostle regard who people thought He was. They brought up the possibility of reincarnation. You can give it another name if you want, but the answers He received described the possibility that He was someone that had died….they did not just include Elijah. And Christ did not say the concept was absurd.

It was the authority of Elijah, Jesus was addressing, not John the Baptist as a man.

Christ did not say who’s authority it was….He dodged the question.

Elijah could not save people from their sins.

Correct, but he could forgive sins through the baptism of remission of sins.

There was only a continuous repentance and confession, and done in a manner that was not in private, but in the sight of many people.

If you are talking about John the Baptist….I agree. If you are talking about Christ….that is later on. Confession? That is a whole different discussion.

Attention Christians, one need to understand waht "Translated" means. Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God". translated here is the Greek word,
G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v.
1. to transfer.
2. (literally) to transport.
3. (by implication) to exchange.
4. (reflexively) to change sides.
5. (figuratively) to pervert.
[from G3326 and G5087]
KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn
Root(s): G3326, G5087

not translate in a "CHANGE" of nature to enter heaven... no, but to be "moved" or transported from one location to another. so no Elijah, nor Enoch went into the third heaven where God is at ... as in heaven. no.

now lets see this same type of "TRANSLATION"/TRANSPORT in the New Testament. so that you can clearly understand.

The BOOK of Acts, the angel sends Philip to teach and baptize the Ethiopian Eunuch, and after his witness to the Eunuch listen what happens,
Acts 8:39 "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 "But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea”.

see, just like Enoch and Elijah their LIVES was spared from "DEATH", by moving/transporting them to another part or place on the planet.

here, Philip was found at Azotus, after being taken away from the Eunuch, for the Greek word for caught away is G726 ἁρπάζω harpazo (har-pa'-zō) v.
to seize.
{in various applications}
[from a derivative of G138]
KJV: catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force)
Root(s): G138

the same word many use in the so-called Rapture theory. Philip was caught away but was found. where right here on old planet ... earth.

PICJAG.

APAK said:

GH: I do try to use scripture whenever I make statements as I did. Let me know if you want me to add scripture. I could add more scripture to connect them or tie it all together ..maybe that might not satisfy though...

Anyway thanks for your reply, although the word of God says implicitly and very strongly by explicit statements of what John actually did do...and that John never had authority to forgive sin. He did however show the people to repentance with a water baptism that does not actually save....John could not bring the baptism of the Spirit into someone, that was reserved for the Father as always, then Christ and then his followers per scripture.... By the time distress hit Jerusalem and the departure of all followers ensued, unbelievers became baptized in the Spirit into the Body directly by ANY spirited believer or group of believers as the instrument(s) of the Father, or by direct intervention of the Father in his miraculous ways.

Blessings,

APAK

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Anyway thanks for your reply, although the word of God says implicitly and very strongly by explicit statements of what John actually did do...and that John never had authority to forgive sin.

This is completely incorrect. Repentance is associated with John's baptisms for the remission of sins.

John did not perform the baptism of the Spirit because that is the processes of total salvation. But John did forgive sins.

Grailhunter said:

John the Baptist had the spirit of Elijah on him, not in him. It just means there was more authority, even than the priest in the temple.

Again, the wonderful thing about beliefs is that you can believe whatever you want….but the exactness of what was going on with John the Baptist is not well defined in scriptures.

What does paganism have to do with the Bible?

We are discussing the conversation that Yeshua had with His Apostle regard who people thought He was. They brought up the possibility of reincarnation. You can give it another name if you want, but the answers He received described the possibility that He was someone that had died….they did not just include Elijah. And Christ did not say the concept was absurd.

It was the authority of Elijah, Jesus was addressing, not John the Baptist as a man.

Christ did not say who’s authority it was….He dodged the question.

Elijah could not save people from their sins.

Correct, but he could forgive sins through the baptism of remission of sins.

There was only a continuous repentance and confession, and done in a manner that was not in private, but in the sight of many people.

If you are talking about John the Baptist….I agree. If you are talking about Christ….that is later on. Confession? That is a whole different discussion.

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Good reply Grailhunter this is what good bible study do, correct the spirit of Elijah was not in John but on John, meaning his characteristics, or ways.

and as for the authority, Grailhunter right again, listen to the scriptures, Luke 20:1 "And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,
Luke 20:2 "And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority?
Luke 20:3 "And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me:
Luke 20:4 "The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?
Luke 20:5 "And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not?
Luke 20:6 "But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet.
Luke 20:7 "And they answered, that they could not tell whence it was.
Luke 20:8 "And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

just like Grailhunter stated, "Correct, but he could forgive sins through the baptism of remission of sins".
Elijah could not save people from their sins.

so no, John nor the Lord Jesus dodge any question, and their authority was of God.

please understand, just as confession of Sins are for christians, and not for sinners, neither is Baptisim for christians, but for "sinners"..

once save you don't need to be baptized, (in water), again..... (smile). but with the Spirit... amen.....

PICJAG.

101G said:

Attention Christians, one need to understand waht "Translated" means. Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God". translated here is the Greek word,
G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v.
1. to transfer.
2. (literally) to transport.
3. (by implication) to exchange.
4. (reflexively) to change sides.
5. (figuratively) to pervert.
[from G3326 and G5087]
KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn
Root(s): G3326, G5087

not translate in a "CHANGE" of nature to enter heaven... no, but to be "moved" or transported from one location to another. so no Elijah, nor Enoch went into the third heaven where God is at ... as in heaven. no.

now lets see this same type of "TRANSLATION"/TRANSPORT in the New Testament. so that you can clearly understand.

The BOOK of Acts, the angel sends Philip to teach and baptize the Ethiopian Eunuch, and after his witness to the Eunuch listen what happens,
Acts 8:39 "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 "But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea”.

see, just like Enoch and Elijah their LIVES was spared from "DEATH", by moving/transporting them to another part or place on the planet.

here, Philip was found at Azotus, after being taken away from the Eunuch, for the Greek word for caught away is G726 ἁρπάζω harpazo (har-pa'-zō) v.
to seize.
{in various applications}
[from a derivative of G138]
KJV: catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force)
Root(s): G138

the same word many use in the so-called Rapture theory. Philip was caught away but was found. where right here on old planet ... earth.

PICJAG.

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So you know where on earth Elijah is? You can confirm Elijah died?

Timtofly said:

So you know where on earth Elijah is? You can confirm Elijah died?

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(smile), ok .... (smile again), just go anywhere outside of your house and scoop up some dirt and BINGO you got Elijah, or what's left of him...

PICJAG.

PS, that was not translated with him....... beam Elijah up Scottie...

101G said:

(smile), ok .... (smile again), just go anywhere outside of your house and scoop up some dirt and BINGO you got Elijah, or what's left of him...

PICJAG.

PS, that was not translated with him....... beam Elijah up Scottie...

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Weak proof; according to science I scoop you up as well, bingo you are dead, cause I just proved it. An anonymous ghost is actually posting. Weak argument. Weak proof.

101G said:

Elijah died

PICJAG.

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Show me in Scripture about the death of the prophet Elijah, and I'm not talking about John the Baptist.

101G said:

Good reply Grailhunter this is what good bible study do, correct the spirit of Elijah was not in John but on John, meaning his characteristics, or ways.

and as for the authority, Grailhunter right again, listen to the scriptures, Luke 20:1 "And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,
Luke 20:2 "And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority?
Luke 20:3 "And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me:
Luke 20:4 "The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?
Luke 20:5 "And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not?
Luke 20:6 "But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet.
Luke 20:7 "And they answered, that they could not tell whence it was.
Luke 20:8 "And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

just like Grailhunter stated, "Correct, but he could forgive sins through the baptism of remission of sins".
Elijah could not save people from their sins.

so no, John nor the Lord Jesus dodge any question, and their authority was of God.

please understand, just as confession of Sins are for christians, and not for sinners, neither is Baptisim for christians, but for "sinners"..

once save you don't need to be baptized, (in water), again..... (smile). but with the Spirit... amen.....

PICJAG.

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Beliefs are beliefs.....scriptures are scriptures.....and fact are facts.....The trick is to work your way through all this for understanding.

The scriptures you referenced are good but what you are saying does not make much sense.

lforrest said:

It seems appropriate to say the spirit of Elijah was on him, not in him. I'm not sure why still, it just seems that way.

Perhaps it has something to do with the mantle given to Elisha, symbolic of the authority you mention? When was authority given? It seems not until after Elijah was taken, as he used the mantle to split the water. It is quite mysterious, and what was the double portion, and why was it difficult?

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I think Elisha is recorded as preforming 2X the miracles as Elijah.

Not that I can answer your questions!

Is the problem of understanding, baptism for the remission of sins, the definition of the word remission?

CharismaticLady said:

Show me in Scripture about the death of the prophet Elijah, and I'm not talking about John the Baptist.

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Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment".

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Grailhunter said:

Beliefs are beliefs.....scriptures are scriptures.....and fact are facts.....The trick is to work your way through all this for understanding.

The scriptures you referenced are good but what you are saying does not make much sense.

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well then take your advice, "Work your way through them".

PICJAG.

101G said:

Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment".

PICJAG.

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Right, so show me when Elijah died so far? He hasn't. But when the two witnesses of Revelation show up. They will die then, and be raised in 3 days.

John the Baptist came in the Spirit of Elijah ie, He was authoritative.... he called people on their sh-t. John was fearless as was Elijah. It was in this sense that John was Elijah and not in the reincarnation or any other sense. The scripture has nothing to do with reincarnation; it is another error of heathenism

CharismaticLady said:

Right, so show me when Elijah died so far? He hasn't. But when the two witnesses of Revelation show up. They will die then, and be raised in 3 days.

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GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks again for the same question, last time, listen, Matthew 17:10 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Matthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Matthew 17:13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. (the disciple knew... well).

CharismaticLady, CharismaticLady, CharismaticLady, what part of Matthew 17:12 above you don't understand? Elijah is come already.

Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". what part of Hebrews 9:27YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND THERE?

Look Elijah is dead, not in heaven, ok, but DEAD here on planet earth.

John the Baptist is the Elijah to come, (the first witness of the two). now listen very carefully again, Matthew 3:1 "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 3:3 "For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Matthew 3:4 "And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. what did Elijah wore, 2 Kings 1:8 "And they answered him, He was an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins. And he said, It is Elijah the Tishbite". BINGO,

now John said, Mark 1:3 "The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight".
so this is the Elijah to come, one of the "TWO WITNESS", so if you're still looking for Elijah to come, you'll be waiting a L..O..N...G.. time

now CharismaticLady you say you believe the Lord Jesus ... right... right. well how come you don't believe him when he said that Elijah has come already? can the Lord Jesus lie? .. God forbid. so why you cannot accept the truth?

PICJAG.

101G said:

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks again for the same question, last time, listen, Matthew 17:10 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Matthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Matthew 17:13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. (the disciple knew... well).

CharismaticLady, CharismaticLady, CharismaticLady, what part of Matthew 17:12 above you don't understand? Elijah is come already.

Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". what part of Hebrews 9:27YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND THERE?

Look Elijah is dead, not in heaven, ok, but DEAD here on planet earth.

John the Baptist is the Elijah to come, (the first witness of the two). now listen very carefully again, Matthew 3:1 "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 3:3 "For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Matthew 3:4 "And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. what did Elijah wore, 2 Kings 1:8 "And they answered him, He was an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins. And he said, It is Elijah the Tishbite". BINGO,

now John said, Mark 1:3 "The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight".
so this is the Elijah to come, one of the "TWO WITNESS", so if you're still looking for Elijah to come, you'll be waiting a L..O..N...G.. time

now CharismaticLady you say you believe the Lord Jesus ... right... right. well how come you don't believe him when he said that Elijah has come already? can the Lord Jesus lie? .. God forbid. so why you cannot accept the truth?

PICJAG.

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If you believe it is through the pagan belief of reincarnation, think again.

CharismaticLady said:

If you believe it is through the pagan belief of reincarnation, think again.

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first thanks for the reply, second, what do the pagans have to do with the Word of God? did i say i believe in reincarnation? see, that's your problem, you're not reading my post. there is a proverb for this, Proverbs 18:13 "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him".

now go back through any of my post and see if I said I believe in reincarnation.

shame on you CharismaticLady ... (smile).

PICJAG.