Reincarnation of Elijah

101G said:

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks again for the same question, last time, listen, Matthew 17:10 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Matthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Matthew 17:13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. (the disciple knew... well).

CharismaticLady, CharismaticLady, CharismaticLady, what part of Matthew 17:12 above you don't understand? Elijah is come already.

Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". what part of Hebrews 9:27YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND THERE?

Look Elijah is dead, not in heaven, ok, but DEAD here on planet earth.

John the Baptist is the Elijah to come, (the first witness of the two). now listen very carefully again, Matthew 3:1 "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 3:3 "For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Matthew 3:4 "And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. what did Elijah wore, 2 Kings 1:8 "And they answered him, He was an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins. And he said, It is Elijah the Tishbite". BINGO,

now John said, Mark 1:3 "The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight".
so this is the Elijah to come, one of the "TWO WITNESS", so if you're still looking for Elijah to come, you'll be waiting a L..O..N...G.. time

now CharismaticLady you say you believe the Lord Jesus ... right... right. well how come you don't believe him when he said that Elijah has come already? can the Lord Jesus lie? .. God forbid. so why you cannot accept the truth?

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Nonsense, Elijah went up in a chariot of fire. Now you say he left his living body and was born to a virgin Elizabeth? That is not even the principle of re-incarnation. That is like the false teaching of Christ's Pre-incarnation.

John the Baptist had the Spirit of a living person rest on him. People who claim to have the Spirit of Christ a living person on them, do what Christ did here on earth. John the Baptist had the Spirit of Elijah a living person on him, and did what Elijah did on earth. We serve a living God!!! Not a dead god of the dead.

101G said:

first thanks for the reply, second, what do the pagans have to do with the Word of God? did i say i believe in reincarnation? see, that's your problem, you're not reading my post. there is a proverb for this, Proverbs 18:13 "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him".

now go back through any of my post and see if I said I believe in reincarnation.

shame on you CharismaticLady ... (smile).

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Oh, sorry! I got you confused with the OP who named this post about reincarnation.

So what are you saying that I don't already agree with? Yes, Jesus was speaking of John the Baptist when he said that Elijah had already come. But there is still a real Elijah that didn't die, just because John the Baptist did. Elijah represented all the prophets, and John was the last of the prophets.

On the Mount of Transfiguration, both Moses and Elijah were standing with Jesus. Moses represented the LAW, and Elijah the PROPHETS. And God spoke of Jesus saying, "Listen to Him." You see, Jesus fulfilled all the law and all the prophets. We are to listen to only Jesus and His Spirit.

Timtofly said:

Nonsense, Elijah went up in a chariot of fire. Now you say he left his living body and was born to a virgin Elizabeth? That is not even the principle of re-incarnation. That is like the false teaching of Christ's Pre-incarnation.

John the Baptist had the Spirit of a living person rest on him. People who claim to have the Spirit of Christ a living person on them, do what Christ did here on earth. John the Baptist had the Spirit of Elijah a living person on him, and did what Elijah did on earth. We serve a living God!!! Not a dead god of the dead.

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first thanks for the reply, second, don't try and put words in my mouth, search my posts and see if I said, "he left his living body and was born to a virgin Elizabeth? ". now when you find that quote and I said it then post it for all to see. if not please don't mis-quote again.. ok. thanks.

false teaching is correct, because I see it's not corruptions in bible translation, it people minds who are corrupt, (from false teaching), not the translations themselves, not all), but they cannot repete correctly what is said presently, and not only what was said over a couple of thousand of years agao. my God is the delusion that bad, or may we say that "Good"...

Timtofly said:

ohn the Baptist had the Spirit of a living person rest on him.

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Another ERROR, no he John came in, in, in, the spirit of Elijah, meaning in his ways, or characteristics of Elijah. this is NOTHING new. example, I have hear women make a statement .. about a child, "he act more like your child that his only daddy", ... thuh ... see it now?

Timtofly said:

People who claim to have the Spirit of Christ a living person on them, do what Christ did here on earth.

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ANOTHRET BIG ERROR, it's not you who do the work, it's Christ in You who do the Work. see this is just what you said, "FALSE TEACHING", we see it clearly in npeople posts. and as a Spirit, you're not God.

Timtofly said:

John the Baptist had the Spirit of Elijah a living person on him, and did what Elijah did on earth. We serve a living God!!! Not a dead god of the dead.

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form reading your POST, I don't know what god you're serving. but stick around and learn.. ok, no put down, ok. see if you just say what the bible say them you're safe.

PICKAG.

CharismaticLady said:

Oh, sorry! I got you confused with the OP who named this post about reincarnation.

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no problems, we all make mistakes, for we're human. and thanks for your honesty.

CharismaticLady said:

So what are you saying that I don't already agree with? Yes, Jesus was speaking of John the Baptist when he said that Elijah had already come. But there is still a real Elijah that didn't die, just because John the Baptist did. Elijah represented all the prophets, and John was the last of the prophets.

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Ok, thanks for the question, lets see it in scriptures ok. these people, who someone lied and said they Enoch, and Elijah didn't die but was TRANSLATED" and went into heaven. lets break this down by scripture, ok. listen, Enoch, first. the bible clearly states that Enoch dide, read Hebrews 11:5 starting with Enoch and read through to verse 13 and see what happen to all of them ok.

now Elijah, Read these articles carefully first, "Did Elijah Go to Heaven?", Did Elijah Go to Heaven?. and there are many, many articles that reveals the truth about Enoch and Elijah, as to what happen to them.
But we're going to the scriptures themselves

Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God
here "Translated" is the Greek word,
G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v.
1. to transfer.
2. (literally) to transport.
3. (by implication) to exchange.
4. (reflexively) to change sides.
5. (figuratively) to pervert.
[from G3326 and G5087]
KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn
Root(s): G3326, G5087

there you have it "TRANSPORT" he was moved to another place on the planet.

as said before, this is nothing new, an angel sends Philip to teach and baptize the Ethiopian Eunuch, listen,
Acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 8:38 "And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Acts 8:39 "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 "But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

understand the whirl wind is the Spirit of the Lord. listen, after Elijah was taken up in the "FIRAT HEAVEN" the sky, men asked Elisha if they could go and look for Elijah. listen, 2 Kings 2:16 "And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send".
2 Kings 2:17 "And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not". just like Philip, the eunuch saw him no more, but Philip was found at Azotus. ARE YOU GETTING THIS?.

read those accounts and the article and get back with me on it.. ok.

PICJAG.

101G said:

first thanks for the reply, second, don't try and put words in my mouth, search my posts and see if I said, "he left his living body and was born to a virgin Elizabeth? ". now when you find that quote and I said it then post it for all to see. if not please don't mis-quote again.. ok. thanks.

false teaching is correct, because I see it's not corruptions in bible translation, it people minds who are corrupt, (from false teaching), not the translations themselves, not all), but they cannot repete correctly what is said presently, and not only what was said over a couple of thousand of years agao. my God is the delusion that bad, or may we say that "Good"...

Another ERROR, no he John came in, in, in, the spirit of Elijah, meaning in his ways, or characteristics of Elijah. this is NOTHING new. example, I have hear women make a statement .. about a child, "he act more like your child that his only daddy", ... thuh ... see it now?

ANOTHRET BIG ERROR, it's not you who do the work, it's Christ in You who do the Work. see this is just what you said, "FALSE TEACHING", we see it clearly in npeople posts. and as a Spirit, you're not God.

form reading your POST, I don't know what god you're serving. but stick around and learn.. ok, no put down, ok. see if you just say what the bible say them you're safe.

PICKAG.

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I was quoting your Bingo comment. I have yet to find bingo in the Bible.

Timtofly said:

I was quoting your Bingo comment. I have yet to find bingo in the Bible.

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(smile), just keep on looking, don't say anything, just keep on looking...

PICJAG.

101G said:

no problems, we all make mistakes, for we're human. and thanks for your honesty.

Ok, thanks for the question, lets see it in scriptures ok. these people, who someone lied and said they Enoch, and Elijah didn't die but was TRANSLATED" and went into heaven. lets break this down by scripture, ok. listen, Enoch, first. the bible clearly states that Enoch dide, read Hebrews 11:5 starting with Enoch and read through to verse 13 and see what happen to all of them ok.

now Elijah, Read these articles carefully first, "Did Elijah Go to Heaven?", Did Elijah Go to Heaven?. and there are many, many articles that reveals the truth about Enoch and Elijah, as to what happen to them.
But we're going to the scriptures themselves

Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God
here "Translated" is the Greek word,
G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v.
1. to transfer.
2. (literally) to transport.
3. (by implication) to exchange.
4. (reflexively) to change sides.
5. (figuratively) to pervert.
[from G3326 and G5087]
KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn
Root(s): G3326, G5087

there you have it "TRANSPORT" he was moved to another place on the planet.

as said before, this is nothing new, an angel sends Philip to teach and baptize the Ethiopian Eunuch, listen,
Acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 8:38 "And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Acts 8:39 "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 "But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

understand the whirl wind is the Spirit of the Lord. listen, after Elijah was taken up in the "FIRAT HEAVEN" the sky, men asked Elisha if they could go and look for Elijah. listen, 2 Kings 2:16 "And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send".
2 Kings 2:17 "And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not". just like Philip, the eunuch saw him no more, but Philip was found at Azotus. ARE YOU GETTING THIS?.

read those accounts and the article and get back with me on it.. ok.

PICJAG.

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You do realize that God can transport through time and space, correct?

Timtofly said:

You do realize that God can transport through time and space, correct?

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first, thanks for the reply, second, did you know that God can do anything except violate his word?

PICJAG.

101G said:

there you have it "TRANSPORT" he was moved to another place on the planet.


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Why are you saying that Enoch and Elijah did die, when scripture says they didn't? That it was a lie?

Translation isn't dying. And God can just as easily transport someone to the third heaven as written by Paul as to another place on this planet.

CharismaticLady said:

Why are you saying that Enoch and Elijah did die, when scripture says they didn't? That is was a lie?

Translation isn't dying.

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first thanks for the reply, second, I'm not saying anything only what the Lord is saying, Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". Elijah was a man correct? ... corect. BINGO.

so you must not read the article.

PICJAG.

101G said:

first thanks for the reply, second, I'm not saying anything only what the Lord is saying, Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". Elijah was a man correct? ... corect. BINGO.

so you must not read the article.

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The only two men that did not die were Enoch and Elijah. But what if they are the two witnesses who DO die, and raised after 3 days. Did you ever think of that? And don't forget that there will be some who live to see Christ's second coming. They will never die if they are Christians.

101G said:

first thanks for the reply, second, I'm not saying anything only what the Lord is saying, Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". Elijah was a man correct? ... corect. BINGO.

so you must not read the article.

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I didn't read any article, no.

101G said:

first, thanks for the reply, second, did you know that God can do anything except violate his word?

PICJAG.

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Jesus was not violating His Word. It was the disciples who misunderstood. To just quote their misunderstanding as Jesus' words may be causing the confusion. Was Jesus in error, not correcting their mistakes? Correcting everyone's mistakes gets old after a while. While some humans make such a task their hobby, does not mean God doesn't sit back and watch us humans continue in their misunderstandings.

God is patient while we just go on making mistake after mistake.

Timtofly said:

Jesus was not violating His Word. It was the disciples who misunderstood. To just quote their misunderstanding as Jesus' words may be causing the confusion.

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This peaked my interest, but I can't find the post you are referring to. What did the disciples misunderstand? It sounds like what people do on the forums - take things out of context, like they did 500 years ago during the Reformation.

CharismaticLady said:

This peaked my interest, but I can't find the post you are referring to. What did the disciples misunderstand? It sounds like what people do on the forums - take things out of context, like they did 500 years ago during the Reformation.

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Matthew 17:2-13

2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the Sun, and his clothes were as white as the light.

3 And behold, there appeared unto them Moses, and Elijah, talking with him.

4 Then answered Peter, and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.

5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud shadowed them: and behold, therecame a voice out of the cloud, saying, that my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear him.

6 And when the disciples heard that, theyfell on their faces, and were sore afraid.

7 Then Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

8 And when they lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

9 ¶ And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying,Show the vision to no man, until the Son of man rise again from the dead.

10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the Scribes that Elijah must first come?

11 And Jesus answered, and said unto them, Certainly Elijah must first come, and restore all things.

12 But I say unto you, that Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they would: likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

13 Then the disciples perceived that he spake unto them of John Baptist.

Why would the disciples think Elijah was John the Baptist just hours after actually seeing Elijah alive with Christ. Jesus was talking about Elijah's ministry in the OT after Elijah had just appeared to them. Did the record say they saw John the Baptist and he looked like Elijah? No. Did the record say it was John the Baptist who appeared, and Jesus told them it was really Elijah? No. It was Elijah and Jesus was talking about Elijah. Why did Jesus never correct them and even today we confuse John the Baptist with Elijah? The record clearly shows it was the disciples who did not figure it out, not Jesus.

The same thing happened with Moses on the mount. Even while God was writing the Ten Commandments, Aaron was building a false idol in the camp. Even God's chosen people get "it all wrong" even with God present.

Timtofly said:

Matthew 17:2-13

2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the Sun, and his clothes were as white as the light.

3 And behold, there appeared unto them Moses, and Elijah, talking with him.

4 Then answered Peter, and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.

5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud shadowed them: and behold, therecame a voice out of the cloud, saying, that my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear him.

6 And when the disciples heard that, they fell on their faces, and were sore afraid.

7 Then Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

8 And when they lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

9 ¶ And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying,Show the vision to no man, until the Son of man rise again from the dead.

10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the Scribes that Elijah must first come?

11 And Jesus answered, and said unto them, Certainly Elijah must first come, and restore all things.

12 But I say unto you, that Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they would: likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

13 Then the disciples perceived that he spake unto them of John Baptist.

Why would the disciples think Elijah was John the Baptist just hours after actually seeing Elijah alive with Christ. Jesus was talking about Elijah's ministry in the OT after Elijah had just appeared to them. Did the record say they saw John the Baptist and he looked like Elijah? No. Did the record say it was John the Baptist who appeared, and Jesus told them it was really Elijah? No. It was Elijah and Jesus was talking about Elijah. Why did Jesus never correct them and even today we confuse John the Baptist with Elijah? The record clearly shows it was the disciples who did not figure it out, not Jesus.

The same thing happened with Moses on the mount. Even while God was writing the Ten Commandments, Aaron was building a false idol in the camp. Even God's chosen people get "it all wrong" even with God present.

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Yes, I agree. What do you think of my previous post on the Transfiguration here below?

CharismaticLady said:

On the Mount of Transfiguration, both Moses and Elijah were standing with Jesus. Moses represented the LAW, and Elijah the PROPHETS. And God spoke of Jesus saying, "Listen to Him." You see, Jesus fulfilled all the law and all the prophets. We are to only listen now to Jesus and His Spirit.

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CharismaticLady said:

Yes, I agree. What do you think of my previous post on the Transfiguration here below?

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I agree wholeheartedly.

Timtofly said:

I was quoting your Bingo comment. I have yet to find bingo in the Bible.

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The only way to get this straight is to look at the wording very precisely. Firstly we have Bingo then we have reincarnation or is it the other way around? In any case, reincarnation seems pretty obviously talking about the US of A; Ford being the father and black his favourite colour he must have foreseen everything else that it is useful for ...like, going to the movies without getting out except for beer and chips, getting the local health food at Macca's, procreating to the rhythm of squeaky springs even such later inventions as pick-up's (the bigger the better) has got the US of A qualifying of in car nation. I might need to repeat that...ok, reincarnation!!! So there you have it; some might with pride just say Bingo. As far as finding it in the Bible, wellllll, can't one just use the argument of reading between the lines? I'm sure Elijah read between a few lines, I'm positive John did....poor bloke, lost his head because there was toooooo much reading between the lines...ahhhhhh, or was that, between the sheets?

And where is Adam in all of that?

Timtofly said:

And where is Adam in all of that?

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Ahhhh, the pick up driver of course.....there's a bit to collect you know!