Does the Holy Spirit prevent wicked from being revealed¿

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Waiting on him

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I found this and maybe it helps explain it better.


2 Thessalonians 2:6
“And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.”
Paul resumes his teaching on the subject of Satan. Paul now introduces the reason that Satan will never have absolute power on earth or in the churches. This is because he is being restrained. Since there is no human being which can restrain or withhold Satan, this is definitely speaking of the Holy Spirit who is eternal God Himself. Now there is another aspect which must be considered although minor in comparison to the work of the Holy Spirit Himself. Whenever the truth is proclaimed, then Satan is being restrained. Whenever a true believer brings the gospel to someone and they become saved, Satan has been restrained. Now Pre-tribulationalism believes that the Holy Spirit will be removed when all true believers will be raptured before the great tribulation begins. This theory falls flat because they also claim there will be some who will be saved during the final tribulation period. How can a person become saved unless the Holy Spirit will be present to apply the word to one of God’s chosen?
I am not speaking of this type of situation. I am saying that if a false teaching is rampant in a church and then someone comes in and teaches the truth and displaces the false teaching, then Satan has been restrained, but not by human effort. It was done through the power of the Holy Spirit confirming the work of the word of truth in that place. We can safely conclude that only the Holy Spirit is powerful enough to restrain Satan.
2 Thessalonians 2:7
“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.”
The word for “the way” is the Greek word “mesou." This word may easily be translated “midst” and this is how the proponents use it. In translating it this way, does it hurt the case for true interpretation? The answer is no! For the Bible is speaking here that there is going to be a time when the ministry of the Holy Spirit will be at an end. The word “work” in this verse is a present tense verb which means the mystery of iniquity was already working in the churches in Paul’s time. So that means that the mystery of iniquity is going to work simultaneously with the work of the Holy Spirit until an appointed end. (Wheat and Tares) The question then, is when is the end? Is it the present? Or is it something else? The answer to our question is found in the next verse.
2 Thessalonians 2:8
“And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:”
Notice this verse starts with “and” just like chapters 4-22 in Revelation. This is a continuing thought not a separate one. The Holy Spirit will be active in all the world, including the churches, saving all the elect until the last one is saved. Then the Holy Spirit will be removed from the midst because His salvation work is done. Verses 7 & 8 are speaking of the last day when Satan will be destroyed upon the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. Let us look at the following verses which puts a confirming edge to this.
What if Paul is only referencing what happens upon belief with the born again, the reason I ask this is because the wording of 2thes sounds strikingly familiar to his account in Acts of his encounter with Christ.
 

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Acts 26:13,18 KJV
At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. [18] To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
 

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What if Paul is only referencing what happens upon belief with the born again, the reason I ask this is because the wording of 2thes sounds strikingly familiar to his account in Acts of his encounter with Christ.
It's debatable.....I looked up several translations and in the strong's concordance to double check....it is pretty vague I agree....but the other scriptures in connection with it implies that the antichrist comes on the scene after he that restrains is removed....so who is he?
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 KJV
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
 

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It's debatable.....I looked up several translations and in the strong's concordance to double check....it is pretty vague I agree....but the other scriptures in connection with it implies that the antichrist comes on the scene after he that restrains is removed....so who is he?
Maybe the old man
 

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There should be more scripture references pertaining to the removal of the Holy Spirit unless it's only conjecture
 

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It's not my intention for this to turn into an escatalogical debate, we have enough of those.

My focus is on who is the he Paul refers to in 2 Thessalonians.

Forgive me, but what you ask is impossible. For the reason that Paul never states who the restrainer is. Therefore any discussion on who it may be must, by speculation and assumption, become a debate. Sorry.
 

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It is undoubtedly the case that if it were not for the restraining influence still of the Holy Spirit in the world, the catastrophes and disasters that the world system brings upon itself would be even far, far worse that they are. Matthew 24 Great Tribulation conditions are not yet manifest, even if we sometimes get glimpses..
 
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Forgive me, but what you ask is impossible. For the reason that Paul never states who the restrainer is. Therefore any discussion on who it may be must, by speculation and assumption, become a debate. Sorry.
I was hoping someone had the answer. Everyone is always so quick to state that he who prevents will prevent till removed has to be in reference to the HS. Id think there would be at least one more scripture reference affirming this?
 

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It is undoubtedly the case that if it were not for the restraining influence still of the Holy Spirit in the world, the catastrophes and disasters that the world system brings upon itself would be even far, far worse that they are. Matthew 24 Great Tribulation conditions are not yet manifest, even if we sometimes get glimpses..
Well we have the biblical record stating that what Jesus told His disciples would happen did in fact happen then the temple came down.
 

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Jesus openly before His disciples said "I Praise You Father in heaven, for revealing truth to little children,

and for HIDING it from the educated ones" "for thus it is/was/ your good pleasure so to do".
Many here are of the opinion that the HS restrains the wicked/evil, how does He do this does He work in their hearts? Are most in a bubble?
 

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Many here are of the opinion that the HS restrains the wicked/evil, how does He do this does He work in their hearts? Are most in a bubble?
Sorry - too much not in line with Scripture. A (Scripture) quote in context is needed to answer any question 'like this', with or for better clarity and truth.
 

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I was hoping someone had the answer. Everyone is always so quick to state that he who prevents will prevent till removed has to be in reference to the HS. Id think there would be at least one more scripture reference affirming this?
Some are also just so quick to overlook an answer, because the answer is not satisfying. Who is doing the work in a Christian? The Christian or the Holy Spirit giving power to the Christian?

If the answer is the Holy Spirit, how can a Christian give you the answer? How would you know if any person trying to respond is not doing so by themselves or is it the Holy Spirit "speaking" through them? If that is the case, reading God’s Word the answer directly from the Bible can only be from the Holy Spirit.

Not sure who is at fault in all of this. Of course Satan has been allowed to decieve us which is the main point of 2 Thessalonians 2. Even the Holy Spirit is only addressed as non descriptive "he". Understanding the he as the Holy Spirit is the first step out of the delusion. The next step is figuring out how the Holy Spirit works. In the lives of believers. So now we know the Holy Spirit works through reading God’s Word and the life of each believer in the Word of God and the Word in flesh which is Christ.

So until the Holy Spirit is taken away. Reading the Bible is no longer fruitful or there is no longer any humanity used by the Holy Spirit on earth. Under what condition would that happen?

The only condition would be if God Himself appeared in creation where the sun and moon would be as if they did not exist. This fact is the only way to break humanity from Satan's strong delusion in 2 Thessalonians 2. For that reason and that reason alone, Revelation 6 is the only answer. The confirmation is that the Holy Spirit seals us from that wicked one. Revelation 6 is the Lamb of God removing seals one by one in the process of revealing Satan and delivering us from Satan's delusion.
 

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For the reason that Paul never states who the restrainer is. Therefore any discussion on who it may be must, by speculation and assumption, become a debate. Sorry.

A few questions then. God is not the author of confusion so why and how can something be said when there are no other scriptures to confirm it?

2 Corinthians 5:14-17 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. [16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Does the love of Christ then constrain the world? Because Jesus Christ warned if the world hated Me then it will hate you. In looking for some support of restraining in the word there was evil restrained from receiving good as the same as the natural man cannot receive the things of God for they are foolishness to him and neither can he know them. But consider Saul/Paul who testified of consenting to Stephens death (stoning) and wasting, persecution, imprisonment and destruction of the body of Christ. There was no restraining of evil until Paul could say “the love of Christ constrains”. They killed The prophets, they “did not know Him or they would not of killed Him” there was no restraining in “the love of Christ”. Saying the Antichrist cannot be revealed or have full reign until the Holy Spirit is removed ...The word says all were evil and wicked and gone out of the way, full(pregnant) with cursing. Ephesians 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
 
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