Does the Holy Spirit prevent wicked from being revealed¿

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A few questions then. God is not the author of confusion so why and how can something be said when there are no other scriptures to confirm it?

2 Corinthians 5:14-17 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. [16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Does the love of Christ then constrain the world? Because Jesus Christ warned if the world hated Me then it will hate you. In looking for some support of restraining in the word there was evil restrained from receiving good as the same as the natural man cannot receive the things of God for they are foolishness to him and neither can he know them. But consider Saul/Paul who testified of consenting to Stephens death (stoning) and wasting, persecution, imprisonment and destruction of the body of Christ. There was no restraining of evil until Paul could say “the love of Christ constrains”. They killed The prophets, they “did not know Him or they would not of killed Him” there was no restraining in “the love of Christ”. Saying the Antichrist cannot be revealed or have full reign until the Holy Spirit is removed ...The word says all were evil and wicked and gone out of the way, full(pregnant) with cursing. Ephesians 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
So He works in the hearts of those who believe and are converted. So where does the idea come from that He the Holy Spirit prevents the converted from seeing wicked or the world from performing evil?
 

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1 Corinthians 14:24-25 KJV
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: [25] And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

Here's an example of the HS revealing sin.

Wicked/ evil
 

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1 Corinthians 14:24-25 KJV
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: [25] And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

Here's an example of the HS revealing sin.

Wicked/ evil

Ephesians 5:13-14 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

1 Corinthians 4:5-7 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. [6] And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. [7] For who maketh thee to differ from another ? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it ?

Now if you did receive Him(which no man can know save him who receives Him), why do you glory, as if you have not received Him?
 
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Ephesians 5:13-14 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

1 Corinthians 4:5-7 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. [6] And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. [7] For who maketh thee to differ from another ? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it ?

Now if you did receive Him(which no man can know save him who receives Him), why do you glory, as if you have not received Him?
That's just it I have nothing too glory of.
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:3-5 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness(having escaped), that that day should overtake you as a thief. [5] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

The light is not going anywhere, it is the darkness that is swallowed up of Light. The mortal man swallowed up of Life: death swallowed up in Victory.

Proverbs 4:18-19 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day. [19] The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
 

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That's just it I have nothing too glory of.

Proverbs 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

Galatians 6:14-15 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. [15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
 
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Now if you did receive Him(which no man can know save him who receives Him)
Did you see in the Epistles how often it was revealed to others , and stated clearly and openly ? God's Revelation in Scripture shows that there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed. Much is revealed in Scripture - blessings and warnings, good and evil, temptations, the flesh, and sin, all is open to be seen in the Light, Revealed by the Father as He Pleases, as He Does, as He Did and is written in Scripture, everything.
 

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For the context of the church rather than Israel, it's very strong, 1 Cor 11.26... :)
Well, absolutely we will see tribulation, but for me to underestimate the clarity that Jesus was speaking too the men standing in front of Him in Matthew, would be in my opinion to as good as say what he prophetically spoke to them didn't happen, and I'm not willing to take that route at this time.
 

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Well, absolutely we will see tribulation, but for me to underestimate the clarity that Jesus was speaking too the men standing in front of Him in Matthew, would be in my opinion to as good as say what he prophetically spoke to them didn't happen, and I'm not willing to take that route at this time.
I do see the great tribulation - a truly unique event, as Matt. 24 says - as distinct from the tribulation principle of John 16.33.
 

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I think it is hard to see the "end time" as being today. It has always been tomorrow.
 

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I do see the great tribulation - a truly unique event, as Matt. 24 says - as distinct from the tribulation principle of John 16.33.
John 16:32-33 KJV
Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. [33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

If you see this as something that didn't happen too His disciples, but rather as something that will happen too you in a future great tribulation, then I don't know what else too say?
 

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John 16:32-33 KJV
Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. [33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

If you see this as something that didn't happen too His disciples, but rather as something that will happen too you in a future great tribulation, then I don't know what else too say?
I'm saying the opposite to what you surmise here: The tribulation principle is in John 16.33; the Matthew 24 event is unique.
 
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John 16:8-11 KJV
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] Of sin, because they believe not on me; [10] Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; [11] Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Ok, so above is another reference to the function of the Holy Spirit. I don't see any reference from Jesus as he being the one to prevent wicked from being seen?
 

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It's not my intention for this to turn into an escatalogical debate, we have enough of those.

My focus is on who is the he Paul refers to in 2 Thessalonians.


Hello Waiting,

But no one can enter a strong man's house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.

could it be the angel Michael?

No one supports me against all these except Michael, your prince

is he the angel here:

Then I saw an angel come down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a heavy chain.


He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, which is the Devil or Satan, and tied it up for a thousand years


and threw it into the abyss, which he locked over it and sealed, so that it could no longer lead the nations astray until the thousand years are completed. After this, it is to be released for a short time.


Peace be with you!

Sáncte Míchael Archángele, defénde nos in proélio, cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium. Ímperet ílli Déus, súpplices deprecámur: tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis, Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos, qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo, divína virtúte, in inférnum detrúde. Ámen
 
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Hello Waiting,

But no one can enter a strong man's house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.

could it be the angel Michael?

No one supports me against all these except Michael, your prince

is he the angel here:

Then I saw an angel come down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a heavy chain.


He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, which is the Devil or Satan, and tied it up for a thousand years


and threw it into the abyss, which he locked over it and sealed, so that it could no longer lead the nations astray until the thousand years are completed. After this, it is to be released for a short time.


Peace be with you!

Sáncte Míchael Archángele, defénde nos in proélio, cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium. Ímperet ílli Déus, súpplices deprecámur: tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis, Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos, qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo, divína virtúte, in inférnum detrúde. Ámen
Very interesting,
Thanks Philip.

I'll have to look into this.
 

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well, well, well, WOH, you know how to pick em. ... lol. I was reading some of the post this moring before I got busy for the day, there was some intresting posts.

I will not put my two cent in just yet, but I'll deposit 1 of the two. the answer is right there in the chapter itself, but maybe additional reading from another chapter, or book could shed some light on the subject, that is reference to this event.
so my 1 cent in is the keyword "TEMPLE". no it's not the third temple, nor any of the such, but search it out. .... :cool:

PICJAG.
 
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