Does the Holy Spirit prevent wicked from being revealed¿

Heart2Soul · Apr 25, 2020

Jay Ross said:
The Bible put into chronological order requires a lot of interpretation and it does expose our understanding of how the sequence of events occurred.

Take for example the Story of Joseph. Scripture tells us that Joseph was 30 years old when he was placed second in command over all of Egypt by the Pharaoh. However, when was Joseph given this authority with respect to the start of the seven years of plenty?

We have to ask what the impact of Genesis 38 has on our understanding of the story of Joseph, on the story of when Isaac gave Jacob the Blessing, when Jacob went up to get a wife from around Haran and when He returned to live with his father Isaac? With respect to the story of Joseph, the Chronological sequence of events would suggest that around 15 years passed after Joseph's elevation to second in command over all of Egypt and the beginning of the years of plenty.

The Hebrew word translated in Genesis 1:1 when used elsewhere in the OT, is usually associated another event, i.e. at the beginning of "king such and such's" reign, the prophet did such and such. In the case of Genesis 1:1, I would humbly suggest that the Hebrew word "bə·rê·šîṯ" is best translated as "first" in that in the creation story, God first created the heavens and the earth. or "First, God created the Heavens and the earth."

Having this understanding of the first verse means that God did not miraculously appear out of no where and then begin the creation process. By reading that "First, God created the Heavens and the Earth." It implies that God existed before He began the creation process, and at some stage, he had created both the heavens and the earth.

As we read further we are told that the earth was in darkness and void of form and that evil, i.e. darkness was over the face of the deep, i.e. the Bottomless pit, and that God's spirit was hovering over the face of the waters. In the second verse we are introduced to Righteous and Evil and God then set out to introduce His light to the earth, such that there was a division between Good and Evil and God saw that this was good as He unfolded the salvation process for the whole earth to spring forth. The beginning of the God's story in bring righteous into reality against the opposition that existed at that time in the presented Creation narrative undertaken by God during the first six time periods in the recorded accounts of the creation story.

Shalom

Shalom

Wow thank you for all that information....I haven't done much with this Bible because of exactly what you are saying...it's complicated

Dcopymope · Apr 25, 2020

Waiting on him said:
So He works in the hearts of those who believe and are converted. So where does the idea come from that He the Holy Spirit prevents the converted from seeing wicked or the world from performing evil?

No, I believe he works in the hearts of the unbeliever as well. Consider Exodus when God hardened the heart of the Pharaoh, turning him over completely to the lust of his own heart. God knew the pharaoh was never letting the Hebrews go willingly to start with unless he laid the smack down on him, so he set him up for the fall by sending him a "strong delusion". In the last days, Paul says God will do the same to the world. The mind of the world will only be that of a reprobate.

Their thoughts will only be evil continually, just like it was in the days of Noah, and as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be with the second coming of Jesus. If the reprobate mind is what they desire, then that is what God will eventually turn them over to completely, to ensure they believe "a lie". What I believe that "lie" is, is a story for another thread. He certainly plays a role in restraining the world from going full tilt into evil. He has to, otherwise, the world would have ended up like it did during Noah's time a long time ago yet again, before the appointed time.

Stan B · Apr 25, 2020

Heart2Soul said:
I found this and maybe it helps explain it better.

2 Thessalonians 2:6
“And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.”
Now Pre-tribulationalism believes that the Holy Spirit will be removed when all true believers will be raptured before the great tribulation begins. This theory falls flat because they also claim there will be some who will be saved during the final tribulation period. How can a person become saved unless the Holy Spirit will be present to apply the word to one of God’s chosen?

You have everything in place, except for timing. So going through the timing sequence:

The anti-Christ is revealed after the 7th seal has been opened Rev 8.
You are correct about the pre-trib rapture. It is not Biblical.

Revelation declares that the church will be here during the first six seals of Rev 6. After the sixth seal, the tribulation is brought to a halt as the Times of the Gentiles end as the 144,000 of Israel are sealed, and the saints are raptured. Rev 7. "I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb". “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation. Rev 7:9-14

So, as you have observed, how can there be new believers after the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way? There aren't. For those left behind "They did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts." Rev 9:21.

You have everything right on track, except for the timing of the real rapture thingy that occurs right before the 7th seal is opened.

Stan B · Apr 25, 2020

Heart2Soul said:
It's debatable.....I looked up several translations and in the strong's concordance to double check....it is pretty vague I agree....but the other scriptures in connection with it implies that the antichrist comes on the scene after he that restrains is removed....so who is he?

The Holy Spirit.

Stranger · Apr 25, 2020

Waiting on him said:
I was hoping someone had the answer. Everyone is always so quick to state that he who prevents will prevent till removed has to be in reference to the HS. Id think there would be at least one more scripture reference affirming this?

The answer is the Holy Spirit. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it 'not the answer'. And why would you ask the question yet not give the verses that you were alluding to?

If you read (2 Thess. 2:1-12) ask yourself who else could it be but the Holy Spirit of God. That which is being restrained is from the power of satan. (2:9). Who is there but God who can restrain him? Who is there but God that has the authority to 'allow' the mystery of iniquity to continue until the right time. (2:6)

And, don't be surprised when this becomes a discussion on the Rapture, Tribulation, Second Coming, Millennium, etc., for you are dealing with a section of Scripture that speaks to the 'Day of the Lord'. (2 Thess. 2:3)

Stranger

101G · Apr 25, 2020

Waiting on him said:
Well Paul being the man who pinned this letter, fully understood that we are the temple?

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply. second, lets break down this Mystery, piece by piece.

A. “exalteth” , 2 Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” question, if one exalteth themselves or opposeth, then one is doing the opposite of submitting to and obeying God, so what is the opposite, or the Antonym of “exalteth” or exalt? answer, “defile”, scripture, 1 Corinthians 3:17 "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are”. BINGO, well now one down, wait no two, pieces of the mystery is clearly in place. so whosoever opposeth and exalteth themselves/himself above that which is God is that “MAN of SIN”, who defile himself, but lets go on. if one “defiles” himself, the Temple of God … one need to know, what or may we say “WHO” the temple of God is, and or for. did not the apostle say “Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? here it is, 1 Thessalonians 4:7 "For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.1 Thessalonians 4:8 "He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit”. BINGO again, for the Greek word here for "despiseth" is,
G114 ἀθετέω atheteo (a-the-te'-ō) v.
1. to set aside.
2. (by implication) to disesteem, neutralize or violate.
[from a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G5087]
KJV: cast off, despise, disannul, frustrate, bring to nought, reject
Root(s): G1, G5087

another word for, "violate", or as the KJV can translate as "despise" is "defile" BINGO.

if the Holy Spirit is Given, then where is he at? in us, correct, Dwelling in us. many who don’t read or search the scriptures, this is clearly showing, the same thing, which many a christian understand better in 1 Corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”. the same thing he told the Thessalonians in his first letter, the Holy Ghost dwells in us. are we beginning to see now? so the “Temple of God is our body. for I know a many of Christians took this as someone sitting in a temple, a natural building, as in the third temple to be build, or some natural place of some kind of building with polish floors and tall columns all around, and a burning pot, or lamp in the hallway, we all seen the pictures, …. (smile). NO, that’s carnal thinking. the temple of God is YOU… me … us.. we the body of Christ. our bodies, his bride. mystery piece #two and three of the mystery is clearlyrevealed, so, the Temple of God is you, your body, and are you going to “DEFLE”it?. this is where the “letteth” will let comes in at which now leads us to mystery piece #4, but lets finish piece #3, back to 1 Corinthians 3:17 "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are”. now we will again see who, “the son of perdition” is… YOU, if you "defile" God's Temple. lets see it, perdition, it's the Greek word, G684 ἀπώλεια apoleia (a-pō'-lei-a) n.
total destruction, ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal).
[from a presumed derivative of G622]
KJV: damnable(-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste
Root(s): G622

“destruction?”, 1 Corinthians 3:17 "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are”. destroy how? with the sword of his mouth “the fire of God”, 2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming”, for, Revelation 1:16 "And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength”. Revelation 2:16 "Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth”. one more, Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God”.

showing himself as God, “sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God”. when one is sitting it shows or signify one in “Authority”. as we see today, “I am in charge”… (smile) LOL. scripture, Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith”, one more,1 Peter 5:3 "Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock”. some men are so power hungry until that say that they "ONLY" can, and only they can forgive sin. and God is sitting right in you, do one know what that means? usurping God’s Authority, only God can forgive sin, so who have you died for? welll. never mind. as the, “oh I as an officer or an apostle of God who “ONLY” can forgive sin…. where have we heard this before? and it’s God who is in you that forgive sin. "Forgive ye one another", Ephesians 4:32 "And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you". I know by now one should have the mystery down by now.

but I'll stop for not to give a chance of review and or rebuttal, and or reproof.

PICJAG.

101G · Apr 25, 2020

Lets finish up,
Mystery piece #5 “by sitting”, which signify who have, “Authority” over your body? lets see, Romans 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God”.

so who control your, your, your, body? NOW we are getting to the crust of the matter who "letteth will let". quick answer ... YOU.
lets see it, Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (BINGO.. "LET")
Romans 6:13 "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Romans 6:14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 6:15 "What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:17 "But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 6:18 "Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Let is a condition of the "WILL", not my will but your? remember that? well that a whole another topic that is related to this topic, maybe we can discuss it also, but back to our topic. he who "Letteth" is Y... O...U.

NOW, Mystery piece #6 “that man of lawlessness revealed”,

1 John 3:3 "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:5 "And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1 John 3:6 "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (BINGO).
1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous”, (hold it, “let no man deceive you? 2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”. (that’s almost word for word.)
1 John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil”. (BINGO).
1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God”.

the destruction of the flesh, but yet he is saved by the same "FIRE", see 1 Corinthians 3:15

which bring us to the last piece of the MYSTERY#7, 2 Thessalonians 2:6 "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time".
2 Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way”. supportive scripture, Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh”. (HOLD IT, walk “IN”, in, in, the Spirit? why not walk “AFTER” the Spirit. for it is the Spirit that’s “IN” you, the “Helper”, who help you/us finish the race”). “only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof”. “BINGO”… “YE” that’s old English for “YOU”. should "OBEY", but ye, "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God”. BINGO. LISTEN,

Galatians 5:17 "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would”. but God is GREATER, who helps us OVERCOMER,

1 John 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1 John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 John 4:5 "They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1 John 4:6 "We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

this is why we have the … “HELPER”, to help us not sin, or continue in it anymore. “he who now letteth will let, until he (self, the old man with that old false teaching, and full of false doctrine must be destroyed, but not the man himself.) be taken out of the way”.

this is why the truth is to be taught all over the world.

sitteth: who is in charge or control, “YOU”, false teaching or the "Word of God, the TRUTH". it's your choice to letteth or will let it your "will" or God's will. YOU are in charge.

PICJAG.

VictoryinJesus · Apr 25, 2020

Naomi25 said:
Let me give you another example.

And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. -Matthew 27:51–53

Don't you read that and just go...what? How is this not talked about more? Why is it not referenced by others? By historical accounts? Wouldn't you think this is a huge deal? The dead came back! Biblical zombies!!!

No biblical zombies. He said arise to those who sleep, raise from the dead and Christ will give you light. The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. -Matthew 27:51–53

Does this verse stand alone or harmonize with the whole of the word. Not saying it didn’t happen but you said we take it on faith that it happened as God said it happened. Same as by Faith ...the stone is rolled away from the tomb, having passed from death into Life. Even the “and appeared to many” with Paul constantly saying they had been manifested before them in all things. Even at “Easter” the tomb was opened and He arose from death... and many afterward saw Him is celebrated. Does the word not support and testify elsewhere —the whole counsel of God—-to make “through Faith” one believe it is and was possible not zombies came out but those made alive, brought into life after His resurrection?

VictoryinJesus · Apr 25, 2020

Naomi25 said:
I'm....not particularly sure what this verse has to do with your point. Sorry. Just because we are made new in Christ, does not mean we are promised knowledge of all things.

Was not speaking of the knowledge of all things except if you mean in the knowledge of Christ and His love. Which without God’s people perish for the lack of. Saul/Paul was the example. Jesus asked Saul why he persecuted Him. The why being flesh persecutes the Spirit. Paul destroyed His body, wasted His Church, imprisoned many, and consented to Stephen‘s death. The point was nothing restrained the evil Paul spoke of, even saying all have had their conversation in the lust of the flesh, that he (Paul also)had done prior to Christ. Yet Paul said God forgave one who consented to the murder of Stephen and the persecution of Christ because he had done it in ignorance. Ignorance meaning blindness. Is Paul not testifying when he spoke of “blindness in part” has come on Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in , the same as Paul saying he is no longer blind? Do see your point in even God sets the bounds of sea and says to the waves thereof “You go this far and no further”. Only asking how then God writes His laws on the hearts of many and restrains them from doing harm. Do not see the love of Christ is restraining evil in the world but instead allowing it(in absence of restraint), even to: If the world hates Me, it will hate you.” Speaking Of Paul’s ignorance “blindness” prior to the Revelation of Christ...is the world not blind? Not Restrained from doing evil but “raging” mad? God restrains those who love Him by the love of Christ. Where the God of peace rules. No peace “His peace” ...then confusion, raging, waxing cold and worse and worse being unrestrained (IMO) not restrained.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

in your life ...those that don’t know Him or want to know Him ...are they restrained from doing harm?

Would read @101G.

101G · Apr 25, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
The why being flesh persecutes the Spirit.

Galatians 4:29

PICJAG.

VictoryinJesus · Apr 25, 2020

Stranger said:
for you are dealing with a section of Scripture that speaks to the 'Day of the Lord'. (2 Thess. 2:3)

“Day of the Lord” Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Who is “behold I come as a thief” ? Paul spoke of not being unclothed but clothed upon from above and also of “keeps his garments” 1 Thessalonians 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess (keep)his vessel in sanctification and honour;

But there is also 1 Thessalonians 5:2-6 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. [3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [5] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [6] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Struggling with what I’ve always heard. Pertaining to the rapture in waiting to be taken as a thief in the night. Raptured out of here. But he says that day will not come upon you as a surprise being of the day and not the night. To be of the day and the light and not of the night and darkness...then that day has already come upon them. Luke 12:32-33 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. [33] Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Timtofly · Apr 25, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
“Day of the Lord” Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Who is “behold I come as a thief” ? Paul spoke of not being unclothed but clothed upon from above and also of “keeps his garments” 1 Thessalonians 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess (keep)his vessel in sanctification and honour;

But there is also 1 Thessalonians 5:2-6 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. [3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [5] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [6] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Struggling with what I’ve always heard. Pertaining to the rapture in waiting to be taken as a thief in the night. Raptured out of here. But he says that day will not come upon you as a surprise being of the day and not the night. To be of the day and the light and not of the night and darkness...then that day has already come upon them. Luke 12:32-33 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. [33] Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

The day is the thief, but to answer the OP in light of this thief. The question is when and why. We do not know the when, because it is a thief, taking away any more chances?

But the seal goes past the point of when. Why are we individually sealed to begin with? Because all are in the Lamb's book of life sealed until the day it is unsealed. The opening of the 7th Seal is only allowing the book to be openend to be edited. Those alive even without the presence of the Holy Spirit being removed, are still sealed until they accept or die without accepting. However Revelation 6 at the time of the 6th seal, all living humanity will see God on the throne, and Jesus in the physical. There is no need of the Holy Spirit. We are not told how God is going to keep reminding people, outside of 144k witnesses who are told to be witnesses during the sounding of the 6 Trumpets. How soon even those who see God face to face will forget and still reject God.

Stan B · Apr 25, 2020

Stan B said:
The Holy Spirit.

Just reviewing this, Where is the Temple of the Holy Spirit??
The saints are the Temple. So when they are raptured right before the 7th seal is opened, that is when He who restrains is taken out of the world along with them.

Then the 7th seal is opened with no one to resist him. That's when the anti-Christ takes over.

Waiting on him · Apr 25, 2020

101G said:
Lets finish up,
Mystery piece #5 “by sitting”, which signify who have, “Authority” over your body? lets see, Romans 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God”.

so who control your, your, your, body? NOW we are getting to the crust of the matter who "letteth will let". quick answer ... YOU.
lets see it, Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (BINGO.. "LET")
Romans 6:13 "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Romans 6:14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 6:15 "What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 6:17 "But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 6:18 "Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Let is a condition of the "WILL", not my will but your? remember that? well that a whole another topic that is related to this topic, maybe we can discuss it also, but back to our topic. he who "Letteth" is Y... O...U.

NOW, Mystery piece #6 “that man of lawlessness revealed”,

1 John 3:3 "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:5 "And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1 John 3:6 "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (BINGO).
1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous”, (hold it, “let no man deceive you? 2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”. (that’s almost word for word.)
1 John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil”. (BINGO).
1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God”.

the destruction of the flesh, but yet he is saved by the same "FIRE", see 1 Corinthians 3:15

which bring us to the last piece of the MYSTERY#7, 2 Thessalonians 2:6 "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time".
2 Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way”. supportive scripture, Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh”. (HOLD IT, walk “IN”, in, in, the Spirit? why not walk “AFTER” the Spirit. for it is the Spirit that’s “IN” you, the “Helper”, who help you/us finish the race”). “only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof”. “BINGO”… “YE” that’s old English for “YOU”. should "OBEY", but ye, "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God”. BINGO. LISTEN,

Galatians 5:17 "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would”. but God is GREATER, who helps us OVERCOMER,

1 John 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1 John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 John 4:5 "They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1 John 4:6 "We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

this is why we have the … “HELPER”, to help us not sin, or continue in it anymore. “he who now letteth will let, until he (self, the old man with that old false teaching, and full of false doctrine must be destroyed, but not the man himself.) be taken out of the way”.

this is why the truth is to be taught all over the world.

sitteth: who is in charge or control, “YOU”, false teaching or the "Word of God, the TRUTH". it's your choice to letteth or will let it your "will" or God's will. YOU are in charge.

PICJAG.

Very well stated, I've known for some time the he is me, but have always been opposed by the nay Sayers that we of course can't know the mysteries of God.

Thank you for your time.

101G · Apr 25, 2020

Waiting on him said:
Very well stated, I've known for some time the he is me, but have always been opposed by the nay Sayers that we of course can't know the mysteries of God.

Thank you for your time.

thanks, me too. years ago on another site, I was laugh to scorn... (smile) when I said it was "I" the person. but now many are taking a second look.

so keept up the Good work, and be blessed.

PICJAG.

Rocky Wiley · Apr 25, 2020

Waiting on him said:
Anybody?

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Pharisees and Scribes, that sent Jesus to the cross, claimed to be Jews.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Philip James · Apr 25, 2020

101G said:
“he who now letteth will let, until he (self, the old man with that old false teaching, and full of false doctrine must be destroyed, but not the man himself.) be taken out of the way”

Hi 101G,

I was trying to follow your posts here and i think i may have misunderstood you..
Are you saying that the 'old man' is that which restrains 'the man of sin' from being revealed?
Not sure that makes much sense to me.. Is it not rather the new man that restrains the evil of the old man?
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here. Can you clarify?

Peace!

Waiting on him · Apr 25, 2020

Come down off your throne and leave your body alone
Somebody must change
You are the reason I've been waiting all these years
Somebody holds the key
Well, I'm near the end and I just ain't got the time
And I'm wasted and I can't find my way home
I can't find my way home
But I can't find my way home
But I can't find my way home
But I can't find my way home
Still I can't find my way home
And I've done nothing wrong
But I can't find my way home

Always found this to be an interesting song

Timtofly · Apr 25, 2020

Philip James said:
Hi 101G,

I was trying to follow your posts here and i think i may have misunderstood you..
Are you saying that the 'old man' is that which restrains 'the man of sin' from being revealed?
Not sure that makes much sense to me.. Is it not rather the new man that restrains the evil of the old man?
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here. Can you clarify?

Peace!

If the new man is of the Holy Spirit, and the old man is of Satan, then basically it is the Holy Spirit restraining Satan the man of lawlessness.

FollowHim · Apr 25, 2020

Waiting on him said:
Anybody?

God sent the Babylonians to take Israel into captivity.

God seems to desire to show cause and effect, do this and you see what happens.
He does not interfere.

Sometimes when things have gone to far He sends a prophet to warn of judgement or He just blasts away.
I would suggest if He knows some will respond He warns them, if not it is a bad place to be.

Does the Holy Spirit prevent wicked from being revealed¿

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