I have reently read a book by Ellis Skolfield called The False Profit. It is one of the most interesting studies on Daniel I have ever seen. It will possibly change the way you think about prophesy. You will get a real education on how to inturpet prophesy.I dont want to start a discussion until one has read this book. I guarentee if you start to read it you wont stop. Just Google Ellis Skolfield go to his web site and dowload The False Profit. It is free.Crooner
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Well when I started reading it I had great hopes the first 3 or 4 chapters is very close to what we have been saying here for years I disagree with his 1967 date as I belive the scripture without doubt is describing 1948 but I dont have a real big problem with those choosing 1967 I just do not think it is as strongly supported in the scriptures,but I do think God used 67 as time maker, for something importantbut then comes my problem You can not use the Word "it" in Daniel to form an opinion on the the Amobination there is no differance between the hebrew word it,he,him ect. the translators chose "it" and while they may or may not have been correct we have to look at the rest of the verse to get a clearer more accurate view ..The author uses the Word "it" as his sole reasoning for making it " a thing" as opposed to a who/him...So lets look at the verse(below) next in the verse we have a "he" which the writter assumes applies to Nebucanezzer but there is no basis to conclude this from the verse ..the author is assuming because he is the king in Daniels day Nebucanezzer is the he ...but he never address the convenaut the "he" will confirm in the first part of the verse ... this is the same "he" that makes desolateand lastley according to the manuscripts the last two Words "the desolate" should read "the desolator" making it a person, Therefore only if these facts are ignored can one get a thing......instead of a whom ..... sense rev. and Danil are conevted books they both have to be fit together in a perfect fit One can not leave verse's hanging with no where to fit because it doesnt fit their view .....nor can you cause contradictions.Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."....................................The author states There is no reason to believe theLord was telling Daniel about an abolition of sacrifices that mighttake place 2500 years later, at the end of the Christian Era.Not a true statement this is a prophecy that the Lord tells daniel is to be sealed until the time of the End when knowledged has increased. His foot note reads :It cannot be positively proven from Jer 41:5 and 52:30 that sacrifices were abolished in 583BC................................The author StatesThe Moslems built the Dome of the Rock on the wrong rock!1Now I have no idea how you feel as you read that line, but Iremember how I felt twenty two years ago when I first understoodit. I sat at my desk, stunned for a moment, and then just leanedback and roared with laughter. I read the scriptural andarcheological data again and again, praising God. The rock theybuilt that dome on, As-Sakhra, has no historic or spiritual significancewhatsoever. The Dome of the Rock is right in the middle ofwhat was once the court of the Gentiles. Even ceremoniallyunwashed Canaanite slaves were allowed into the courtThat Moslem edifice is not now, and never hasbeen, over the old temple site. The dome was, is, and shall be (aslong as it stands) right in the middle of the Court of the Gentiles.Isn.t it wonderful to know that by permitting the temple.s totaldestruction, God protected His Holy of Holies from thedesecration of having a memorial to a false god, and the falseprophet, built over it?....................So if the dome is not on holie of holies it doesnt fulfill the prophecy. The author in his zeal to prove his point actully disproves his entire premise The Abomination of Desolation comited by the deslator must in/on the Holy of holies therefore the Dome can not fit the prochecy ..............I do agree with his some of his premises as far as Islam is concerned being a large part of the picture that been much ignored in this time of political correctness just not as he has applied it to scripture I found his description of time times and half times very intreging ..and it deserved futher consideration ... but upon closer examination I must disagree with him his proof is flimsy at best and when more closley examened.... I must conclude he is in error I was also pleased to see as we here at CB have been saying for years that 2 peter 3:8 is 1 day= 1000 years. i.e. one week is 7000 years. I dont think I am sure he used the best evedence of this fact ...but he is right...and this is a Jewish Idiom.My conclusion of what I have read so far is though I agree with some of his premisses I think he has fit it all together wrong ...He bases his whole time line on the building of the Dome of the Rock ... If we follow the scripture that can not work .So his whole premises falls apart ...the fact that certain numbers fit .... does not surprise me at all as God does that quite often Also notice on many he gets close or apporx. and God is exact not close ... He uses a solar calander in some places where he should apply a lunar calander and then his time even further off.I do not belive God based his biblical timing on the Dome of the Rock .... I have not finished the book as it started swaying to far from scripture and into speculation and applying verse's that met something else in wrong areas to make a point that did not work ...all in all if one has very good discernment is not easliy swayed by Words ,,,I think the Author does have some decent knowledge and some valid points.Theres is truth mixed with untruth mainly based on the fact he has a preconceived idea he is trying to prove .... And I believe that idea is wrong ...but some may get something from it .... As I said I didnt finish the book yet cant judge the rest of whats said yet . But sense I do not belive his foundation premise of the Dome of the Rock to be true and correct ...can not say I am really expecting much ....
I like what you brought out about the it, he, him, being the same hebrew word. What I like about God's bible, is that no matter how man translated some of the words, when you read the whole chapter and match it up with the rest of the topics on it, the point being made will be come clear who and what is being spoken about with plenty of details told. God is good to His children in seeing that we are delivered the truth, not to be lead astray. LOL vickie
Sounds intresting, you mind posting a link?[/quoteHere is the linkwww.ellisskolfield.com Down load the False Profit.
KrissNo ones even read this yet. I have met the author maybe I can get him to debate you. He's 82 years old and a very gracious christian paster as well as writer. I feel like your grandstanding this post with no one to debate with yet.I appreciate your energy, but let others read some of his stuff. The debate here gets so ferocious one wonders why you haven written your own book.
I read the parts of the book that I posted on ..... exactly as you askedthen posted my honest opinion .... I gave scriptural reasons why I disagree. I wasnt personally attacking him I just disagree with many of his conclusions....I didnt realize there was a rule... I was supposed to wait till others read the book before I could post my and opinion. Perhaps your disapproval at my honest opinion of what I read is based on your personal relationship with the Author.And if he wants to come here and debate me thats fine. sense I have based my opinon on biblical fact. I never discouraged anyone from reading the book I only pointed out they should bring their discernment. As God tells us to do ...Would you tell them other wise?
Yes I do you are afraid because I posted an opinion that was not as you wanted others may not bother to read your friends book ...understandable.. but unfair as it was an honest assement of my opinon ... If had totally agreed with him we wouldnt be having this conversation ... Well I dont think people are that easily swayed by my opinion. Or there would be no arguments on this site ..
Hello crooner,He has some interesting points. However, he is a preterist with a different twist (which makes you one if you agree with him). And being a dispensationalist (with a different twist), I have to disagree with his premise. He does have some interesting points.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
Hello Christina,When Christ became our sacrifice, the prophetic clock stopped. We wait for that clock to restart with the final seven years ending with Christ's return. There can be no predictions in the Bible (1948 and 1967), because if there were, then there would be more than 70 weeks of prophecy.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
I understand the logic of what you are saying Guy I just think your misunderstanding the meaning of the parable of the fig tree ... Its not the 70th week that started up in 1948/67 ..If it were you would be correct in your assessment ....Buts its not the 70th weekIt is the Latter Days, scripture in prophecy often refers to "This Generation" what generation the last generation of the Latter Days ... This is what the Parable is telling us ...Its marking the period of The Latter Days/identififying the Generation that will see these events ..it is at some point in these latter Days this End generation that Daniels 70th week will occur.
That's an interesting understanding of the 70 weeks. What I am miss understanding is there were prophets in Acts 11:27 that received from God about a famine was coming upon the land, that prophecy is or isn't considered to be counted as 70 wks prophecy after the death of Christ. Or is that something else different.....help me understand what you are saying. Thanks
He is not a preterist nor a futurest.
Daniel 9:27 And on a wing of the temple, he will set up an abomination. I think this coud qualify the Gential area where Mosque was built.
Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.This is when the end of sacrifices started in approx 583BC
So crooner, do you think the Word of God is a history book that it stops fulfilling the prophecies?And do you have proof in scripture that thus clod (assuming you misspelled cloud) refers to Gential area where Mosque was built?
It will be on the wing of the temple mount, which I am not sure exactly the spot, but it will have specific location on the mount being significant to a particularpart due to symbolism spoken about it in the bible. It won't matter that much to us for we will be taken there to be opposed by this man. I am assuming there will be great tribulations between when and where we are taken into captivity, to be brought before this man and his false prophet who will be at the temple mount in rulership for 1260 days.It will be some time after that point within a 45 day period that Christ comes. The reason why Jesus said the day or the hour is not known to anyone but the Father. Our Lord being the wonderful caring Lord he is, has given us the Saints the particular events and numbers to remember that the day he comes we will not be unaware, but rather expectant of his coming to remove us from the wickedness of the earth's people.
The seventy weeks spoken of in Daniel 922 says that he had come to give Daniel SKILL and UNDERSTANDING....v23 At the beginning of thy supplication THE COMMAND CAME FORTH. This was in 538 BC. I do not understand all of the confusion!!! 9:24 are clearly seventy weeks that THAT Hebrew nation that existed in 538 BC was given to stop sinning and make restitution for those sins and anoint the Most Holy. That Hebrew Nation did not recognise him and killed them as Gabriel said that they would. 9::26 And after three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off. They did thin in either 26 or 30 AD. V 26 KNOW THEREFORE and UNDERSTAND!!!! THIS WAS A COMMAND !! Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,and three score and two weeks Scholars say that this is talking about the second coming and I agree.
Crooner As I have said I do think you author makes some valid points Just not about the Abomination of desolation. The Abomination of desolation is in the middle of the week ...he breaks the covenant at midpoint ... but more importantly.. It is an act ... Antichrist declares himself to be God .... It is the act of a being/he/Satan that kindles the wrath of God ...not a buildingWhether we agree where he does this or not The fact is this act has not occurred yet ... And it certainly didn't occur 1300 years ago with a building ... To understand what God says r we must take ALL the verses on a subject and they must ALL fit.Like a glove ... This theory of the Dome isnt New and has been brought up here before and investigated and suggested by other writers/men ...problem is it does not fit all the scriptures. Example: your author takes 42 months changes it to years, and converts it to Solar ... While this could be possible if one stretches it ...The fact is months means Moons ..42 months is exactly 3 1/2 years (lunar calender) three and half year period 1260 days is also 3 1/2 years all are the same... Now why in Rev.in the describing describing this 3 1/2 year period of time does God mention Daniel to us? Is he going to throw in a strange formula for converting 42 months ...of Daniel? or is he pointing to the same period of time? Given in another prochecy that of a future event the abomination Daniel 12:13 "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days." Your author does the same with Time Times and half times .... He says this is 2500 years .. based on a formula that is extremely questionable ... If time = "X" ... Your author says X + X + 1/2 X= 2 1/2 (2500 years) based on the idea if one says a thing for example: .."God" and repeats it "God" he has only said it twice.But that's not what is said ..It doesn't repeat the term it multiples it by making it a plural adding an "S" If this was true then the scripture would have been written as Time(X)Time(X) 1/2 time (2 1/2)However that is NOT what the scripture says the scripture says Time (X) Times(XX) 1/2 time (3 1/2) same as 42 months .. 1260 days it all the same period of time 3 1/2 years given in days,months and years so all will understand. Notice also that the time of the two witnesses witnessing are given in days. When you compare the forty two months of Antichrist from Daniel 9, with the 1,260 days of the two witnesses, they are the same.And we know the two wittness's die in the street before they are resurrected for all to see they are our light in the darkness when Antichrist is here that why the time is the same for the two again placing this in the future... I could give you more scripture more evidence(like Rev.13:5) but I know you will not agree because you believe the Bible is history ... But sense as your author even agrees it was a closed book until 1948/67 which ever one believes ... Then why would God keep a history book closed? ... No! it was closed to all generations before, us the Last Generation, for the reason we are the ones who needed to understand it because its us it is going to happen to... And God is good and takes care of his children he wants us to know what is coming so we can be prepared with our spiritual armor on.Time explainedhttp://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks4.htmhttp://www.bible-reading.com/490yrs.html#wal_aP.S, remember I said in my post that Daniel 9:27 should be translated the desolator from the manuscripts ...Look how the New American Standard Bible translates this verse it is a being/he.... not a thing...9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations {will come} one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
Hello Vickie,You stated: That's an interesting understanding of the 70 weeks. What I am miss understanding is there were prophets in Acts 11:27 that received from God about a famine was coming upon the land, that prophecy is or isn't considered to be counted as 70 wks prophecy after the death of Christ. Or is that something else different.....help me understand what you are saying. Thanks My response: The Seventy weeks of prophecy concern Jerusalem and her people ( Dan 9:24 "Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city....). Acts 11:27 concerns the Roman empire which may or may not have affected Israel. The author of Bible prophecy is God. God used the prophets (prophetic secretarise of a sort) to document His prophecies. So, the prophecies written in Daniel are from God. So, this is cut and dry; either there is only Seventy weeks of prophecy or there is more. If there is more, then God could have said that there is say... 77 weeks of prophecy, but He didn't. He chose Seventy, and He knew there was only going to Seventy when He wrote the rest of the prophecies found in scripture.Knowing this, I am skeptical about the credentials of this so-called prophet in Acts 11. I am sure these events transpired as documented. I have to ask; is this Agabus a true and tested prophet of God or did he just get a few lucky guesses that got documented in Acts? There is not enough information, however, I am sure that if every word that came out of his mouth was accurate and from God (like the old testament prophets), that more probably would have been documented in scripture.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
Thanks for your reply. Acts 11:28 Said Agabus, stood up and "THROUGH THE SPIRIT" predicted a severe famine. Paul and Barnabas sent money back to Judea, to the brothers there. Confirming Paul and them believed Agabus. Where much persecutions took place making the prophecy true, for James, the brother of John put to death by King Herod and Peter was taken prisoner. The rest of the chapter and chapter 12 speak of persecutions and distress, which did come against the church.The verses make it clear that Agabus was filled with the spirit of God and God gave him the prediction to let the brethren know. Prophets have always been around, and are around today, for anyone who speaks of an act the Lord is going to bring in disaster is a true voice speaking from God. God has only sent messages of disaster every time God sends a message. Jerm. 28:8-9Therefore making what these prophets spoke from the spirit of God to be aligned with what God sends.I don't think anyone has the total of the 70 7's, as far as each time, though we are in the last 7 now as you will soon see this country's christians go into captivity, killed by the sword, just as Rev 13:10 prophesied us to. For our Lord has sent the message of disaster upon the Land of America and the world, by saying HE was sending the Tribulation through the Seed of Ishmael, and they are camped around us now. It won't be long now.
Hello Vickie,So, your position is that Daniel is wrong, that there are more than 70 weeks?In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
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