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Timtofly · Apr 29, 2020

DNB said:
The alter is figurative, no one is under the altar. The altar signifies that they were a sacrifice for Christ. It's imagery. Just like when Abel's blood cried out to God. It's figurative.

Still not sure how people who have not been to heaven can just say, "it's just figurative".

Here is some more figurative facts. The moon is a big round rock with crater marks. There is literally no moon.

The sun being a huge star of various gases. That is figurative, there is no actual sun.

The stars being celestial bodies, that is figurative. In reality they are angels.

See how easy that works....

Call me crazy, but the truth is stranger than just coming up with interpretations because the Bible cannot be read as given. It needs some help to make it seem more real?? Just wait till the skies are rolled back, and this virtual reality, we have been taught as a 14 billion year old universe, disappears.

DNB · Apr 29, 2020

Timtofly said:
Still not sure how people who have not been to heaven can just say, "it's just figurative".

Here is some more figurative facts. The moon is a big round rock with crater marks. There is literally no moon.

The sun being a huge star of various gases. That is figurative, there is no actual sun.

The stars being celestial bodies, that is figurative. In reality they are angels.

See how easy that works....

Call me crazy, but the truth is stranger than just coming up with interpretations because the Bible cannot be read as given. It needs some help to make it seem more real?? Just wait till the skies are rolled back, and this virtual reality, we have been taught as a 14 billion year old universe, disappears.

Actually, you're right, I was wrong. The depiction of the martyred saints was not figurative, ...but allegorical. The environment was fabricated, but the principle was valid - God will avenge his faithful.
Listen TTF, I don't mean to abandon the challenge, but this thread was not meant to be about a specific theological discussion, but rather about people's conviction and dogmatism. Maybe we can carry this on on another thread, as we know invariably this discussion will be broached again.
Thanks!

n2thelight · Apr 30, 2020

DNB said:
You're both wrong! No one has entered heaven except for Christ, all the rest are asleep waiting for judgement.

See,here we go.The spirit at death returns to the Father.Where is the Father?
No such thing as soul sleep...

How can Christ bring them with Him at His return,if they are not already there.

Also,the flesh will not rise.... At death or His return which ever comes first it's (flesh)is over with.

DNB · Apr 30, 2020

n2thelight said:
See,here we go.The spirit at death returns to the Father.Where is the Father?
No such thing as soul sleep...

How can Christ bring them with Him at His return,if they are not already there.

Also,the flesh will not rise.... At death or His return which ever comes first it's (flesh)is over with.

Into the Father's possession, not His abode.
Everyone (worth mentioning) was described as 'fell asleep' when they died.
Christ returns with his angels, not his martyrs or saints (Matthew 16:27, Matthew 25:31, Mark 8:38, 2 Thessalonians 1:7)
That which is temporal, does not inherit eternality.

Let's discuss this on another thread, please. We're off topic at this point, quite a bit.

n2thelight · Apr 30, 2020

DNB said:
Into the Father's possession, not His abode.
Everyone (worth mentioning) was described as 'fell asleep' when they died.
Christ returns with his angels, not his martyrs or saints (Matthew 16:27, Matthew 25:31, Mark 8:38, 2 Thessalonians 1:7)
That which is temporal, does not inherit eternality.

Let's discuss this on another thread, please. We're off topic at this point, quite a bit.

Okay gonna start a thread now

marksman · Apr 30, 2020

n2thelight said:
Gonna start this with a question.Are you willing to stand alone before God,and make an account of what you are teaching?I ask because I can't count the many different views on this forum,and many other's that are different,in other words,we are teaching or suppose to be His Word,and we will be held accountable.

So my next question,are you willing to bet your soul on what you teach?

To answer my own question ,I am!!!!

As one who has been anointed with the gift of teaching, most of what is posted is not teaching. It is opinion and opinion is not teaching.

This happens for two reasons. One, people are frustrated that they are not allowed to make any meaningful contribution in their church and two, their church does not teach so they have no idea what it is.

DNB · May 1, 2020

marksman said:
As one who has been anointed with the gift of teaching, most of what is posted is not teaching. It is opinion and opinion is not teaching.

This happens for two reasons. One, people are frustrated that they are not allowed to make any meaningful contribution in their church and two, their church does not teach so they have no idea what it is.

Is this an opinion, are you teaching through the anointment that you received?
I assume the former.

Bobby Jo · May 1, 2020

Keraz said:
... It would be a nice change to see some useful dialogue and genuine insights from you.

I didn't think you knew how to spell "insights". -- So how about if you resolve exactly why Rev. 12 says SEVEN DIADEMS, but Rev. 13 says TEN DIADEMS. What changed?

Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo · May 1, 2020

Enoch111 said:
This is your own fanciful interpretation, and Daniel would say that someone has gone into flights of fancy (or worse).

You deny what Scripture and History defend, -- but as the saying goes: ignorance can be "cured", but stupidity is forever. So maybe we can find out if you have any "insight" at all, by both you and @Keraz explaining why Rev. 12 says SEVEN Diadems; but Rev. 13 says TEN Diadems.

The PROOF is in the pudding, and I love pudding.
Bobby Jo

To All,

Slanderers disparage TRUTH, and then RUN AWAY like little girls when challenged.

Silly People.
Bobby Jo

DNB · May 1, 2020

Bobby Jo said:
Slanderers disparage TRUTH, and then RUN AWAY like little girls when challenged.

How dare you insult little girls?

bbyrd009 · May 2, 2020

Timtofly said:
Still not sure how people who have not been to heaven can just say, "it's just figurative".

No one has ever gone up to heaven
The kingdom of heaven is within you
so now you know

Timtofly said:
Just wait till the skies are rolled back, and this virtual reality, we have been taught as a 14 billion year old universe, disappears.

ok well i dont know ok, but i wouldnt be holding my breath for that or anything, might be billions of years away

Bobby Jo · May 2, 2020

MANY will stand before GOD, and have to explain why they were so far from the TRUTH of Scripture, having been warned of their error and not reconciling with the the TRUTH of Scripture:

Matt. 5:23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

Perhaps pride/comfort-zone/ignorance is more cherished than TRUTH.
Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo · May 2, 2020

Re-Post:

Everyone has words, but few have deeds. So let me START with a two-fold question:

PREMISE #1:
Dan. 2 outlines the sequence of world empires.

The commentators interpret it as FOUR World Empires:

1. Gold, Babylonian
2. Silver, Medo/Persian
3. Bronze, Grecian
4.a. Iron, Roman
4.b. Clay, Revived Roman

Dan. 2:45 presents it as:

4. Iron, (Roman)
3. Bronze, Grecian
5. Clay, "Divided"
2. Silver, Medo/Persian
1. Gold, Babylonian
-- Where there are FIVE World Empires.

Question #1:

Are there FOUR or FIVE?

PREMISE #2:

The commentators present Dan. 2 as "FOUR" and Dan. 7 as a "repeat" of FOUR.

Dan. 2:45 says FIVE, and we know that FIVE ≠ FOUR.

Question #2:

Because we know that FIVE ≠ FOUR, -- can we conclude that the Dan. 7 FOUR represent the FIFTH "Divided Kingdom":

Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.
Bear, Russia
Leopard (actually a TIGER), China
"dreadful", United Nations

So forget about "standing before GOD". -- Is anyone willing to be a FALSE TEACHER?!?
Bobby Jo

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The two questions still stand, and given the self professed "expertise" of MANY in this Forum, one has to consider whether this TOPIC is a rhetorical question, or whether there is a tangible consequence for "teaching" FALSE DOCTRINES.

And I think the answer is obvious, -- nobody cares about teaching the TRUTH of Scripture. FALSE doctrines have priority, and any consequences be damned.
Bobby Jo

Davy · May 9, 2020

I think a Christian forum is the world's worst... place to get real Bible understanding because of the many on false traditions of men, which God's Word shows is about 5/7ths of Churches for the end (based on Revelation 2 & 3).

Only 2 out 7 Churches will be teaching the true Word of God for these end times.

Timtofly · May 9, 2020

Davy said:
I think a Christian forum is the world's worst... place to get real Bible understanding because of the many on false traditions of men, which God's Word shows is about 5/7ths of Churches for the end (based on Revelation 2 & 3).

Only 2 out 7 Churches will be teaching the true Word of God for these end times.

How about none of the churches will be totally ready, but it will not matter will it? Churches are just local gathering places. It is the person in the pew who are meeting God in the tribulation. Every single human on earth on an individual basis are supposed to be ready in their own heart and mind.

Davy · May 15, 2020

Timtofly said:
How about none of the churches will be totally ready, but it will not matter will it? Churches are just local gathering places. It is the person in the pew who are meeting God in the tribulation. Every single human on earth on an individual basis are supposed to be ready in their own heart and mind.

Lord Jesus showed us in His Revelation that 2 of the 7 candlesticks will NOT be deceived, and will make a stand with God's two witnesses during the tribulation. The reason you don't know that is because you're being taught men's doctrines instead, and that is what already has you deceived.

quietthinker · May 15, 2020

Bobby Jo said:
Hmmmmmm, -- I don't think it's such a big deal to bet a person's soul, but more can they DEFEND what they teach.

Ignorant people don't necessarily know they're ignorant, and of course they'll "bet their own soul", BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST INFORMATION THEY HAVE. Now if each of us thought through what we do or do not know, then it might be a much different DECISION.

You said it BJ….you don't feel like your shooting yourself in the foot?

Bobby Jo · May 15, 2020

quietthinker said:
You said it BJ….you don't feel like your shooting yourself in the foot?

Better to risk shooting the foot, that shooting the mouth off -- as you so aptly demonstrate. But what is "christianity" (small "c") except looking to assail, -- and they'll probably not be found near Jesus.

Take some ice with you,
Bobby Jo

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