Last days are here today! Are you ready to meet Jesus in the clouds??

GISMYS_7 · May 1, 2020

Open your eyes!! Wake up!! Time is very short.
Last days are here today! Are you ready to meet Jesus in the clouds??
Jesus is telling the generation that sees all the signs He named would not die before His return. PTL. We are that generation. We are seeing the signs Jesus named Israel became a nation again after 2000 years May 15,1948 and the Jews are being brought back to their homeland Israel and the Jewish people regained control of Jerusalem July 1967 and we see the HUGE increase of man's knowledge and travel Bible prophecy talks about and the huge increase of big 6.0 + earthquakes and volcano eruptions worldwide, sink holes and the signs in the heavens=blood moons and weather changes, plague, pestilence!! Get ready to meet Jesus!!!

Randy Kluth · May 1, 2020

Timtofly said:
If God wills you to leave with the church, will you argue with God, why?

I don't believe in arguing with God, though in moments of weakness we may do this. I do *not* believe God wills to take the Church off the earth before the Antichrist rises. Why? It's because the Bible says the opposite:

2 Thess 2.1 Now regarding the arrival of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to be with him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily shaken from your composure or disturbed by any kind of spirit or message or letter allegedly from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

Why don't you believe this? Why would you want to pervert the interpretation of this just to preserve a different doctrine?

This passage, read quite naturally, and understood for many centuries of Christians, indicates that Christ cannot *arrive* on earth before the Antichrist himself appears and is destroyed--he is destroyed at the very Coming of Christ.

So no, Christ cannot come *before the Antichrist* to take the Church out! It is not God's will to do this, obviously, since Paul here expresses God's will as the opposite, for Christians to *be here* when the Antichrist reigns!

Timtofly · May 1, 2020

Randy Kluth said:
I don't believe in arguing with God, though in moments of weakness we may do this. I do *not* believe God wills to take the Church off the earth before the Antichrist rises. Why? It's because the Bible says the opposite:

2 Thess 2.1 Now regarding the arrival of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to be with him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily shaken from your composure or disturbed by any kind of spirit or message or letter allegedly from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

Why don't you believe this? Why would you want to pervert the interpretation of this just to preserve a different doctrine?

This passage, read quite naturally, and understood for many centuries of Christians, indicates that Christ cannot *arrive* on earth before the Antichrist himself appears and is destroyed--he is destroyed at the very Coming of Christ.

So no, Christ cannot come *before the Antichrist* to take the Church out! It is not God's will to do this, obviously, since Paul here expresses God's will as the opposite, for Christians to *be here* when the Antichrist reigns!

Satan is the one being revealed, the antichrist who has deceived all on earth. The tribulation is here, not the day of the Lord. The rebellion is those not wanting to reveal Satan and the deception humanity cannot see. In fact, christians defiantly refuse to see this deception. My burden is to point out this deception, but godly people rebel against hearing the truth. And yes, Christ can come and just find foolish virgins being deceived by Satan.

Randy Kluth · May 1, 2020

Timtofly said:
Satan is the one being revealed, the antichrist who has deceived all on earth. The tribulation is here, not the day of the Lord. The rebellion is those not wanting to reveal Satan and the deception humanity cannot see. In fact, christians defiantly refuse to see this deception. My burden is to point out this deception, but godly people rebel against hearing the truth. And yes, Christ can come and just find foolish virgins being deceived by Satan.

I'm not surprised you place yourself on one side, and "Christians" and "godly people" on the other side. I think I side with the godly people and with Christians!

Your interpretations misconstrue the realities, as I see them. I need not continue since you set yourself against Christians and godly people.

Timtofly · May 1, 2020

Randy Kluth said:
I'm not surprised you place yourself on one side, and "Christians" and "godly people" on the other side. I think I side with the godly people and with Christians!

Your interpretations misconstrue the realities, as I see them. I need not continue since you set yourself against Christians and godly people.

Paul set himself, against you as well, because it was Paul who said the elect would be decieved. I will side with Paul on this one. In over coming an addiction, and God let me recover from one, the first step is acknowledgment of the addiction. Of course a deceived person will claim they are not being deceived. That is why it is called a deception. If you actually can figure out this deception, you would agree with at least Paul.

07-07-07 · May 2, 2020

How is it people can't see the convergence of all the signs that Jesus and the prophets foretold? What's more, keep your eye on Emmanuel Macron, as I wholeheartedly believe he is the false messiah.

GISMYS_7 · May 2, 2020

MattMooradian said:
Luke 17:20 "The kingdom of God comes not with observation. Nor will they say, 'See its here', or 'See its there'. For, indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

Yes! God has a spiritual and a physical kingdom.

bbyrd009 · May 2, 2020

07-07-07 said:
How is it people can't see the convergence of all the signs that Jesus and the prophets foretold?

11Ask they were listening to this, He went on to tell a parable because He was near Jerusalem,l and they thought the kingdom of God was going to appear right away.m

12 Therefore He said: “A nobleman traveled to a far country to receive for himself authority to be king n and then return. 13 He called 10 of his •slaves, gave them 10 minas,o and told them, ‘Engage in business until I come back.’

14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We don’t want this man to rule over us! ’

15 “At his return, having received the authority to be king,p he summoned those slaves he had given the money to, so he could find out how much they had made in business. 16 The first came forward and said, ‘Master, your mina has earned 10 more minas.’

17 “ ‘Well done, good q slave ! ’ he told him. ‘Because you have been faithful r in a very small matter, have authority over 10 towns.’

bbyrd009 · May 2, 2020

18 “The second came and said, ‘Master, your mina has made five minas.’

19 “So he said to him, ‘You will be over five towns.’

20 “And another came and said, ‘Master, here is your mina. I have kept it hidden away in a cloth 21 because I was afraid of you, for you’re a tough man: you collect what you didn’t deposit and reap what you didn’t sow.’s

22 “He told him, ‘I will judge you by what you have said,t you evil slave! If you knew I was a tough man, collecting what I didn’t deposit and reaping what I didn’t sow, 23 why didn’t you put my money in the bank? And when I returned, I would have collected it with interest! ’ 24 So he said to those standing there, ‘Take the mina away from him and give it to the one who has 10 minas.’

25 “But they said to him, ‘Master, he has 10 minas.’

26 “ ‘I tell you, that to everyone who has, more will be given; and from the one who does not have, even what he does have will be taken away.u 27 But bring here these enemies of mine,v who did not want me to rule over them, and slaughter w them in my presence.’ ”

so iow obv not Christ, right. So maybe understand the parable, and then understand the answer to your Q i guess

Randy Kluth · May 3, 2020

Timtofly said:
Paul set himself, against you as well, because it was Paul who said the elect would be decieved. I will side with Paul on this one. In over coming an addiction, and God let me recover from one, the first step is acknowledgment of the addiction. Of course a deceived person will claim they are not being deceived. That is why it is called a deception. If you actually can figure out this deception, you would agree with at least Paul.

At one time I was a drug/alcohol counselor. Having been partially addicted myself, others felt I might be able to help those who were fully addicted. I also got myself into a Christian cult for a short time. That spurred me on to study apologetics, when I got out, and I came to be more astute at discerning deceptions.

In judging me you just show that you don't know me. Having different views is fine. But there is a line we shouldn't cross if we wish to be considered genuine Christians. Attacking Christians does not help your case.

Randy Kluth · May 3, 2020

07-07-07 said:
How is it people can't see the convergence of all the signs that Jesus and the prophets foretold? What's more, keep your eye on Emmanuel Macron, as I wholeheartedly believe he is the false messiah.

Brother, the Antichrist will be known when he takes the reins of power in Europe, consolidating 10 states under his power, and defeating 3 leaders in the process. He will then begin to dispose of Christianity throughout his realm, and will likely destroy the city of Rome.

You don't need to focus on future prophecy as much as on what God is saying today. There are plenty of false Christs, both religious and political. We are to be on guard against all deceptions which claim to be some kind of earthly utopia. We have to keep our Christian standards when those on the political Left and on the religious Left tell us peace comes by tolerance and by letting all religions have their way.

Paul Christensen · May 3, 2020

Timtofly said:
God is saying that in less than 3 years, the Second Coming is going to happen. There will still be people alive in the next 3 years of the generation from 1948.

There is no more speculation or even thinking all was settled in 70AD. I doubt few people on earth will change their belief until Revelation 6:12-17:

12 Then I watched as he broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake, the sun turned black as sackcloth worn in mourning, and the full moon became blood-red.
13 The stars fell from heaven to earth just as a fig tree drops its figs when shaken by a strong wind.
14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.
15 Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the rich and the mighty — indeed, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains,
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of the One sitting on the throne and from the fury of the Lamb!
17 For the Great Day of their fury has come, and who can stand?”

When the whole world sees God on the throne, belief will be suspended, at least as long as God is present. That is not going to happen years from now. That is only months away. The throne of God and the Lamb in Revelation 6 is NOT the Second Coming. That is the Rapture. The Second Coming is after the trumpets and thunderings. The trumpets and thunderings will be over in less than 3 years.

Being firm in the belief of it all happening in 70AD does not matter, as now we can be firm the end is also here now, without any more wiggle room to not be prepared.

the thing about apocalyptic literature is that it is not in chronological order like a history. It can deal with the past, present, and future all at the same time. We can't say that the second coming will come in three years time, because we don't know. No one knows except the Father. Predictions about the second coming have been made all through the centuries since the First Century and they have all proved wrong. All we are told is to "occupy until I come", and that people will be going about their normal lives, and it will happen suddenly.

Timtofly · May 3, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
the thing about apocalyptic literature is that it is not in chronological order like a history. It can deal with the past, present, and future all at the same time. We can't say that the second coming will come in three years time, because we don't know. No one knows except the Father. Predictions about the second coming have been made all through the centuries since the First Century and they have all proved wrong. All we are told is to "occupy until I come", and that people will be going about their normal lives, and it will happen suddenly.

When God reveals it to you, you will know. The whole point about not knowing 1990 years ago, is because people in the first 1900 years, would not know it as soon. They may have given up and done nothing.

Paul Christensen · May 3, 2020

Timtofly said:
When God reveals it to you, you will know. The whole point about nor knowing 1990 years ago, is because people in the first 1900 would not know it was soon. They may have given up and done nothing.

God has already revealed it to me in the literal words of the Book of Revelation. If you are expecting some sort of extra-Biblical voice speaking to me what you already believe, don't hold your breath!

Timtofly · May 3, 2020

Randy Kluth said:
At one time I was a drug/alcohol counselor. Having been partially addicted myself, others felt I might be able to help those who were fully addicted. I also got myself into a Christian cult for a short time. That spurred me on to study apologetics, when I got out, and I came to be more astute at discerning deceptions.

In judging me you just show that you don't know me. Having different views is fine. But there is a line we shouldn't cross if we wish to be considered genuine Christians. Attacking Christians does not help your case.

So why accuse me of being on the wrong side? God is the one saying all would be decieved. If one is trying to point out that deception, would it be to lie more about it, or trying to get some to actually see the truth? Satan already has us decieved, anything different is going to be the truth. Nothing people have been taught in eschatology or prophecy lign up with the judgments in Revelation. Why is that? Because most history taught today and spiritual wickedness have blinded the eyes of the church, and nothing, man trying to fit creationism into Genesis, reformed theology, conspiracy theories, not one thing can be found in Scripture to back any of it up. Perhaps bits and pieces, just enough to make intelligent and educated guesses, but only guesses, nontheless.

Timtofly · May 3, 2020

Paul Christensen said:
God has already revealed it to me in the literal words of the Book of Revelation. If you are expecting some sort of extra-Biblical voice speaking to me what you already believe, don't hold your breath!

God gives us thoughts, not voices in our heads.

BARNEY BRIGHT · May 3, 2020

I agree that we are in the last days, that we are living during Jesus Christ 2nd presence. The majority of those who call themselves Christians believe they will be caught up into the air and meet Jesus in the clouds literally seeing him. In reality however, only a a small number will be bought from among mankind and be in heaven with Jesus Christ. These will be the ones who will be kings, priests and judges with Jesus in the Messianic kingdom, these will be the ones who will get a resurrection like Jesus and be rewarded with immortality and inherit incorruption like Jesus. They are the ones who will rule over the Earth with Jesus. They are also the only ones besides the Angels that will literally see Jesus. The rest of those on Earth who are Christians will see the signs that Jesus spoke of concerning the last days and his 2nd presence and know they are living in the period of Jesus 2nd presence but they will never literally see Jesus. These Christians and those who are resurrected during the thousand year reign(righteous & unrighteous) will be the subjects of the Messianic kingdom who will live on paradise earth. Jesus and those who will be kings, priests, & judges in that heavenly messianic kingdom with Jesus will rule over the subjects of the Messianic kingdom who will be living on earth forever.

GISMYS_7 · May 3, 2020

All born again believers that do not reject the rapture will be raptured but many people that will be left behind will see their error and become believers but then must try to live under anti-christ rule and many will be beheaded ==be wise.

Randy Kluth · May 3, 2020

Timtofly said:
So why accuse me of being on the wrong side? God is the one saying all would be decieved. If one is trying to point out that deception, would it be to lie more about it, or trying to get some to actually see the truth? Satan already has us decieved, anything different is going to be the truth. Nothing people have been taught in eschatology or prophecy lign up with the judgments in Revelation. Why is that? Because most history taught today and spiritual wickedness have blinded the eyes of the church, and nothing, man trying to fit creationism into Genesis, reformed theology, conspiracy theories, not one thing can be found in Scripture to back any of it up. Perhaps bits and pieces, just enough to make intelligent and educated guesses, but only guesses, nontheless.

That's classic cultism. Only you have the truth and all else are deceived. Is that what you're saying? We should all generally conclude that the way is narrow, and that many go down the path that's wide. But Christianity is defined by its orthodoxy and by its practice.

Yes, generally speaking, people are sinners and tend to make lots of errors. But there is a difference between genuine Christianity and nonChristians--that should not be ignored when we criticize.

I don't at all believe that all of the different theological systems are void of biblical truth. I benefit from most all of them, including the ones that have significant deviations, because most often there is some legitimate truth there. We should criticize but not become "critical," agree?

Randy Kluth · May 3, 2020

GISMYS_7 said:
All born again believers that do not reject the rapture will be raptured but many people that will be left behind will see their error and become believers but then must try to live under anti-christ rule and many will be beheaded ==be wise.

So if I jump off a cliff and believe that I won't fall, I will just remain suspended in the air? The laws of physics require that I face reality when I face real life.

It's the same thing with history. It matters not if I want to believe I will be "raptured out" of this world before Antichrist arises. If God has not said so in His word, all of the "faith" in the world will not get us delivered.

So why just assert this or that? We must prove our position is biblicali--otherwise, we're just telling others to believe not God but *us!*

Last days are here today! Are you ready to meet Jesus in the clouds??

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