Where in the bible does it say I need to use it

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald · Apr 28, 2020

I state something, and then you say I need to support it with the bible. Why? Because the bible is God's word that he handed down to humanity as a guide? No, it's not. But you all say it is huh? So I'm going to make it real easy for you to prove your point and ask you where in the bible does it say God gave Christians the bible as a guide for life and that's it? I'm going to put a few refutations for common misquotations below
1. All scripture is God breathed but that verse does not state anything about scriptures existence only being in the bible
2.The end of revelations only applies to the book of revelations, not this culmination you guys concocted.
The only thing God ever sent down was His Spirit. He sent the Spirit to guide Christians, not this culmination of writing (most of which is unreliable anyways). You may say," but it's all reliable." I'm going to ask you why is that? The only reason to believe something is true is God, so in order for the writings of a person to be held as scripture that person needs to say what God says. None of the apostles fit the bill, so you can't go believing what they say to be true because they said it. The words of Jesus are different as he was wholly in line with God, but since the apostles weren't, you can't go believing what they said just because they said it. This goes for all the other writers too. Anyways, I don't expect anyone to understand this. However, consider this a call to those who do.

kcnalp · Apr 29, 2020

2 Timothy 3:16 (CJB)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed ...
Psalm 119:105
105 Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

It's your opinions VS the Bible.

DNB · May 2, 2020

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald said:
I state something, and then you say I need to support it with the bible. Why? Because the bible is God's word that he handed down to humanity as a guide? No, it's not. But you all say it is huh? So I'm going to make it real easy for you to prove your point and ask you where in the bible does it say God gave Christians the bible as a guide for life and that's it? I'm going to put a few refutations for common misquotations below
1. All scripture is God breathed but that verse does not state anything about scriptures existence only being in the bible
2.The end of revelations only applies to the book of revelations, not this culmination you guys concocted.
The only thing God ever sent down was His Spirit. He sent the Spirit to guide Christians, not this culmination of writing (most of which is unreliable anyways). You may say," but it's all reliable." I'm going to ask you why is that? The only reason to believe something is true is God, so in order for the writings of a person to be held as scripture that person needs to say what God says. None of the apostles fit the bill, so you can't go believing what they say to be true because they said it. The words of Jesus are different as he was wholly in line with God, but since the apostles weren't, you can't go believing what they said just because they said it. This goes for all the other writers too. Anyways, I don't expect anyone to understand this. However, consider this a call to those who do.

How did you even find out about Jesus, Ronald? And don't even try to say that the Spirit told you. You read it in the Bible. Same with the two Covenants, the Patriarchs, Creation, and God's attributes. You are a liar and a fool, if you dare to say that you learnt all this from an endowment of the Spirit. You didn't even know about the Holy Spirit except through Scripture.

DNB · May 2, 2020

kcnalp said:
Oh, you think you're Paul?

My great grandfather was named Paul. Does that count?

Taken · May 2, 2020

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald said:
I state something, and then you say I need to support it with the bible. Why?

Good question.

But strange how you asked a question and then answered the question.

You should be aware, when you disagree with others, you are probably not the best candidate to speak FOR THEM.

The answer to your question is:
The other person is looking to see "IF" you use the Bible as your guide for Godly knowledge, or not.

It establishes whether or not there is common ground to have a worthy conversation with you about Spiritual things.

Glory to God,
Taken

mjrhealth · May 3, 2020

kcnalp said:
2 Timothy 3:16 (CJB)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed ...
Psalm 119:105
105 Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

It's your opinions VS the Bible.

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

You know why He gets no honour, because it is all given to the bible, men even stole His name and gave it to the bible, "the word of God".

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

OP is right.

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

apparently He is just the figment of mens imagination.

Windmillcharge · May 3, 2020

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald said:
where in the bible does it say God gave Christians the bible as a guide for life

More to the point what can you show or say that will convince me that you have the authority to reject scripture?

Jay Ross · May 3, 2020

Perhaps, the case can be made that it is our respective interpretation of the "source" scriptures that is being questioned and not the actual "source" scriptures.

Many of the disagreements on this forum with respect to the scriptures come about because of the various interpretations that we all apply to the scriptures and the interpretations applied to the translations that we read today as the basis of our "scared scriptures" that we refer to.

The question raised in the previous post is, can the writer of the previous post show, that, has, the "scared scriptures" he uses as the source for his wisdom, not already been corrupted?

Let us take two examples of the same basic parable,

Luke 19:12: - 12 Therefore He said: "A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

Matt 25:14: - 14 "For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them.

Both gospels are describing the same place. The Greek text translated as: -

"a far country," in the Luke parable, can also be translated as "the abyss for a long time."

"travelling to a far country," in the Matthew parable, can be translated as "going into a voluminous place."

The above translations by the scholars suggests that they believed that the "man" going away was Christ, whereas the place that was described in both passages indicated that the person would be in the Bottomless Pit as John described in Revelation 20:1-3, before he is released so that he can return and from Rev 20:1-3 we are told that Satan goes away to a place where he had to transfer his influence to his faithful servants during the time while he was away.

The poor translation of these two parables has lead to the misunderstanding of who the "man" is that goes away.

The problem we have is that the required proof and work necessary to justify the above opinion is difficult to provide to those who believe that their "scared translations" are above reproach.

This has lead to the mistaken belief among many "Christians," that they will come back to rule the earth with Christ, for 1,000 years, after they have been raptured.

This is the basis of the "he said," "they said," discussions that clog the Christian boards on the internet. A total unproductive past time on the internet.

Shalom

Jane_Doe22 · May 3, 2020

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald said:
I state something, and then you say I need to support it with the bible. Why? Because the bible is God's word that he handed down to humanity as a guide? No, it's not. But you all say it is huh? So I'm going to make it real easy for you to prove your point and ask you where in the bible does it say God gave Christians the bible as a guide for life and that's it? I'm going to put a few refutations for common misquotations below
1. All scripture is God breathed but that verse does not state anything about scriptures existence only being in the bible
2.The end of revelations only applies to the book of revelations, not this culmination you guys concocted.
The only thing God ever sent down was His Spirit. He sent the Spirit to guide Christians, not this culmination of writing (most of which is unreliable anyways). You may say," but it's all reliable." I'm going to ask you why is that? The only reason to believe something is true is God, so in order for the writings of a person to be held as scripture that person needs to say what God says. None of the apostles fit the bill, so you can't go believing what they say to be true because they said it. The words of Jesus are different as he was wholly in line with God, but since the apostles weren't, you can't go believing what they said just because they said it. This goes for all the other writers too. Anyways, I don't expect anyone to understand this. However, consider this a call to those who do.

You argument here is essentially the standard non-sola-scriptura arguments. Considering vast majority of Christians aren't sola-scriptura, I don't see much argument to be had here. I actually agree with a lot of your points.

DNB · May 3, 2020

Jane_Doe22 said:
You argument here is essentially the standard non-sola-scriptura arguments. Considering vast majority of Christians aren't sola-scriptura, I don't see much argument to be had here. I actually agree with a lot of your points.

If there's no Bible, then there's no Law, if there's no Law, then there's no sin. If there's no sin, then there's no atonement, no Jesus and no cross. All of the uniquely Christian, paramount and salvific doctrines, of God and man, are discovered and defined solely from the Bible. There is not a man on earth that has received these revelations outside of the Bible, that is, except solely the inspired authors themselves.
Exegesis may be inspired from the Spirit, but the historical facts and the tenets themselves about salvation, are derived solely from the Bible. One is not saved if they do not adhere to the Gospel of Christ Jesus, which is defined exclusively from within the Bible.

Jane_Doe22 · May 4, 2020

DNB said:
If there's no Bible, then there's no Law, if there's no Law, then there.s no sin. If there's no sin, then there's no atonement, no Jesus and no cross. All of the uniquely Christian, paramount and salvific doctrines of God and man, are discovered and defined solely from the Bible. There is not a man on earth that has received these revelations outside of the Bible, that is, solely the authors themselves.
Exegesis may be inspired from the Spirit, but the historical facts and the tenets themselves about salvation, are derived solely from the Bible. One is not saved if they do not adhere to the Gospel of Christ Jesus, which is defined exclusively from within the Bible.

It’s God alone whom saves. He, His Law, His Mercy, and His wonders existed well before pen was ever put to paper.

Scripture is super super important. But let’s remember whom is the Savior and Most High.

Heart2Soul · May 4, 2020

I put together a lesson I shared with some sisters and in this lesson it shows very plainly WHY you need to know scripture....
Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Did you know Satan knows the scriptures? And he will quote them to you...His version anyway.

Notice verse 6 I highlighted it in red...

Again Satan says "IF" and adds to it "For it is written"....do you know how many times Christians have said if you are a Christian then you should be able to do this and that...or they quote scripture at you to set you up for condemnation and failure.
Then Satan takes what was written and applies his interpretation to it thereby twisting it...by saying He shall give his angels charge concerning thee....Psalm 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
That scripture is taken out of context and it doesn't include the other verses that pertains to it.
This is what Christians do everyday on this forum.
Here is the whole context of that scripture: Psalm 91:9-12
9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Jesus knew this scripture was being misquoted and misapplied....but instead of telling Satan you are not rightly applying scripture He answered with an answer that defeats even the twisted version...it is written Thou Shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

The temptation here is to listen to the enemy and believe a lie because he spoke scripture and you didn't recognize how it was twisted...."rightly dividing the truth" "test every spirit"....This is why we must KNOW the Word and diligent to study it so we can rightfully divide the truth and test the spirit...but we have the Holy Spirit to help us here.

Heart2Soul · May 4, 2020

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In all of the above scriptures of Jesus being tempted when Satan tempted Him, He answered IT IS WRITTEN....and quoted the scripture.
You defeat temptation by speaking the word of God and telling him It Is Written...

farouk · May 4, 2020

The Lord Jesus said: "Thy word is truth" (John 17.17)

Psalm 119.105 says: 'Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path'.

Enoch111 · May 4, 2020

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald said:
Anyways, I don't expect anyone to understand this.

That's a reasonable assumption.

mjrhealth · May 4, 2020

DNB said:
If there's no Bible,

law came before the bible did.

quietthinker · May 4, 2020

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald said:
I state something, and then you say I need to support it with the bible. Why? Because the bible is God's word that he handed down to humanity as a guide? No, it's not. But you all say it is huh? So I'm going to make it real easy for you to prove your point and ask you where in the bible does it say God gave Christians the bible as a guide for life and that's it? I'm going to put a few refutations for common misquotations below
1. All scripture is God breathed but that verse does not state anything about scriptures existence only being in the bible
2.The end of revelations only applies to the book of revelations, not this culmination you guys concocted.
The only thing God ever sent down was His Spirit. He sent the Spirit to guide Christians, not this culmination of writing (most of which is unreliable anyways). You may say," but it's all reliable." I'm going to ask you why is that? The only reason to believe something is true is God, so in order for the writings of a person to be held as scripture that person needs to say what God says. None of the apostles fit the bill, so you can't go believing what they say to be true because they said it. The words of Jesus are different as he was wholly in line with God, but since the apostles weren't, you can't go believing what they said just because they said it. This goes for all the other writers too. Anyways, I don't expect anyone to understand this. However, consider this a call to those who do.

The bible doesn't tell me to breath every few seconds so isn't it wonderful how I'm free to choose not to breath.....I''m not bound by that age old book that all those Christians adhere to.....I'm actually free, free, free!!!!!

Windmillcharge · May 4, 2020

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald said:
The only reason to believe something is true is God

That is nonsense. I don't have to believe in facts just because of God.
Truth is those facts that most accurately account for something.
Truth does not change just because I do or do not believe in God.

RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald said:
you can't go believing what they said just because they said it. This goes for all the other writers to

The normal process is to believe what someone has told you untill you discover that it is not true. We give people the benefit of the doubt.

The Bible can be demonstrated to be very accurate, it has been very carefull compiled and strict standards were applied to the books that were being considered for inclusion.
In the case of the NT the writers had to have accompanied vJesus or to have been close companions of the apostles.

It is strange that skeptics with a known bias are hostile to the accuracy of the N T while historians accept that it is historically accurate.
So as it is given the benefit of the doubt and can be shown to be historically accurate. On what grounds do you challenge Christians use and reliance on it.

DNB · May 4, 2020

Jane_Doe22 said:
It’s God alone whom saves. He, His Law, His Mercy, and His wonders existed well before pen was ever put to paper.

Scripture is super super important. But let’s remember whom is the Savior and Most High.

You would not have know of anything that you just asserted, if it wasn't for Scripture. Scripture is not the Saviour, but God has determined that the means to salvation will be established and promulgated via the written word. There are many mediums to transmit the Word, but the Word is exegeted and defined, solely from the inspired writers.

DNB · May 4, 2020

mjrhealth said:
law came before the bible did.

For the sake of this argument, no, it didn't. They are one and the same.

Where in the bible does it say I need to use it

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