VictoryinJesus
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Okay. He was beyond redemption at this point. Were his brothers also? Who were his brothers?
The rich man and the beggar at his gate?
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Okay. He was beyond redemption at this point. Were his brothers also? Who were his brothers?
This is not a parable it's prophetic, it's why Jesus gives a specific name, then when Jesus calls Lazarus forward many of His brethren believe.now I'm going to make a connection to Job which I see you are very interested in. listen, Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."
Job 1:2 "And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters."
Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east."
now look up the word men there and see what it means?......
and then a keyword, "hier".
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Well, try to quote “Jesus, going to hell” And we could see I guess? As to your verses there, I’m not seeing the connection with all respect
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BINGO, "SON", NOW THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF SONS. one according to the flesh, and another according to the Spirit.
the son in hell was an heir of Abraham according to the flesh. now listen, and understand 1 Corinthians 5:1 "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife."
1 Corinthians 5:2 "And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you."
1 Corinthians 5:3 "For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,"
1 Corinthians 5:4 "In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,"
1 Corinthians 5:5 "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
1 Corinthians 5:6 "Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?"
1 Corinthians 5:7 "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:"
1 Corinthians 5:8 "Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth." BINGO.
1 Corinthians 5:9 "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:"
now the son of Abraham was according to the flesh. now notice verse 5 above..... got it, now this,
now the Job connection, read verses 7 & 8 above, was not Job and his family keeping the "FEAST" days....... right there in the very first verses Job 1:1-5.
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IMO he did. I know there's only scant scripture affirming this. It's not something I'd be dogmatic about.
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Luke 23:11 And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.
Base.
Not disagreeing with you only trying to understand what you see there. Cant find the verse right now but no one ascends except he who descends (comes down) from above. John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
101G
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Yes, it's prophetic, I believe I said that in post #100. the event is about redemption from corruptible things of this world.
I also gave this in the parable or the clear example in Matthew 21:28 "But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard."
Matthew 21:29 "He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went."
Matthew 21:30 "And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not."
Matthew 21:31 "Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you."
Matthew 21:32 "For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him."
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Father Abraham said to the rich man in torment ( Son ) even if I sent back Lazarus from the dead your Brothers will not believe, but in scripture it plainly states that when Lazarus came forward many believed on Him.
Even if someone wants to claim Jesus didn't really get all the way into Hell, you still have to deal with the fact that He led a bunch of people out of there. Where did those dead people go?
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Isaiah 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
I don't want too be viewed as a finger putter forther .
why is he supposed to. because some other rich guys life toke a turn for the worst?
what do you mean "evil from God"?
men judge by possessions as you are doing, God doesn't. This life in the flesh is mankind's #1 priority, and the Lord God's #1 priority when it comes to man, is His Life given in Jesus Christ. which is not of the flesh.
hence objects not from Heaven aren't an issue in Heaven, the Life of Christ which is from Heaven is.
"for I have five brothers."
His brothers were his brothers. Seems pretty obvious.
Unless they are Jesus, or Jesus makes an exception, like preaching to the old testament people in Hades. But it says there's a gulf that can normally not be crossed.
101G
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From post #189 above, Matthew 21:32 "For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him."
what was the very first words out of John the Baptist mouth? "REPENT".
as for cap "S" in Luke 16:25 don't hold me to this but in may cases where "s" is lower case in reference to the "Spirit" which is capitalized, is in reference to the Spirit diversified in FLESH as "spirit", lower case. but a cap "S" in Son here is interesting. I have some beliefs as to why it was but I'll hold my mouth. if you have have the knowledge of this please post it.
Thanks in advance.
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