The Destruction of the USA

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Part OneMonday, March 16, 2009The Destruction of the USA My name is Clifford Hilbert and God appointed me a watchman. He even chose my name for me before I was born. I am a watchman who stands on the edge of the cliff watching the fording place in the river, so that when I see the enemy coming I can warn the people. Standing there watching requires long periods of forced isolation, idleness, unbelievable boredom and great patience - the exact opposite of who and what I am. But that is what God chose for me and all I can do is obey. I have been watching for many years and now see the enemy coming. It is time to blow the trumpet in Zion and sound the alarm.For years biblical scholars have been trying to figure out where the USA, the most powerful nation that has ever existed, fits into the endtime scenarios. No one has yet come up with the correct answer. Why? Because the USA will not be a factor in the last days. It will not exist in the form it does today. God is on the verge of destroying this nation.Why? Because we have been filled with pride thinking that we created this great nation and that we are the ones responsible for the great abundance we have here. We, as a nation, have failed to realize that it is God who created this nation and God who has blessed us with such abundance, that it is He who has prospered us.We, as a nation, have turned completely away from the Lord and gone our own prideful, arrogant, sinful and decadent ways. Materialism has become our god. Money has become our god. Our own fleshly desires have become our god. Our powerful weapons have become our source of faith, instead of God. “In God we trust”, the symbol which is on own currency, is a lie.For Christians, their big new church buildings have become their gods. Their “rights in Jesus” have become their gods. Their “faith” has become their god. The Pentecostals and charasmatics are proud of what they think are their spiritual gifts, and they use these gifts with pride and arrogance against their other brothers and sisters in Christ. They fall for every wind and wave of doctrine that comes along, and have no firm foundation to stand on. They believe that they are the ones who cause prosperity and health by their words. They have taken God out of the equation and consider themselves as gods who make everything happen by themselves. They have forgotten that the greatest gift of all is love, something they have very, very little of.The Baptists are proud that they are “once saved, always saved” — even though Paul “worked out his salvation with fear and trembling”, and the Lord told the church at Laodecia (a church, people who thought that they were all saved) “I wish that you were hot or cold. But because you are neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth!”The Bible churches are proud that they alone know the real truth. Their pastors are all cemetery-trained and they know the Bible inside and out. They have dissected all the words and passages and can tell you the Greek and Hebrew meanings of everything in the Bible. They have discussed ten million times whether Jesus was fully human and/or fully divine. They know all the stories in the Bible, but they know nothing of the Living Word of God. There is no anointing in their sermons and the Word they teach is not “active and alive, and sharper than any two-edged sword” - it is dead , as are their hearts.The Catholics are proud that their religion is the “only true religion”. They worship more false gods than the Greeks did — Mary and all the other dead people, the “saints”. They have made Mary part of the Godhead believing they need her to intercede for us with Jesus. The Trinity is now Father, Son and Blessed Mother. They believe that Mary has appeared all over the world and they worship the spots where there has been an apparition, even images on pieces of toast. I believe that there have been appearances at those spots - but no one has ever explained to them that Satan comes as an angel of light (a beautiful woman masquerading as the “Mother of God”) who performs great and mighty miracles that would deceive even the very elect, if that were possible. Satan has gotten what he wanted, the Catholics worship him instead of Jesus. His servants also come as angels of light, and masquerade as servants of righteousness. The priests are blind and consider themselves as little gods – unfortunately, too many of these “little gods” are child molesters. The Catholic Church conveniently shoves aside the Biblical requirement that priests must be from the tribe of Levi.Methodists and Episcopalians are ordaining homosexual and lesbian ministers and priests. They are teaching that these abominable lifestyles are acceptable.The churches worship their pastors as if they were gods and kings, and the pastors are filled with arrogance and pride. They want to build bigger churches so that they can have larger congregations that will inflate their egos even more. The shepherds have no idea what the word “shepherd” really means. They lift themselves up as great authorities, yet they have never learned that they are servants of the people. I have not yet met a pastor of any denomination who went out and sought a sheep that left his flock.The pastors teach their flocks that “God is a good God, He doesn’t want you to suffer”, in direct contradiction to what the Bible says. The New Testament talks about suffering a lot more than it mentions blessings and prosperity. But that’s not “positive confession”, so they throw that aside. They teach them that “God’s promises are all for you. He wants to give you the desires of your heart. He wants you to prosper and be in good health. If you just have enough faith, you can claim your rights in Jesus and have everything you have ever desired.” No one teaches that Paul’s testimony was that he was hungry, thirsty, homeless, in rags, poorly treated, beaten and in chains. No one teaches what Jesus instructed them to do “Sell what you have, give to the poor and come, follow Me.” “He that does not give up everything he has, cannot be my disciple.” “Share in the fellowship of His sufferings” Claim those as your “rights in Jesus”!!!No one teaches about the Beatitudes that Jesus spoke of in the sermon on the mount — “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”No one teaches the whole truth, just the parts of it that “tickle men’s ears”, just the “feel good” gospel of the carnal.The religious TV networks (I refuse to call them “Christian”) are filled with thieves, liars, charlatans and false prophets who are out to build great masses of worshippers for themselves. They steal from the widows, the poor, the hurting, the wounded, the hopeless and the desperate. They are nothing but a bunch of antichrists. And people look to them as gods who can do no wrong. There is no discernment in the Body of Christ today! The so-called “Body of Christ” in this country is corrupt beyond measure.These are only a few of the many reasons that God is coming to destroy this nation and severely test the faith of most. Most “Christians” will fail the test and their names will not be written in the Book of Life. A great apostasy of the faith is about to happen in this country. Many will be imprisoned, tortured, sawn in two and put to death because of their faith — only he that endures to the end will be saved. Most who read this will not be saved.The USA itself is worse than Sodom and Gomorrah, in every way. Not only do we kill millions of innocent, unborn children in this country every year, but now that Obama is President, we will be paying for the murders of millions of unborn babies in other countries. Obama wants to pass legislation that will force all hospitals, including Catholic hospitals, to perform abortions on demand, regardless of the term of pregnancy or the age of the female. Homosexual marriage is something that the Obama administration wants legalized. The abortionists and the homosexuals “parade their sins in the streets”, and people are there to cheer them on, the nations leaders being among them.Greed is rampant in all parts of society and in every organization in this nation, especially the churches. Our nation’s capitol, Washington, D.C. is the most corrupt city in America, and our politicians are wicked beyond measure. Arrogance, pride, contempt, crime and greed are hallmarks of our nation’s capitol. We are proud of all the great buildings that form our cities, all the money that is made in them, and all the materialism that exists in them. Drugs have invaded every part of our society. Morals no longer exist in the USA. Good is now called evil, and evil is now called good.When this country elected Barak Hussein Obama as President, God said “ENOUGH!!”
 

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Part Two“You wanted leaders after your own hearts, so I’ve given them to you. I’ve given you the most corrupt, arrogant and deceitful President and administration in the history of your country. They will lead your country into the worst decadence and depravity it has ever known.“My people have been waiting for signs and wonders for years and years, waiting for me to do great and mighty things. I already have, but no one was paying any attention. My ways are not your ways and My thoughts are not your thoughts. As far as the sun is from the moon are My thoughts higher than your thoughts and My ways higher than your ways. I sent the Great Depression to warn you that you were becoming too focused on wealth and greed. Few listened. I sent the planes into the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001 to warn you that your pride, arrogance and lust for power and money had gone too far. Few listened. I sent Hurricane Katrina in 2005 to warn you about your sexual and spiritual decadence and depravity that has become an abomination reaching to the heavens. Few listened.So now I will destroy your proud, arrogant, greedy, depraved and decadent nation and churches. You would not humble yourselves before me and turn from your wicked and evil ways. So now, I the Lord your God will force you to your knees, literally. My judgment upon you is coming much quicker than any ever expected. It will be total and complete. Never again will you stand proud and tall as a nation. Never again will you exalt yourselves above Me”.First will come the economic collapse of this nation, because money has become what you worship, not the Lord. Another watchman, John Johnston (http://www.unitedstatesprophecy.com/) saw that when Fidel Castro dies, then will come the complete and total collapse of our economy. Why God set it up that way, I have no idea. I just know that He did and that John is correct. You are seeing just the beginning of that in the last few months of 2008 and the first few months of 2009. That is just the very beginning. It will get much, much worse — the complete and total economic collapse of this nation. The worst is yet to come.Back in 1986 I was driving through the Dakotas and pulled up to see Mt. Rushmore. As I pulled the car into the parking lot I suddenly saw Mt. Rushmore come tumbling down. Until March 3, 2009, I didn’t know what this meant. Now I do. Spiritually, this means that God will not let those men who built this country upon Godly morals and principles see His destruction of the nation they so dearly loved. Physically, it is His warning to flee the cities and not look back. Pray that you are not with child then, because the worst is still to come.Immediately following the fall of Mt. Rushmore there will be major solar storms (expected by astronomers in 2011-2012) that will cause catastrophic electrical, electronic and communication failures in many areas of the USA and the world. This happened in Quebec some years ago and all power was lost for days, even weeks. All power will be lost in many major cities, including New York City. Complete power grids will shut down, affecting large areas of the country. When this happens gangs will run rampant all over the cities that are affected. They will loot, rape, rob, steal and kill like never before. There will be fires all over which will not be possible to put out because there will be no power to run the water pumping stations, and the looters will shoot the fireman who try to put the fires out. The crime wave in New Orleans after Katrina was nothing compared to what is about to happen. It will be complete civil chaos that the police and National Guard will not be able to stop. People will be leaving these cities by the hundreds of thousands to escape the violence. The USA will be paralyzed. The worst is still to come.On that same trip in 1986 I was driving through Granite Falls, MN and stopped to eat dinner and spend the night at the home of some friends’ parents. After dinner I was talking a walk in the neighborhood (which was out in the country) and glanced upon some huge grain silos. All of a sudden I saw these silos explode! I knew that the Lord was telling me that our vast supply of food in this country would suddenly disappear. Since then I have learned that the temperatures in these silos are closely monitored to prevent static electrical buildup, among other things. With no electricity, these silos will explode. With no electricity, our refrigerated foods will go bad. With no electricity, our food processing plants will not function. Will no electricity, our processed seafood and meats will quickly spoil. With no electricity, our water purification plants will not be able to operate. Without electricity, most people will not be able to cook. The solar storms will cause the electricity in many areas of our country to be off for weeks and even months. Our food supply will suddenly be gone. There will be great famine all over the country.http://www.timothybirdnow.com/?p=1596 . The worst is yet to come.Back in 1984 I was listening to a Christian radio station when a guy began to prophecy. I remember him saying “.. and though the President seems to be a good man, he will bow his knees in surrender to the Russians”.While the country is in complete and utter chaos like we’ve never known before, the Russians will then unleash a nuclear attack upon us from submarines off our coasts. Impact will come only seven minutes from launch. This will destroy a number of major cities. See John Johnston’s: “www.unitedstatesprophecy.com/russia_invades_america.html” for more specifics. God will judge us for the pride we take in these great monuments (i.e. skyscrapers) that our hands have built, and the materialism we worship. President Obama will not retaliate, but will bow his knees in surrender to the Russians. They will come and enslave our people and rape the resources and the women of this country. This is how quickly this will be upon us. The worst is yet to come.Back in 1993 there was a prophet in Dallas who had a vision of all three seaboards of this country being hit by tidal waves of 200-300'. In 1994 I was visiting a friend who lived on a small river near Baton Rouge, La. We were outside sitting on chairs on the lawn when suddenly I saw this huge 30-60' wall of dirty water come rushing over the property. This was over 100 miles north of the Gulf of Mexico!John Johnston has also seen a huge tidal wave hitting the East Coast and knocking down the tall buildings like dominos. “I went into a deep sleep and had a dream I was on the boardwalk in Virginia Beach. It was night time and I think it was about 2:00 am. I put my foot up on the railing and was looking out over the ocean. There was what looked like a full moon on the horizon. I noticed just underneath the moon was a giant black wall on the horizon. The moon was reflecting white caps off the wall. As I stood there looking out into the Atlantic Ocean I realized that the white caps are from a massive tidal wave heading to shore. It was about 300 feet high. I felt the realization that it was too late to warn the people and the dream ended.“In the fall of the following year, 2006 I had the same dream again.“In January 2008, I had the same dream except this time I started running to people’s houses to wake them up and warn them, but it was too late.”Revelation 18: 21 “Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.”On March 2, 2009 an asteroid passed within 40,000 miles of Earth. That may seem like a lot, but it is within the moon’s orbit of earth and just twice the distance from Earth as some of our communications satellites. What will happen when an asteroid hits our planet? Remember the Star called Wormwood which the angel threw into the sea? That could cause tidal waves like the ones which will hit our coastlines. It would also be hot enough to make the seas turn red like blood.The destruction from these tidal waves will be beyond human description. The death toll will be in the tens of millions. Why? To destroy the vile, abominable and detestable sexual and spiritual practices which flood this country. Several months after Katrina there was a Decadence Day parade held in New Orleans, an annual event. Mardi Gras, which is approved of by the Catholic Church, is nothing but a huge pagan festival. All the different parades are named after different Greek gods and goddesses — Bacchus, Endymion, Venus, Proteus, etc. The floats move down the streets and the people are all raising their hands, waving them, shouting “Throw me something mister!”, to the maskers on the floats. Spiritually they are worshipping the gods of the floats. The next day they go to mass and get the ashes on their heads to start the beginning of Lent. They party like the heathens they are, then go for “absolution and forgiveness” the next day. I am a former Catholic, originally from New Orleans, so I speak from personal, first-hand experience.God has had enough!!
 

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Part ThreeIn 1995 while on my way to Phoenix, I spent the night with an older couple in Benson, AZ. I remember Enoch telling me that the Lord had told his church in Benson that there were members of that church then, in 1995, who would be martyred in front of the church for their faith. The Sunday after 9/11/2001 I went to a little church in Lindale, TX for the first time. Before the service, I remember seeing some little children playing in the aisles, just running around having a good time. The Lord told me that these very children would be running for their lives because of their faith, in this country. John Johnston (www.unitedstatesprophecy.com) has seen visions of foreign soldiers destroying churches in this country and executing the congregations in front of those churches.That is when many will fall away from the Lord, part of the great apostasy of the faith. Many who have been deceived and brainwashed into believing the “faith” foolishness that is being taught by people like Kenneth Copeland, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton, Rod Parsley, Mike Murdock, John Hagee, Joyce Meyer, Marilyn Hickey, Creflo Dollar, T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen, James Robinson, Jimmy Swaggart and the like, will be “confessing the Word”, “claiming their rights in Jesus”, demanding that God honor His Word, but will find out that it doesn’t work like they’ve been taught it should. They will not have wealth, they will not have jobs, they will not have homes, they will not have their health and they will not have much to eat. They will be hungry, thirsty, homeless, in rags, poorly treated, in chains and they will fall away from the faith because they will say “God doesn’t honor His word, therefore He is a liar and I want nothing to with Him”. These sheep have believed the lies that their shepherds taught them. Their blood will be upon the hands of their shepherds. They listened to teachers who “tickled their ears”, because that is what they wanted to hear and believe.The Bible is God’s word which He uses to accomplish that which He pleases and purposes — not what we please and purpose.During the coming disasters that God will send upon this country, He will also give some of us hope and peace. He has been setting up places of refuge across this country where Christians will find safe harbor from the catastrophes unleashed upon America. In 1996 I lived in Phoenix for several months and traveled around Arizona some. I was visiting someone in Oracle, AZ and the Lord impressed upon me that this would be a city of refuge in the future. He also showed me that the mountains of Prescott, AZ would be another place of refuge - there are several large Christian camps up there. Lindale, TX (just north of Tyler) will be another city of refuge. I’m certain that there will be other cities of refuge that the Lord has set up.In these places Christians will live together and provide for one another. We will grow our own food, raise our own livestock. We will not be dependent upon the government for anything, because the government will be trying to find us and kill us, just as John Johnston saw in his vision:“During the same time as the vision about the state of Florida in July of 1995, God gave me a vision of a massive army coming down on America. He said, “John, I am going to allow the enemies of the United States to judge America. When America’s enemies come they will have no mercy on the men, women and children. I saw troop movement and they appeared to be Communist Chinese and Russian troops coming into the United States. As they came in, America was no match. I saw churches and synagogues were being leveled by heavy artillery. As the churches were being blown up I saw Jews and Christians being herded up and shot like cattle in front of their churches and homes. I saw the troops killing children and infants with their bayonets. I saw the American people tormented beyond imagination. The troops were void of emotions. Their objective is to take the nation and take it hands down. All able bodied working people will be forced into slave labor. Some will be taken to other countries and some left here. The soldier’s main objective was to kill all Jews and Christians. As I am seeing all this horror I asked, “Lord, what is happening?” He said, “Because of the wickedness of the United States of America I am allowing her enemies to invade her lands.” God ended the vision."The enemies of America are supernaturally being drawn together. When they come, they are going to catch the nation completely by surprise. Great is going to be her destruction and torment. This judgment is coming soon! The American people, Christians and non-Christians do not believe that God has fiery indignation that will be poured out. The great day of darkness is quickly coming upon the whole world, the day of God’s wrath and judgment.”These places of refuge will not be fancy, they will not be very comfortable for many. They will not have all the luxuries and conveniences that we are used to. We will not have as much to eat as we are used to. Some places might not have running water and electricity. We will have to learn to do with much less than we are used to. They will not have much in the way of medical facilities. But God will provide the basic necessities of life for us.Years ago there was a TV miniseries entitled “Amerika”, about a Russian takeover of this country. In there was a scene I remember very, very distinctly. A man was helping another man escape the Russians, and they were going through an underground passageway, when suddenly they came upon this large underground room. In the room were a number of Christians singing and praising the Lord. The escapee asked his friend “How can they be happy when there is so much trouble?” His friend replied “Because we know the Lord is doing this and why, and He is in control.” That peace and joy is what will sustain us during those times which are almost upon us.A couple of miscellaneous things. The “great mountain thrown into the sea” mentioned in Revelation is Mount Fuji in Japan. It will erupt with such force that much of it will bethrown into the sea. Can you imagine the destruction this will cause? Could the starcalled Wormwood hit the seas with such an impact that it would cause Mt. Fuji to erupt?I don’t know, but it is something to think about.In 1990 God was showing me something about Mikhail Gorbachev being Russia’s “messiah or savior”. In 2007 Gorbachev founded the “Union of Social Democrats”, and is their leader. The party has its roots in the former Social Democratic Party of Russia. His newly formed party skipped the 2007 general election in order to concentrate on its ultimate goal which is to become a mass political party by 2011. He will run against Putin in 2012 and he will win. The people will look to him as their messiah, especially when he unleashes a nuclear attack upon our nation and Barak Hussein Obama surrenders the USA to him.How should you prepare for the coming catastrophes which are almost upon us? Pray, pray and pray. Ask the Lord to show you how each one of you individually should begin to prepare. Don’t listen to the fools on the religious channels, because they will have no idea what to do, even though they will claim to. The best thing you can do, next to praying, is to turn off your televisions, turn off all the CDs and tapes you have that were written about the Bible, quit going to all those conferences about the Bible, quit reading all those books about the Bible, take your Bible and begin at Genesis and start reading. Read it during every spare minute you have — if you’ll turn off your televisions you’ll be surprised at all the extra time you have to read the Bible. Read the Bible from beginning to end, over and over and over. Don’t go looking for things in it to confirm what you think you know, just read it. Yes, it will be hard and it will be very boring. But that is the only way to learn what God wants you, specifically, to learn. Turn off the radios in your vehicles and put on CDs of someone reading the Bible. That’s all, just reading it — quit listening to someone teaching you what man wants you to learn, but just listen to the reading of the Word itself and let the Spirit teach you. “For you no longer have need of a teacher, for the Holy Spirit is your teacher.” Quit trying to find someone to feed you the Word, feed yourselves. Babies need to be fed, adults feed themselves. It’s time for you to grow up.One final warning — all the prayers in the world will not cause God to turn aside from, or delay, what is coming upon this country. Don’t waste your time praying for that. Pray for God to show you what He wants you to do in the next few years in order to last through the trying times ahead. Pray for strength. You will be “tested and tried in the fires of affliction.” Many of you will be martyred during the coming years. Most of you will turn away from the faith and your names will not be found in the Book of Life. “The way to destruction is broad and most enter through it. The gate to eternal life is narrow and few enter it.”One last thought. What will happen to Israel when it does not have the USA to defend it anymore? We are truly that close to the last days.
 

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Part FourMost who read this will reject it and laugh at it. Most will reject me, scorn me, ridicule me and persecute me. I expect that. But the Lord told me many years ago that 95% of what I teach is for 5% of the people. If 5% listen to this message, then I will have done what the Lord sent me to do. My e-mail and post office box addresses are below. If you want to contact me, feel free to do so. However, if you want to criticize this message or tell me that I am not hearing from the Lord, then don’t waste your time because I will simply delete or tear up your correspondence, and you will most certainly not get a response from me. I don’t waste my time on fools. This message is not something that I will defend, argue about or even try to convince you that it is of the Lord. That is not my job. My job is to be the messenger. The message is God’s, not mine. Argue with Him aboutit.http://www.watchman2009.blogspot.com
 

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Cliff I have seen someone talking about your post on another forum. You need some serious help, and pay attention to what spirit you listen to.Nothing you said is coming to pass, and once you see that I suggest you get some help.God is not going to Favor Russia over the Nation that sends the Gospel all over the Word. I've got lots of other scriptures but you so called prophecy is not bearing witness with the Holy ghost inside me. Attempting to cause fear is of the devil.Jesus Is Lord.
 

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CliffIf I see Mount Rushmore tumble from an earthquake or something I will sure pay attention to the rest of your predictions. When the Creator assigns a prophet , he will provide several accurate, short term items to prove the validity of the prophet's accuracy.Your opinion and observation of a lot of the American Church has some accuracy. I am ashamed that some of those groups function under our banner. But all is not lost.The core and character of the Christian American gives me a lot of hope. There are lots of them. Often silent and un-noticed. Start a new list of all the good things you can find about the USA and you will find it will be a long list. You just have to turn off the junk and look in the right places.I am going to agree with some of your assesment regarding America not being mentioned in prophecy. Many years ago it was expected that the USA would have to fade and decline as a world power. I think that is happening today. I think it has to happen in order for the end time events to play out in Europe and Israel.But I also consider that if the doctrine of the pre-tribualtion rapture turns out to be true , that would mean 40-70 % of the American population would be removed in the blink of an eye. That would certainly not leave much of a country on the world stage. Something to think about anyway. We have to consider all the possibilities and prepare for everything.Many other things I would like to discuss with you in the future Cliff , you do make many good points. But for now I would like to whiplash your thinking for a minute about your great country.Here is an old Canadian video clip that everyone should watch. It will change your focus. The whole world should watch it again.The Americans: A Canadian's Opinion By Gordon Sinclairhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_okAgAUGEBest wishes to your great country and all the christians contained therein.Martin W.
 

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Good post brother Martin. We have to look at this for what it is though.
That is when many will fall away from the Lord, part of the great apostasy of the faith. Many who have been deceived and brainwashed into believing the “faith” foolishness that is being taught by people like Kenneth Copeland, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton, Rod Parsley, Mike Murdock, John Hagee, Joyce Meyer, Marilyn Hickey, Creflo Dollar, T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen, James Robinson, Jimmy Swaggart and the like, will be “confessing the Word”,
This person calls out names of individuals and judges them, and those that listen to them. Lets see, judge not and what? judge not another mans servant for his Lord is able to make him stand? There are more....... Then confessing the Word seems to be wrong, though as a example Jesus did say we would have what we say (Mark 11:23) and Jesus found great faith in the Centurion that said "Speak the Word only and my servant will be healed." He also called faith foolish when without it, we can't even please God. (Heb 11:6) This is just a small passage of his writing.I am not judging him. I feel really sorry for him. When all this stuff does not happen, then someone is going to have to console him. It's easy to look at America and our President and start judging away. Look how messed up it is and it's not looking better. We don't walk by sight however. If God said first of all pray for those in authority that we may lead quite and peaceful lives, then I believe that. I don't have to see that.Jesus Is Lord.
 

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I am new but yet not; have been here in the past. We have to be so careful, because we truly can be overtaken by a sure sense that God has given us a message for today, and only God can deliver us when we are so sure but not right. Been there. There is a problem in naming all these names behind the TV ministries. No doubt there are many tares and is much apostacy; it is evident to many, but as always, the tares are among the wheat and even with the TV Ministries..."All" cannot be judged as All tares or All wheat. A man's soul is hard for us to always judge, and we dare not midjudge and "lay anything to God's elect." There is plenty of Christ, his Word, and his Spirit even among what TV ministry we may recognize as apostacy. All these people behind the TV Ministries cannot be All lumped together as apostates...there is no doubt that God has greatly used TV Ministry...not just satan. "There is safety among the many Councelors" Even though we suffer denial and ridicule from man when we stand for God,We do not stand alone with no councelors at all... One other confirming Prophet is not sure proof...if his message is the same...True, it's a very vital day and trecherous...deception mounting so great that Even the Elect?
 

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Cliff HilbertFor years biblical scholars have been trying to figure out where the USA, the most powerful nation that has ever existed, fits into the endtime scenarios. No one has yet come up with the correct answer. Why? Because the USA will not be a factor in the last days. It will not exist in the form it does today. God is on the verge of destroying this nation.
The Book of Malachi gives you the Prophecy for America
 

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I read the first several posts by Cliff and all I will say, gently but sincerely, is that you need to speak with someone. A minister in your church, a lay person, a doctor, it matters not. I found several things to take issue with but this one caught my eye: "In 1990 God was showing me something about Mikhail Gorbachev being Russia’s “messiah or savior”. In 2007 Gorbachev founded the “Union of Social Democrats”, and is their leader. The party has its roots in the former Social Democratic Party of Russia. His newly formed party skipped the 2007 general election in order to concentrate on its ultimate goal which is to become a mass political party by 2011. He will run against Putin in 2012 and he will win. The people will look to him as their messiah, especially when he unleashes a nuclear attack upon our nation and Barak Hussein Obama surrenders the USA to him." -- First off, Putin isn't the Russian President and an election in 2012 (I am not even sure that is the Russian election cycle) between Putin and Gorby would mean that the current President, Medvedev, either died, left office early, or chose not to run. What you are saying is that in less than three years we will see a full-fledged election process going on between two men, neither who is currently the Russian president, and the winner will be the man who would be 81 years old when he takes office and has stated publically on several occasions that he has no plans to run for public office. Soooooooo.... At what point will you realize you are wrong?If Gorby does not run for Russian president (or even runs but fails) that means you are wrong. If you are wrong on this point in which you spoke so boldly and confidently, will see then that perhaps you are wrong in other areas, as well? If Gorby doesn't run, are you going to still be sitting there confidently on election night, expecting that tens of millions of Russians are going to elect him via a write-in ballot? Just remember, if this prediction you spoke of does not come to pass, then it did not come from God. Period. And for the love of Pete, don't come back with, "God changed His mind because (insert reason here) and what is really going to happen is (insert revised prophecy here). I wish you the best. "But I also consider that if the doctrine of the pre-tribualtion rapture turns out to be true , that would mean 40-70 % of the American population would be removed in the blink of an eye. That would certainly not leave much of a country on the world stage. Something to think about anyway. We have to consider all the possibilities and prepare for everything." -- Martin W. -- I would be cautious mentioning the pre-tribulation Rapture on this BB. It makes some people here very angry. When asked to show why it is without a doubt wrong, they will say "It has already been shown on this board several times." And if you provide scripture that indicates support of it, you will get answers such as (my personal favorite) "But if you look at it in the ancient Greek you will see that isn't what is being said at all," etc. I have had conversations with scores of people as to why the U.S. is not mentioned or referred to(even by a great stretch of the imagination) in the prophecies and specifically in Revelation. The first thought is that with a great number of Americans Raptured.....you fill in the rest. The other, and this assumes those who say the Rapture will not happen are correct, is that America's influence simply will continue to wane. The dollar is no longer the currency of standard around the world, other countries hold almost a TRILLION dollars of U.S. debt, our standard of living is decreasing, an all out assault on Christianity is ramping up and with that will come a lessoning of God's influence on this nation, and with that, a lessoning of our position as a power to the world. Nukes do not make America powerful. India, Pakistan, England and France all have nukes, but none of them are in the forefront of international policy making. In the end Americas involvement with anything will be as part of a coalition and not as a stand-alone influence.
 

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That was some awesome well thought stuff.Sadly Cliff has already said that He is not willing to change, and does not really expect anyone to listen to him. He has already signed off to the funny farm, and I don't think we will see until everything he made up does not happen. He is a very judgmental person, and knows almost nothing about what the Word does say, so I would not waste to much time with him. I am amazed that he takes himself serious.One thing I have learned, If I have one or two people that are full of God's Word tell me that I am misunderstanding something, it is time to look into it more and not discredit the revelation God has given to my other brothers and sisters in Christ. Jesus Is Lord.
 

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God loves america and i assure you gods not going to favor a nation that has an atheist government. Im sorry but all i saw in your posts were empty judgments. Theres nothing wrong with the baptists, methodists or catholic people for that matter. I was raised baptist and for the majority part there good wholesome people. None the less though this goes through one ear and out the other with me because im not wasting my time listening. The bible clearly tells us to not listen to mans deception. Colossians 2:8, Matthew 16:6-12. I hope you seek sone sort of help very soon.
 

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Cliff Hilbert;71108]Part FourMost who read this will reject it and laugh at it. Most will reject me said:
Hi Cliff,I consider myself to be a "Watchman", too. There's a great difference between Sodom and Gomorrah and the United States of America. The word "America" which means, "God's Kingdom".For one, Lot was the only righteous man left there, where in America, there are still plenty of righteous men left. We just don't often know who they are.God did tell Abraham that he would not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah if there were 10 righteous men left, did he not?America is God's Kingdom. We are the "Stone Kingdom". The problem is, "an enemy has planted tares among the wheat". Yes, the "enemy" is here!Your post contradicts what Jesus said in Matthew, Chapter 13, about the Tares being gathered first and bundled and destroyed.You see, America isn't going anywhere, however, the WICKED ARE!God's people have been gathered here. And here they will stay "where they will be moved no more."We don't have anywhere else to go. This is IT!We await the Return of the King to establish HIS ORDER on earth.So, NO, the destruction of America isn't coming. However, that doesn't mean God's people aren't suffering in the mean time. "He that endureth til the end shall be saved."I look forward to the day, "When he shall send forth his angels to gather out the wicked and destroy them".I would urge you to read Matthew Chapter 13 again. Kim
 

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Hello Mickinengland, You stated: What for mate? We already know the End is coming, so what more do we need to know? My response: God has provided Mount Zion in Jerusalem as a place-of-safety for a group of Christian survivors. Joel 2: 32 And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls. In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
 

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guysmith;71266 said:
...God has provided Mount Zion in Jerusalem as a place-of-safety for a group of Christian survivors (Joel 2:32)..
Are we not already safe in Christ no matter where we are?
 

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Hello MickinEngland, You are correct, spiritually you are safe in Christ no matter where you are. However, Christ instructed us to: Luke 21: 36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. .....which are instructions concerning being alive at His advent. Our conversation is changing the direction of this thread. If you wish to continue, we should change to a different or new thread. In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
 

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Guysmith quote- Mount Zion in Jerusalem as a place-of-safety for a group of Christian survivors.---------------------------------------------------- I don't take that literally, I regard it as a metaphor for the Kingdom of God within us, so I'm afraid I won't be hopping on a plane to Jerusalem to join you..;)
 

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Another thing, if Mt Zion is safe, why does God promise to shorten the endtime tribulation for the sake of his elect?I mean, if Zion was safe why would he still have to shorten the suffering? (Matt 24:22)