The Destruction of the USA

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Cliff Hilbert

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"However, if you want to criticize this message or tell me that I am not hearing from the Lord, then don’t waste your time because I will simply delete or tear up your correspondence, and you will most certainly not get a response from me. I don’t waste my time on fools. This message is not something that I will defend, argue about or even try to convince you that it is of the Lord. That is not my job. My job is to be the messenger. The message is God’s, not mine. Argue with Him about"Those who receive this message and begin to prepare themselves and their families for the horrors that God is about to unleash upon this country will not be terrified by what is about to happen. Those who reject it, the blood of those you love will be upon your hands. Kim, if you are Kim Clements the false prophet, you wouldn't know the voice of God if He yelled in your ear with a megaphone. I have seen the spirit of the people on this website and I won't waste my time here anymore.
 

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"I have seen the spirit of the people on this website and I won't waste my time here anymore." -- So God has called you to go only to friendly, receptive audiences? Interesting.
 

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Cliff Hilbert;71360 said:
..I have seen the spirit of the people on this website and I won't waste my time here anymore...
Don't go mate or you'll miss seeing me slap them around..;)Also it's fun watching you make them squawk in fear..:)
 

Brother Mike

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I can take it that Cliff did not get that help I suggested. A real case there.Oh, well. Like I said, when it all does not come to pass, then he can go get some help then.Cliff, instead of calling everyone fools, your prophecy has a right to be judged. No need to get offended. To think you know more than everyone else here that also can hear God is just crazy thinking. As if your the only one God speaks to.I think you get upset because you can't defend yourself scripture wise. You seem very new as a Christian, or someone that has not really studied much. Now don't go away, I find you very interesting.Jesus Is Lord.
 

Christian Commando

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Actually your wrong. God teaches us to go as lambs out amongst the wolves. But to be as sly as foxes. Secondly- Jesus teaches us in the 4 Gospels not to call anyone else a fool, because it brings greater judgement upon those who do this. third- Supposed "Prophecies" from God, will always coincide with his Word. If do not, they are clearly of Satan. And I haven't found any Biblical foundation for the "so called" prophecies" shared here . Fourth- God also would never inspire any of His children to speak down as much as was done in the first post against all those religions, churches, Ministries and more. God teaches us, all are equally born in sin. Thus, every Church, every Religion, Every Ministry, etc will have thier faults, being run by falable humans. That includes Cliff in his self proclaimed "watchman" position. But, if we are truely guided by God, there will be no discrepancies, than a man decieved by Satan, or following his own lame beliefs. Cliff only needs to be trained correctly for God, thru people such as Kim Clements and others. But, they have to be open to God's Truth. Anyone demonstrating a negative attitude with retorical responces, is clearly not lead by God. If anyone disputes this, just read Gala. 5, for the fruit seen of the "lust of the flesh", to the "Fruit of the Spirit." And Jesus declared, we can tell the "root" of a tree, by the "fruit" it bears. Let it be known as well, the "Spirit of God" can be witnessed, when the message is inline with god, for the Holy Spirit in a person or group of people will be opened an understanding of the message. If not of God, the person or group will clearly see its a deception by the holy Spirit. I expected the realization of that would've been evident to Cliff and Polar, for the size group who recognized the deceptions and voiced it clearly. But, no one can change how they want to believe. God's Children are to love correction from God. But if they respond as if personally attacked, then its not the Spirit of God in them, but Satan's influence over them instead. God Bless!!
 

Larry Michael

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My first post to this forum...actually second day of using any type of forum. Just trying a new venue to see if more Christians are going to rise up to the challenges we face today in America. Our culture has long been under attack, but soon it will be our churches and other Christian institutions as we move into a whole new age of persecution for our faith. If it will it be short-lived or long lasting is determined by OUR prayers, our repentance and our actions in the coming months. There is a plan. Please see www.TeaPartyNextStep.com and decide if "loving and serving your neighbor" through the political process is your new calling.
 

lizz7711

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Testing...I just wrote a long response, and when I submitted it, it was lost. grrrr...
Cliff Hilbert;71108]Part Four Most who read this will reject it and laugh at it. Most will reject me said:
 

lizz7711

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Well, as I said, I lost my first response, and don't have time to re-write it all now. Basically though, these are my thoughts: While Cliff could have been more humble in his approach, I don't think it's wise to just outright discount what he says until we know he is not a prophet. Problem is that there is no real way to know this since we don't know anythign about his life or prior ministry. This is something that Cliff should realize...this is the internet, and it would really make us "fools" if we just believed every person out there claiming to have a vision from God, (and there are thousands of them doing that)! If you truly are a prophet Cliff, then you should respect our need to obey God and to test the spirits/prophecies! Maybe you could give us some background on you or something by which we could evaluate spiritually your claim to be a prophet. Not to debate, but simply to show us why we should believe you. Back in the time of the prophets, those they spoke to , KNEW them , knew their lifestyle, their deeds, and they were known as prophets. We do not have that luxury, so we need to be very wise and discerning. Of course we're not going to just read your post and automatically believe every word of it! All that said, I totally agree with Cliff on the state of the Church in the USA, it's a mess and if you just look at one sin, that of abortion, and the lack of action by Christians (overall...sure some people are active, but most of us including me, live our lives as if millions of human beings are NOT being ripped to pieces in our cities every day), then there is reason for God to "spit us out of his mouth". And that's just one sin. We are SO lukewarm. We as Christians are SO just like the culture around us, addicted to our pleasures, our money, our stuff, and our appearance to others, our success, etc. And our churches are not overall preaching repentance, and obedience, they just teach us that God is love and we're all saved by grace, end of story. Do they preach about the ten commandments, including the one about observing the Sabbath? What about fasting? Do you EVER hear about fasting? Not much, maybe in the charismatic churches, which is good, but then they go on about claiming your wealth! So I agree we need to shape up, and I really liked Cliff's advice to pray and read the WORD over and over again, hiding it in our hearts...this is how we will grow in Christ and be ready for any trials to come (and we will not be pre-tribbed out !) These are "interesting" times to say the least, and I do think we need to be prepared spiritually and physically for anything that may be coming! As the bride of Christ, we need to have extra oil in hand and stay awake! God bless,Liz
Cliff Hilbert;71360]"However said:
I don’t waste my time on fools. [/B]This message is not something that I will defend, argue about or even try to convince you that it is of the Lord. That is not my job. My job is to be the messenger. The message is God’s, not mine. Argue with Him about" Those who receive this message and begin to prepare themselves and their families for the horrors that God is about to unleash upon this country will not be terrified by what is about to happen. Those who reject it, the blood of those you love will be upon your hands. Kim, if you are Kim Clements the false prophet, you wouldn't know the voice of God if He yelled in your ear with a megaphone. I have seen the spirit of the people on this website and I won't waste my time here anymore.
 

Brother Mike

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lizz7711:
All that said, I totally agree with Cliff on the state of the Church in the USA, it's a mess and if you just look at one sin, that of abortion, and the lack of action by Christians.........................
You need to change Churches. This is a ignorant statement, and where are we to judge those church's that have strayed? Who is the one that pinpoints the Churches that are Bad? According to Cliff, it would be TV bunch and Word of Faith bunch, Where most spend millions getting the Gospel preached all over the World. My Church alone sends out over 60,000 dollars in free DVD's and CD's postage paid. My Pastor does not keep any of that money he could have made. Yes, we are Word of faith, and My Pastor often speaks on believers voice of Victory for Brother Copeland.http://www.moorelife.org/mlnindex.phpNow, wake up!!!! Where is your faith? Catholic Churches have had many troubles, but are feeding thousands!!! We may not agree with the Mary thing or the praying to Saints, but we can believe the best for them. We can join in, and help feed people as they already have programs started. Your judgments are off, your confusing the end of times where things are suppose to get worse, but were sin abounds, Grace abounds more. 2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. So, we repent and somehow stop abortion, which the nation could not bear, as many would seek hack shops to do the job. We would need to change the media, and sow into a whole generation the reason not to get abortion. Abortion is just a symptom, of the perversion that is being taught all over the digital network. NO, in the last days!!! there shall be perilous times. Nothing is going to change that. Don't confuse scripture coming to pass with your unlearned observation of things. America is strong in the Lord. Jesus Is Lord.
 

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Americs econmy will collapse. it has being planned for sometime. I have being watching it happen since 9/11. How unknown people have propped up the " system", to keep it going to see states in the US with debts greater then the debts of the australian continent. Watching america with its hugeexpensive lavish churches, so called prophets living it up, al these false gospels being preached all over the world, watching a so called christian nation, going into other countries and comitting murder under the guise of" terrorism". there are not many people outside the us that agree with it no matter what the pollies say, here in australia we take what our pollies tell us with a grain of salt because here we can see through their lies thoung still many are foolish enough to think they actually care. Its coming , you cant stop it, stop listening to what they are saying and start listening to what they are not saying. They tickle your ears, telling you its all ok, when the average joe is loosing his, home , his job, his carreer, his pention, and your military is over stretched, your homeland is no longer safe, and japan and china have you in there hands. All they have to do is flog off there us currency holdings then see what happens, it must and it will for that is the only way an international currency can come about, the US dollar must become worthless. Scared you shouldnt be. Jesus said it would happen. In His Love
 

Brother Mike

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Watching america with its hugeexpensive lavish churches
Millions of dollars run through the church I go to...........sigh...........anyway, there is nothing we can do but watch and pray. Right now Obama is messing up the one world currency by honking off the United nations. His policy seems to be favoring Muslim countries and Russia. The U.N is not to impressed with this, and unhappy with us. The American dollar is not worth much, and this is China's point!!! They would like to see the dollar removed from the Forex (Currency Markets) It's this high fake inflated value that has to have a bottom somewhere. You can't keep spending something that is not there without everything crashing. I do believe it will crash.We were told these things will come, I believe this is the generation!!!!
 

Cliff Hilbert

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Wednesday, September 9, 2009To the Naysayers Several people have written that they don't agree with what I've prophesied and demanded that I back up my prophetic words biblically. I don't argue with people who disagree with the messages that the Lord has given me, anymore than Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekial, Elijah or any of the other prophets argued about their prophetic words. I won't try to "back them up scripturally" either because the prophets of old didn't try to "back up" their words scripturally. They are from the Lord and that is all I need to be concerned about. Whether people agree with them or not makes no difference - what I have prophesied will still come to pass.I've posted these prophetic messages on several forums and I have been amazed at the arrogant and argumentative so-called "Christians" that attack me on these forums. I don't respond to them anymore than I respond to those who attack me or disagree with me on this blog. The messages I put on here are prophetic words from the Lord, if you don't like them then argue with Him about them because I won't respond to you or argue with you -He won't either.Those who receive these prophetic words will be prepared when God's judgment is being poured out upon this country. Those who don't listen will be in great fear and turmoil, seeking a word from the Lord, but He will be silent because you refused to believe His prophets. The best advice I can give anyone is to turn off your idiot boxes, quit trying to do all the busy things you think you need to do to be important and begin reading your bibles, and fast and pray like you never have before. This is a time to get before the Lord every minute you can and ask Him what His plans for you, individually, are during the coming tribulation in the USA. Don't look to others for direction, look to the Lord. Turn off that trash on the religious television channels and seek the Lord while He may be found. The time is coming very, very, very soon when He won't be found for far too many who think they are "saved".
 

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Cliff Hilbert;73090]Wednesday said:
To the Naysayers [/B]Several people have written that they don't agree with what I've prophesied and demanded that I back up my prophetic words biblically. I don't argue with people who disagree with the messages that the Lord has given me, anymore than Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekial, Elijah or any of the other prophets argued about their prophetic words. I won't try to "back them up scripturally" either because the prophets of old didn't try to "back up" their words scripturally. They are from the Lord and that is all I need to be concerned about. Whether people agree with them or not makes no difference - what I have prophesied will still come to pass.I've posted these prophetic messages on several forums and I have been amazed at the arrogant and argumentative so-called "Christians" that attack me on these forums. I don't respond to them anymore than I respond to those who attack me or disagree with me on this blog. The messages I put on here are prophetic words from the Lord, if you don't like them then argue with Him about them because I won't respond to you or argue with you -He won't either.Those who receive these prophetic words will be prepared when God's judgment is being poured out upon this country. Those who don't listen will be in great fear and turmoil, seeking a word from the Lord, but He will be silent because you refused to believe His prophets. The best advice I can give anyone is to turn off your idiot boxes, quit trying to do all the busy things you think you need to do to be important and begin reading your bibles, and fast and pray like you never have before. This is a time to get before the Lord every minute you can and ask Him what His plans for you, individually, are during the coming tribulation in the USA. Don't look to others for direction, look to the Lord. Turn off that trash on the religious television channels and seek the Lord while He may be found. The time is coming very, very, very soon when He won't be found for far too many who think they are "saved".
You know, I feel like the author of this article is a bit unfair. That is like abandoning the Body of Christ. Some may ask them sincerely to back it up scripturally, some just do it to cause strife, and some just don't listen.If people are sincerely asking to back it up scripturally, and the author refused to do it anyway, I feel that the author is being selfish.I say, don't be hasty to pass out judgment calls.Matthew 18:20 - For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.II Corinthians 13:1 - This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.Not based on one person thoughts only, but multiple people.
 

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Jordan;73091]You know said:
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.[/I] II Corinthians 13:1 - This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. Not based on one person thoughts only, but multiple people.
You are absoulty right Jordan ..We are to weigh everything against the Word ..the fact this person elevates himself to a postion of not to be questioned or proved in scripture is a red flag. Even Jesus was questioned by the Apostels He says we are supposed to just believe him ..We do not follow men but God and his Word he has fore told us all things This is IMHO is the very mark of a false prophet.
 

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Hi Brother Mike, Very sweet to call my statements ignorant, thanks. You totally missed the point, I never said that there are not some GREAT churches out there doing awesome work for God! You may be blessed to be in a truly alive, active, generous church...and there certainly are many of those in the US. However, I do believe that if you were to look at the total number of Christians (a number only God knows), and then look at the percentage of people that are actively helping the poor, the widows, the "about to be aborted", etc, that the percentage would actually be pitifully low compared to what God calls us to. We can all give money, and that's great, but we are to be loving our neighbor on a daily basis in ACTIONS, and we are to be somehow set apart from the "worldly concerns" like how much money we have, how big our house is, etc. Many believers are in step with the Spirit and living Godly lives, but I think the majority are not. I just think the Church as a whole in this country is really lapsing, very spoilt, and does not realize how fragile our security is. About the Catholics feeding thousands...doing good works is fine, but that does not excuse false belief, and they will be held accountable by God for preaching false teaching, no matter how many people they feed. Just as the churches blessing same sex marriage will be held accountable, even though they are doing so in the name of LOVE. Finally...you seem to imply that we should not judge churches. The Bible clearly teaches that we are not to judge those OUTSIDE the church, but we ought to hold those within the church accountable...so we SHOULD judge the churches, and call them to the standard of Yeshua our Messiah! This is for ALL churches, i'm certainly not signaling out any one denomination or group...we are all guilty of sin. But maybe I misinterpreted your statement, and if so i'm sorry. blessings in Christ,Liz
 

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I don't mean to come across Liz. I hate judgment, I hate the doom and gloom "Goth" Christians. I am a man of faith, I believe the best and hope the Best. I never Give up on anyone, and I don't have to agree with the way you believe to love you. Spouting off Fear, and worry is of the devil. I suggest you try some faith, because it was told to you, to pray for those in authority that you may lead a quite and peaceable life. You do believe that God is not a liar, correct?Believe something, and be a blessing to those that oppose themselves, not jump on the bad wagon with the Goth Christian set.So Liz!!! it is easy to sit back and judge the acts of the Flesh, and accuse, and Yell Sin, sin, I see sin. It's another to be filled with the Spirit of Power and actually make a difference. Jesus is Lord!!!
 

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Cliff Hilbert,If you were truly a prophet of God, He would have shown you were the USA is in the end times Scriptures. The USA will not go unpunished but it will NOT be destroyed.
 

lizz7711

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I agree we shouldn't ONLY be talking gloom and doom and judgement. But I tend to think in general that the church as a whole is tilted too far in the "everything's ok" mindset. If you read the NT, Paul and Jesus and the others writings are full of reprimands and guidance on how to follow Christ more closely. The letters to the 7 churches in Revelation are not full of just "power and glory of God and positive thinking"...they point out a couple good aspects of their ministries, but then blatantly and succinctly point out the major sin areas, and call them to repent and change. And then, how they will be rewarded if they do so. I think we should strive to fulfull all of those commands in those 7 letters, and hope to receive all those rewards in heaven. To do this, and to help our brothers and sisters also, we need to commend the positives, but also warn where there is serious disobedience! AGain, I totally include myself in the camp needing admonition and serious change in my daily behaviors and attitudes! God bless,Liz
Brother Mike;73098]I don said:
So Liz!!! it is easy to sit back and judge the acts of the Flesh, and accuse, and Yell Sin, sin, I see sin. It's another to be filled with the Spirit of Power and actually make a difference. [/SIZE] Jesus is Lord!!!
 

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Cliff HilbertA prophet would not write like you do.Your writing is mostly about yourself and an expression of your opinion. That is all it is.You are entitled to your opinion but if you confuse it with prophecy you need to be corrected.Martin W.