Healthcare?

Some random thoughts from a country (Canada)with free health care for all citizens.Free health care for all is a noble and honorable thing for a society to strive for.To think that government can manage it better than anyone else is an error. Government has a hard time managing itself.Free health care for everybody is not free. It is paid for by taxation. That would be you who pays.Years ago doctors treated everyone who called. Many doctors had a passion to help the sick. it was like a calling to them.This was honorable. Some people were able to pay. Many did not. Nevertheless the doctor was still usually the wealthiest person in town.Years ago the majority of nurses were volunteers or were paid very little. This was very honorable. They cared for the sick as personal good works and with compassion.In modern day , health care is a huge business. Often money is a prime motive. Yet we must face the fact we are surrounded by some of the best facilities , and specialists we never dreamed of having in the past. Capitalism and money can accomplish a lot of good.As a matter of fact if you watch carefully , the "stinkin' rich" in North America often donate huge amounts of money to hospitals and medical research. Can't fault that.Doctors in my country are paid what the government decides. Some doctors move to the US to make more. Cant always blame them. Talent should be rewarded.Our Canadian polititians like to boast about our "free" health care and sometimes bash the American health care model. Yet when they need top notch surgery .... they go to the USA for it ..... that should tell us something.Our health care system often has long line-ups for surgery unless it is critical, then it is moved to the head of the line. We have a shortage of doctors and hospitals in many communities.Many good things about our system and I am most thankfull. But it is not perfect. The US system is great overall , top heavy sometimes on the money issues , too many expensive lawsuits , your drug companies charge you double what we pay for the identical medications etc. But be aware when governments tell you they could do better.Those are some of my thoughts.As for me , I am going to live forever. Jesus said so. I may get buried in the ground for a while , but I'll be back Martin W.

I really liked your Post Martin. Everything you said is true but would change if America switched to a health care system such as yours. We have the best of the best over here. Better than any place in the World and our President wants to change that. Canada has it pretty good. When possible, Canadians can use the Health care system in Canada and not get set back thousands of dollars in debt. If need be, they can freely come across the boarder and get the specialized help needed. If our President has his way then that gets messed up. It will effect both countries.We do have government programs in place already. I would really like to see a limitation on law suits put in place though. It hurts the industry. If someone is led by God, then they can avoid those botched surgery's. More people need to be able to hear from the Holy Ghost.Just recently my daughter chipped her tooth. We took her into a place that wanted to perform a couple thousand dollar surgery and put her to sleep. She is only two. I kept getting a check in my spirit about doing this, even though her tooth was bothering here. Its best to obey those things in your heart from the Holy Ghost and I decided not to take her.A few months latter we had her checked again, and the remaining part of the tooth was alive and well. We were told it could wait until her permanent teeth come in. Nothing needed done. Had I not obeyed the Holy Ghost I would not like to think what might have happened. It would have also been a few thousand dollars down the drain for no reason.Jesus Is Lord.

[quote name='SwampFox;71118]Is it fixed? Broken?Does it anger you' date=' excite you?I'm curious to see if you have some Bible verses that you feel might be applicable to what is going on?[/QUOTE']Hi Swamp Fox,I think many people are missing the point completely when it comes to health care in this country from a Godly standpoint. What did God say? How would God tell us to handle this?1.) As the Founding Fathers established, it's not the responsibility of the Federal Government to dole out charity OR health care. That is the responsibility of the churches and local communities. Under the Constitution, the local communities were to have more power than the state, and the state more power than the Federal Government. That's not what we have now.2.) As Jesus said, "we are to love our neighbors as ourselves". This means we help when needed or asked and we don't infringe upon other people's rights when we lead our lives. That means keeping ourselves healthy and clean so as not to infect others, and give either money or our time when asked.3.) God gave us a set of rules and guidelines regarding our health. He showed us what to eat and what not to eat. He also taught us about cleanliness and health and what to do when you get sick. He even taught us about how to farm and raise animals. Book of Leviticus and other books of the Pentateuch.4.) We have runaway health problems in this country because we have disobeyed God when it comes to what we eat, etc., and the health guides about keeping separate from those who are "unhealthy".5.) Now what to do about those who are already sick? We pray for them, and through our charities and churches we provide what health needs they have. If everyone gives a little bit, then a whole lot can be done for those in need.6.) The health care system we have today goes against the teachings of God That is why it is broken. Insurance was started by the Presbyterians way back in Scotland about 500 years ago as a means of "charity". NOT a commercial means of making a profit. Insurance by itself is not a bad thing. But what have now is "corporate greed" and companies who care nothing about really helping people, just a numbers game.7.) We need to go back to a "non-profit" system in "each" community. Each small community is responsible for making sure people get helped. That is so much easier than a HUGE BIG BROTHER conglomerate which is wrought with fraud and greed and can't even handle making sure people get their unemployment benefits. A small group is easier to manage than a large group... common sense.8.) Doctors in the community can go back to taking what ever money, service, or item of value in trade for health services rendered. This is how it was done in our country for 300 years and worked great until the greedy banks, government, and insurance companies put their hands into it.The answer is really that simple. But we humans enjoy making things more complicated than they need to be.How about we listen to God?Blessings,Kim

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Worldwide Tributes Honor Sen. Ted Kennedy; “Liberal Lion” Was Key Champion of Healthcare Reform The late Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy was honored across the nation and around the world Wednesday, hours after his death at the age of seventy-seven. We hear tributes from President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden and play clips of Kennedy speaking about healthcare reform, which he saw as the cause of his life.President Barack Hussein Obama, speaking after Sen. Kennedy’s death.Vice President Joseph Biden, speaking after Sen. Kennedy’s death.Sen. Edward Kennedy, excerpts from speeches on healthcare in 1971 and 2008.JUAN GONZALEZ: Tributes to Senator Edward Kennedy continue to pour in from across the globe, from Northern Ireland to South Africa. Memorial services for Kennedy begin today, when a procession will leave Cape Cod accompanying his body to Boston. Kennedy will lie in repose at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum tonight and tomorrow. On Saturday, President Obama will give the eulogy at Kennedy’s funeral. He will be buried next to his brothers John and Robert Kennedy in Arlington National Cemetery. On Wednesday, President Obama spoke in Martha’s Vineyard about Kennedy’s forty-seven years in the US Senate. PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I wanted to say a few words this morning about the passing of an extraordinary leader, Senator Edward Kennedy. Over the past several years, I’ve had the honor to call Teddy a colleague, a counselor and a friend. And even though we have known this day was coming for some time now, we awaited it with no small amount of dread. Since Teddy’s diagnosis last year, we’ve seen the courage with which he battled his illness. And while these months have no doubt been difficult for him, they’ve also let him hear from people in every corner of our nation and from around the world just how much he meant to all of us. His fight has given us the opportunity we were denied when his brothers John and Robert were taken from us: the blessing of time to say thank you and goodbye. The outpouring of love, gratitude and fond memories, to which we’ve all borne witness, is a testament to the way this singular figure in American history touched so many lives. His ideas and ideals are stamped on scores of laws and reflected in millions of lives—in seniors who know new dignity, in families that know new opportunity, in children who know education’s promise, and in all who can pursue their dream in an America that is more equal and more just, including myself.JUAN GONZALEZ: Vice President Joseph Biden also spoke on Wednesday. Biden served in the Senate with Kennedy for thirty-six years. VICE PRESIDENT JOSEPH BIDEN: Unlike many important people in my thirty-eight years I’ve had the privilege of knowing, the unique thing about Teddy was it was never about him. It was always about you. It was never about him. There’s people I admire, great women and men, but the end of the day, it gets down to being about them. With Teddy, it was never about him. Well, today we lost a truly remarkable man. And to paraphrase Shakespeare, I don’t think we shall ever see his like again. But I think the legacy he left is not just in the landmark legislation he passed, but in how he helped people look at themselves and look at one another.AMY GOODMAN: Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia called on Congress to pass healthcare reform and to name the law after Kennedy. In a few minutes, we’ll go to Boston to discuss how the state of Massachusetts will choose a successor to Kennedy and the impact this will have on the healthcare debate. But first we want to play two excerpts of Senator Kennedy in his own words, discussing the state of the nation’s healthcare system. The first comes from a 1971 newscast on CBS anchored by Walter Cronkite. WALTER CRONKITE: President Nixon today pledged his administration to a new national health plan that would benefit not only patients but also doctors and citizens who enjoy good health. But beating him to the punch, Senator Edward Kennedy earlier proposed an alternate plan that goes much further than the administration. Daniel Schorr offers a comparison of these two health plans. DANIEL SCHORR: President Nixon has said that this will be health year, the year to tackle what he’s called the massive crisis of spiraling costs and overstrained medical resources. Today the President pitted a low-key, low-budget plan to expand private insurance coverage against the more drastic proposals in Congress paced by the labor-supported Kennedy plan for cradle-to-grave federal health insurance for all Americans. RICHARD NIXON: I am proposing today a new national health strategy. It helps more people pay for care, but it also expands the supply of health services and makes them more efficient. It emphasizes keeping people well, not just making people well. The purpose of this program is simply this: I want America to have the finest healthcare in the world, and I want every American to be able to have that care when he needs it. SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY: The President’s program, as announced today as a national health partnership program, I believe is really a partnership program that will provide billions of dollars to the health insurance companies. It’s really a partnership between the administration and the insurance companies. It’s not a partnership between the patients and the doctors in this nation.AMY GOODMAN: Senator Ted Kennedy speaking with Richard Nixon on CBS News in 1971 in a Walter Cronkite-anchored program. Well, this is Senator Kennedy speaking in Montgomery, Pennsylvania, in April, 2008, one month before he was diagnosed with a cancerous brain tumor. SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY: But it brings me back, my friends, to another thought, and that is the whole issue of health insurance and universal coverage. It has been the passion of my life. It has been the passion of my life. And it has been the passion of my life since the earliest days of my life, when we had been exposed to a sister with mental retardation and we saw the special kinds of care that she needed and the attention that she took; seven months in a hospital after a plane crash; three children, two of which have had cancer, cancer of the lungs; son who lost a leg to cancer as a young child. I was exposed to really the challenges of healthcare, and I was always also exposed to the very best in healthcare. And one of the searing memories in my life is being in a children’s hospital in Boston with my son who had lost his leg to cancer, and he was under a regime that was going to take three days of treatment every three weeks for two years in order to be able to be in this process or this system, this treatment, that offered the best opportunity. And it was being paid for, since it was an experimental, by NIH. And they paid for probably the first four months that I was in that particular regime. And after that, it had demonstrated some success, and they stopped the payments. But for all the other families, they didn’t have the kind of health insurance that that had, with $3,000 for every family, every three weeks. And I listened to these families, whose had—their children had the same kind of affliction that my child had. And they said, “Look, we’ve sold our house. We have the $30,000. We have $20,000. We’re able to afford it for three months, for four months, for five months. What kind of chance does my child have to be able to survive?” I knew that my child was going to have the best, because I had the health insurance of the United States Senate. And I knew that no one, no parent, no parent, in that hospital had the kind of coverage that I had. That kind of choice for any parent in this country is absolutely unacceptable and wrong, my friends. And I can tell you this: when every member of the United States Senate comes in and signed into the United States Senate, they signed a little card in two places, and one is their signature for their salary, and the other is for their health insurance. Their health insurance. Now, Senator Brown of Ohio, to his credit, will not accept it until the people of Ohio get it. Every other member of the United States Senate—every other member of the United States Senate has accepted it. And for the fifteen times that I have fought on the floor of the United States Senate that we ought to have universal comprehensive coverage and to listen to those voices on the other side that have universal and comprehensive coverage and say, “No, it is not time. We can’t afford it. It’s the wrong bill at the wrong time”—my friends, if that health insurance is good enough for the members of the Congress of the United States and good enough for the President of the United States, it’s good enough for everybody in Montgomery County, everyone in Pennsylvania, and everyone across this country.AMY GOODMAN: The late Senator Ted Kennedy speaking in April 2008 in Pennsylvania. We got to break. When we come back, we’ll find out about what the plan is to fill the empty Senate seat in Massachusetts. Stay with us.More Infor < Click here: Democracy Now! | Radio and TV News