God revealed who the beast is in Jeremiah 50

You did not address my question?Have you ever heard of the left hand of God; and if you have what does it mean?

But, Brother Mike is right, its God who declares Satan is the god of this world.

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We are not God's "puppets" and He is not a "puppeteer".

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I can't believe I am reading this!!!! Do I detect some back peddling? Could Brother Benoni be taking heed to our hard work and effort? Though it was long, I like some things I read. Christina: No issue here Sister. Good posts......(Pst... love)Christian Commando: Great stuff. Just when you think you cover everything, someone teaches you more stuff.

Brother Benoni is not taking heed to your'e all powerful Satan and itti bitty god with no power or authority.[quote name='Brother Mike;71815][COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR]I can't believe I am reading this!!!! Do I detect some back peddling? Could Brother Benoni be taking heed to our hard work and effort? Though it was long' date=' I like some things I read. [SIZE=4']Christina[/SIZE]: No issue here Sister. Good posts......(Pst... love)Christian Commando: Great stuff. Just when you think you cover everything, someone teaches you more stuff.[/QUOTE]

None of these verses refer to God possession the earth in some out there yonder time or place; they are all present tense, not future tense. Psalm 90: 1Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. 2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. 3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.Like I said.Satan may be god of the earth; BUT GOD is God of the earth NOW; "all generations". 1 Chronicles 29:11Thine, O LORD is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all. Psalm 24: 1 The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. Psalm 47:2For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.Psalm 47:6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises. 7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. 8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. Psalm 89: 11The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them.Present tense,,,,,,

Whats wrong cant answer the question in Job how a concept walks and talks so you dodge it ???and absoulty has to do with your post you said Satan is a concept..... I understand it perfectly as does everyone else so seems you can be easily be disproved in scripture .... And you foolish notion of two beginnings is again lack of any understanding whats said Lucifer was created befor us as were all Angels he was the guardian of the mercy seat .... He fell from at the beginning of our bible his name became Satan ,,,, Eze 28:13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. He deceived Adam and Eve in the role of the serpent (the hissing one). How beautiful he was before Eve. Yes, she was wholly seduced by him through his beauty and craftiness. Eze 28:14Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Satan was an angel a noited Cherb God says so Instead of protecting the mercy seat, he attempted to take it. His betrayal of God was that he did not protect the mercy seat but rather, out of pride, tried to take it for himself; thefore attempting to dethrone God and take over as God. Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Satan became consumed in loving himself and no longer loved God. He was created Lucifer and he fell and became Satan and Satan was in the garden and most certainly and Angel

No I cannot answer a vague question with any substance; that does not mean I am dodging anything; at least now you have some substance in you’re statement. You said “he (Satan) fell from at the beginning of our bible his name became Satan” “wow” where dig up this false statement; no where does it say he fell at the “beginning of our Bible”. So by taking a legitimate verse that Satan’s beginnings were a liar and a murderer you just add you’re assumption that this beginning has something to do with the beginning of the Bible and this makes it fact; what a joke. You’re assumptions are full of holes. Now the following three verses show us "Satan’s beginnings", with no assumptions or changing God’s Word and assumptions; assumptions are great when we are reaching for truth; BUT not when they go against scripture with no merit except to prove your'e false doctine. Satan has only one beginning; but you are trying to prove he has two; WRONG. (then you spin it and say it is a silly notion; but the fact of this "silly notion" as you call it comes from your'e non scriptural assumptions). Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy. (See God created Satan as a waister a destroyer not an arch agel) Then our Lord says:Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. John writes in 1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..Now I will address Ez. 28. where you go assuming and adding to God’s Word; no where is the word “Satan” anywhere in this Ez. 28; yes Satan was in the Garden of Eden; but so was Adam. Adam fell from a high and lofty place; Satan was created as a liar a murderer from his beginnings that is a scriptural fact. You are the one dodging the fact of the literal passages that declares Satan was always a liar (not from the beginning of the Bible as you false stated), and a murderer and that is the way God created him. Not as an angel as Rome has made him, you are ignoring and dodging this fact of God’s Word and replacing it with assumptions. Where does it say Satan was a guardian of the mercy seat; what a joke. You are right it is foolish notion to believe Satan has two beginnings; nothing has two beginnings but you’re doctrine makes this foolishness a fact; unless you are totally ignoring the verses I listed above; that declare Satan’s not Lucifer’s beginnings. Seeing you have only Ez 28 which never mentioned the word Satan (more assumption); and ignore the fact Satan has one beginning not two, yet you are still trying to prove Satan has two beginning.Yes he deceived Adam and Eve as a serpent (not an arch angel); he is known as the deceiver (that is one of his titles; just like murderer; but a serpent is a far cry from an arch angel. No where does it say Satan was a an arch angel; messenger yes but not an arch messenger/angel; you are assuming this with no substance. You said” Satan became consumed in loving himself and no longer loved God. He was created Lucifer and he fell and became Satan and Satan was in the garden and most certainly and Angel. You have no scriptural proof is assumption except Ez. 28 which never connects Satan to Lucifer except in youre false creed and in your'e mind; in fact the word Lucifer is not even a Hebrew Word, but you and your old warn out creeds from Rome have made a false doctrine around these bad interpretations and assumptions; you think if you can place the word Lucifer an Satan together there is a connection; the only connection is you’re assumption. You all give Satan far too much power.

Christina;71820]Whats wrong cant answer the question in Job how a concept walks and talks so you dodge it ???and absoulty has to do with your post you said Satan is a concept..... I understand it perfectly as does everyone else so seems you can be easily be disproved in scripture .... And you foolish notion of two beginnings is again lack of any understanding whats said Lucifer was created befor us as were all Angels he was the guardian of the mercy seat .... He fell from at the beginning of our bible his name became Satan said:

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; [/B]every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. He deceived Adam and Eve in the role of the serpent (the hissing one). How beautiful he was before Eve. Yes, she was wholly seduced by him through his beauty and craftiness. Eze 28:14Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Satan was an angel a noited Cherb God says so Instead of protecting the mercy seat, he attempted to take it. His betrayal of God was that he did not protect the mercy seat but rather, out of pride, tried to take it for himself; thefore attempting to dethrone God and take over as God. Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Satan became consumed in loving himself and no longer loved God. He was created Lucifer and he fell and became Satan and Satan was in the garden and most certainly and Angel

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This post is addressed to Everyone EXCEPT BEONONI I have no time for game players interested in their own ego rather than their fathers word ..They are the ones who give Satan his power but for the people who really care and are getting confused here lets add up the evidence ....You can make your own conclusion God speaking here Eze 28:13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze 28:14Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Satan was an Anoited Cherub (Cherub,s are Angels ) He was on Gods Holy moutain Now who was in Eden besides Adam Eve and Satan? ...Answer no one ....we are not addressong Adam nor Eve here. This is God addressing Satan Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.He was created Perfect .....till of his own free will iniquity was found in him 17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. God goes on to tell Satan his heart was lifted up because of his own beauty,he has become corrupted by his own wisdom i.e. his pride. What is his fate? God will lay him before kings that they may behold him ... 18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. Now we all know Satan's fate is to be thrown in the pit and burned and destroyed forever But first he is going to the pit for 1000 years ... before he is turned loose for short time Rev 20:3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. So what has Satan been doing here? .......Deceiving the nations/peoples So lets recap here what God has shown us 1. Satan was in the garden of Eden 2. He was created perfect 3. He is an Annoited Cherb (Angel) 4. He became full of pride because of his own beauty and wisdom 5. He will deceive the nations 6. He will be brought down put in the Pit Now lets go to Isa.14 This is God addressing Lucifer after his return (2nd coming) 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Now Lucifer has fallen from Heaven ...So he is an Angel who has fallen and he has weakened (attacked spirtually the nations) (same as Satan ) 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. We see here Lucifer's heart was lifted with pride and he says he will put his throne above Gods ..i.e. He wants to be God So again we have same as Satan his heart was filled with pride and he rebelled thought he should be God ..Who dares to say they should be above God !!!! 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; We see Lucifer is headed for the pit ...Same as Satan Why? he made the earth tremble and shook the nations/kingdoms Same as Satan Now why is God going to suddenly mention this Angel who has fallen is so arrogant and Powerful he can dare to think he should set his throne above Gods , he deceives nations/people is going to do the same thing as Satan, suffer the same fate as Satan ...and yet according to some he is of little importance and never again mention .... Then why are we even told of him ...Complete ignorance would have to be applied by one here not to see that this but Another name for Satan ... Lucifer 1. Created an Angel 2.became full of Pride 3. Thinks he should be God4. Will be brought to the pit 5. deceived the nations For those who have eyes to see can add 1+ 1 Satan and Lucifer are one in the same there is more proof of this but one must go into deeper study of language and Gods symbols ...And I will not go there now for the benifit of those dealing with just surface text ........ Now to further wittness as to Satan being an Angel we can look to Job 1:Job 1: 6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Now who but and Angel can have a face to face meeting with God ??God questions him and he answers and he says he's been walking to and fro upon the earth...Obviously during the time of Job we know God is in heaven and Satan is speaking with him face to face ... Now as a thrid wittnessLets Go to Mathew 4 1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. The devil, Satan is so arrogant so sure of himself he alone can tempt Christ Who would dare temp Christ ...have the power and authority to ofer Christ the world if he denys God ... This devil has enough authority to actually tempt Jesus Christ This is most certainly a powerful Angel who heart has been lifted become full of himself and thinks he is equal or more powerful than the Lord himself ... This is None other than Lucifer/Satan/Devil/ serpent/ the accuser ect. or one of the many other names he is called in scripture ..... And to get back to the title of this thread Satan(lucifer) is also the second beast in Rev.(the first beast is a One world governmental system) and Satan is the little horn of Rev. ..... In the mouth of 2 or 3 wittness's "shall the matter be established". I have given 3 wittness to these facts added it together for you in Gods own Words not my own ... Benoni do not reply this is not addressed to you ... Your doctrine is your own and you have had your say ..I think everyone has heard enough from you on this topic and it has been proven not to align with Gods Word

Preach it Sister!!!! preach it!!!I am done also. I thought there was a glimpse of hope, but...............Jesus Is Lord

Amen Brother Mike. This lady is a wonderful servant and a great Sister in Christ.

If anyone is playing games it is you. You did not address one thing I said you just keep reposted the same scriptures that never addressed Satan. Then you added a bunch of scriptures that have nothing to do with this debate. Your'e spinning.Then you say I am playing games..[/B]

Christina;71846][B][SIZE=3]This post is addressed to Everyone [COLOR=royalblue]EXCEPT BEONONI[/COLOR] I have no time for game players interested in their own ego rather than their fathers word ..They are the ones who give Satan his power [/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3]but for the people who really care and getting confused here lets add up the evidence ....[/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3][U]God speaking here[/U] [/SIZE] [URL=http://bible.logos.com/passage/kjv/Eze%2028.13][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Eze 28:13[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=3][B][COLOR=red]Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God[/COLOR]; [/B]every precious stone [was] thy covering said:

Eze 28:14Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Satan was an Anoited Cherub (Cherub,s are Angels ) He was on Gods Holy moutain Now was in Eden besides Adam Eve and Satan ...Answer no one .... This is God addressing Satan Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.He was created Perfect .....till of his own frre will iniquity was found in him 17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. God goes on to tell Satan his heart was lifted up because of his own beauty,he has become corrupted by his own wisdom i.e. his pride What is is fate God will lay him before kings that they may behold him ...18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. Now we all know Satan's fate is to thrown in the pit and burned and destroyed forever But first he is going to the pit for 1000 years ... before he is turned loose for short time Rev 20:3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. So what has Satan been doing here? .......Deceiving the nations So lets recap here what God has shown us 1. Satan was in the garden of Eden 2. He was created perfect 3. He is an Annoited Cherb (Angel) 4. He became full of pride because of his own beauty and wisdom 5. He will deceive the nations 6. He will be brought down put in the Pit Now lets go to Isa.14This is God addressing Lucifer after his return (2nd coming) 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Now Lucifer has fallen from Heaven ...So he is an Angel who has fallen and he has weakened (attacked spirtually the nations) (same as Satan )13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. We see here Lucifer's heart was lifted with pride and he says he will put his throne above Gods ..i.e. He wants to be God So again we have same as Satan his heart was filled with pride and he rebelled thought he should be God ..Who dares to say they should be above God !!!!15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; We see Lucifer is headed for the pit ...Same as Satan Why? he made the earth tremble and shook the nations/kingdoms Same as Satan Now why is God going to suddenly mention this Angel who has fallen is so arrogant and Powerful he can dare to think he should set his throne above Gods , he deceives nations/people is going to do the same thing as Satan suffer the same fate as Satan ...and yet according to some he is of little importance and never again mention .... Then why are we even told of him ...Complete ignorance would have to be applied by one here not to see that this but Another name for Satan ... Lucifer 1. Created an Angel 2.became full of Pride 3. Thinks he should be God4. Will be brought to the pit 5. deceived the nations For those who have eyes to see can add 1+ 1 Satan and Lucifer are one in the same there is more proff of this but one must go into deeper study of language and Gods symbols ...And I will not go there now for the benifit of those dealing with just surface text ........ Now to further wittness as to Satan being an Angel we can look to Job 1:Job 1:6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Now who but and Angel can have a face to face meeting with God ??God questions him and he answers and he says he's been walking to and fro upon the earth...Obviously at the time of Job God is in heaven and Satan is speaking with him face to face ... Now as a thrid wittnessLets Go to Mathew 4 1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. The devil, Satan is so arrogant so sure of himself he alone can tempt Christ Who would dare temp Christ ...have the power and authority to ofer Christ the world if he denys God ... This devil has enough authority to actually tempt Jesus Christ This is most certainly a powerful Angel who heart has been lifted become full of himself and thinks he is equal or more powerful than the Lord himself ... This is None other than Lucifer/Satan/Devil/ serpent/ the accuser ect. or one of the many other names he is called in scripture ..... And to get back to the title of this thread Satan(lucifer) is also the second beast in Rev.(the first beast is a One world governmental system) and Satan is the little horn of Rev. ..... In the mouth of 2 or 3 wittness's "shall the matter be established". I have given 3 wittness to these facts added it together for you in Gods own Words not my own ... Benoni do not reply this is not addressed to you ... Your doctrine is your own and you have had your say ..I think everyone has heard enough from you on this topic and it has been proven not to align with Gods Word

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Brother Mike what did she say?

Brother Mike;71849]Preach it Sister!!!! preach it!!!I am done also. I thought there was a glimpse of hope said:

Here address this?You said “he (Satan) fell from at the beginning of our bible his name became Satan” “wow” where dig up this false statement; no where does it say he fell at the “beginning of our Bible”.So by taking a legitimate verse that Satan’s beginnings were a liar and a murderer you just add you’re assumption that this beginning has something to do with the beginning of the Bible and this makes it fact; what a joke. You’re assumptions are full of holes.Spin this..Now the following three verses show us "Satan’s beginnings", with no assumptions or changing God’s Word and assumptions; assumptions are great when we are reaching for truth; BUT not when they go against scripture with no merit except to prove your'e false doctine. Satan has only one beginning; but you are trying to prove he has two; WRONG. (then you spin it and say it is a silly notion; but the fact of this "silly notion" as you call it comes from your'e non scriptural assumptions).Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy. (See God created Satan as a waister a destroyer not an arch agel) Then our Lord says:Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. John writes in 1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..Address this.Now I will address Ez. 28. where you go assuming and adding to God’s Word; no where is the word “Satan” anywhere in this Ez. 28; yes Satan was in the Garden of Eden; but so was Adam. Adam fell from a high and lofty place; Satan was created as a liar a murderer from his beginnings that is a scriptural fact. You are the one dodging the fact of the literal passages that declares Satan was always a liar (not from the beginning of the Bible as you false stated), and a murderer and that is the way God created him. Not as an angel as Rome has made him, you are ignoring and dodging this fact of God’s Word and replacing it with assumptions. Where does it say Satan was a guardian of the mercy seat; what a joke.You are right it is foolish notion to believe Satan has two beginnings; nothing has two beginnings but you’re doctrine makes this foolishness a fact; unless you are totally ignoring the verses I listed above; that declare Satan’s not Lucifer’s beginnings. Seeing you have only Ez 28 which never mentioned the word Satan (more assumption); and ignore the fact Satan has one beginning not two, yet you are still trying to prove Satan has two beginning.Yes he deceived Adam and Eve as a serpent (not an arch angel); he is known as the deceiver (that is one of his titles; just like murderer; but a serpent is a far cry from an arch angel. No where does it say Satan was a an arch angel; messenger yes but not an arch messenger/angel; you are assuming this with no substance.You said” Satan became consumed in loving himself and no longer loved God. He was created Lucifer and he fell and became Satan and Satan was in the garden and most certainly and Angel. You have no scriptural proof is assumption except Ez. 28 which never connects Satan to Lucifer except in youre false creed and in your'e mind; in fact the word Lucifer is not even a Hebrew Word, but you and your old warn out creeds from Rome have made a false doctrine around these bad interpretations and assumptions; you think if you can place the word Lucifer an Satan together there is a connection; the only connection is you’re assumption.Now how about addressing the issue instead of avoiding where you have been shown wrong over and over again; my seven year old granddaughter can post scriptures; BIG DEAL.

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You are completely biblical illiterate in you replies I would reply to more but you are so busy posting 20 posts.. why is that? so you can get my scripture off the page ? you answer no questions just make illogical statements you fool no one. Bible study is knowing how to draw the scripture together on one subject ,,So that one can get a complete picture of what God is telling us ... If we followed your plan we could then sum up Christ with one verse in one book ... We must read every witness to him to get a complete picture and come to and a full understanding that he is a lamb slain and a teacher and a savior and Kings of Kings and more ... This is how God teaches you should learn it.All my scripture is all related all are on the same subject ...its called rightly dividing the Word ....Something God tells us to do/learn to understand his Word ... So Im following what God says to do.. try it sometime Ps Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. I hate to burst your bubble but this is Cain being spoken of here the first murder not Satan John writes in 1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.. Yes exactly as I said Satan was rebelling from the beginning of our Bible story and Christ did get the victory ... So whats that Prove ..Why dont you tell me when the Angels were created ? I never said when Lucifer rebelled and fell and became Satan only that from the beginning of mans story/pur Bible Satan was already rebelling ... So why dont you tell us all when God created the Angels you know so much Im sure you know all things of Heaven and Gods creations ....

Christina;71846][B][SIZE=3]This post is addressed to Everyone [COLOR=royalblue]EXCEPT BEONONI[/COLOR] I have no time for game players interested in their own ego rather than their fathers word ..They are the ones who give Satan his power [/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3]but for the people who really care and are getting confused here lets add up the evidence ....You can make your own conclusion[/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3][U]God speaking here[/U] [/SIZE] [URL=http://bible.logos.com/passage/kjv/Eze%2028.13][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Eze 28:13[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=3][B][COLOR=red]Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God[/COLOR]; [/B]every precious stone [was] thy covering said:

Eze 28:14Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Satan was an Anoited Cherub (Cherub,s are Angels ) He was on Gods Holy moutain Now who was in Eden besides Adam Eve and Satan? ...Answer no one ....we are not addressong Adam nor Eve here. This is God addressing Satan Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.He was created Perfect .....till of his own free will iniquity was found in him 17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. God goes on to tell Satan his heart was lifted up because of his own beauty,he has become corrupted by his own wisdom i.e. his pride. What is his fate? God will lay him before kings that they may behold him ... 18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. Now we all know Satan's fate is to be thrown in the pit and burned and destroyed forever But first he is going to the pit for 1000 years ... before he is turned loose for short time Rev 20:3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. So what has Satan been doing here? .......Deceiving the nations/peoples So lets recap here what God has shown us 1. Satan was in the garden of Eden 2. He was created perfect 3. He is an Annoited Cherb (Angel) 4. He became full of pride because of his own beauty and wisdom 5. He will deceive the nations 6. He will be brought down put in the Pit Now lets go to Isa.14 This is God addressing Lucifer after his return (2nd coming) 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Now Lucifer has fallen from Heaven ...So he is an Angel who has fallen and he has weakened (attacked spirtually the nations) (same as Satan ) 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. We see here Lucifer's heart was lifted with pride and he says he will put his throne above Gods ..i.e. He wants to be God So again we have same as Satan his heart was filled with pride and he rebelled thought he should be God ..Who dares to say they should be above God !!!! 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; We see Lucifer is headed for the pit ...Same as Satan Why? he made the earth tremble and shook the nations/kingdoms Same as Satan Now why is God going to suddenly mention this Angel who has fallen is so arrogant and Powerful he can dare to think he should set his throne above Gods , he deceives nations/people is going to do the same thing as Satan, suffer the same fate as Satan ...and yet according to some he is of little importance and never again mention .... Then why are we even told of him ...Complete ignorance would have to be applied by one here not to see that this but Another name for Satan ... Lucifer 1. Created an Angel 2.became full of Pride 3. Thinks he should be God4. Will be brought to the pit 5. deceived the nations For those who have eyes to see can add 1+ 1 Satan and Lucifer are one in the same there is more proof of this but one must go into deeper study of language and Gods symbols ...And I will not go there now for the benifit of those dealing with just surface text ........ Now to further wittness as to Satan being an Angel we can look to Job 1:Job 1: 6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Now who but and Angel can have a face to face meeting with God ??God questions him and he answers and he says he's been walking to and fro upon the earth...Obviously during the time of Job we know God is in heaven and Satan is speaking with him face to face ... Now as a thrid wittnessLets Go to Mathew 4 1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. The devil, Satan is so arrogant so sure of himself he alone can tempt Christ Who would dare temp Christ ...have the power and authority to ofer Christ the world if he denys God ... This devil has enough authority to actually tempt Jesus Christ This is most certainly a powerful Angel who heart has been lifted become full of himself and thinks he is equal or more powerful than the Lord himself ... This is None other than Lucifer/Satan/Devil/ serpent/ the accuser ect. or one of the many other names he is called in scripture ..... And to get back to the title of this thread Satan(lucifer) is also the second beast in Rev.(the first beast is a One world governmental system) and Satan is the little horn of Rev. ..... In the mouth of 2 or 3 wittness's "shall the matter be established". I have given 3 wittness to these facts added it together for you in Gods own Words not my own ... Benoni do not reply this is not addressed to you ... Your doctrine is your own and you have had your say ..I think everyone has heard enough from you on this topic and it has been proven not to align with Gods Word

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Just re-posting for Benoni

You ignored my first postings. You still are ignoring most of the issues that are posted and acting like they are not issues because you believe a lie. I am now trying to address you’re issues and point of view; and when I do they will not be based on false assumptions and a multiple of scriptures that have nothing to do with Satan’s beginnings.Seeing I am so Biblically literate how about you showing me a verse that addresses angels’ beginning? Talk about personally attacks? "Angel's beginning's" it is your'e question and I have no answer for it from God's Word; but there are three verses which I posted that do show us that Satan beginning’s was a liar and a murderer.How about you addressing these verses and rightly dividing them instead of spinning them and ignoring them.You said” I hate to burst your bubble but this is Cain being spoken of here the first murder not Satan”Talk about spin and not rightly dividing the truth...there is no reference to Cain in John 8 let alone John 8:44 any more then there is any reference to Satan or Lucifer in Ezekiel. Also there is no reference to Lucifer in any other book in the Bible except Is 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!------13 For thou hast said in thine heart (mind) I will ascend into heaven, ---- 14 I will belike the most High, 15 yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit, -----16----Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms------ Bible is the only version that uses the word Lucifer. It is not even a Hebrew word. Talk about some one being “Biblical illiterate in you’re replies” seeing you now have turned from debate to personal attacks.You say I answer no question; you are the one who totally ignored all my last post and so I reposted them and you still have not addressed most of my postings.You are not rightly dividing the truth; you are not even looking what God’s Word is saying. You have a preconceived bias and you are trying to fit all your preconceived misinterpretation into this warns out wine skin and it bust. SATAN'S ORIGIN and character of DARKNESS was spoken of by Jesus not my opinion as all you seem to depend on, this should be enough to settle the querying minds of all, that he was never a shining angel of light. He made it clear that he was a murderer from THE BEGINNING and concluded His statement by saying, "...And in the truth HE HAS NOT STOOD." (Jn. 8:44; Diaglott, Westcott & Hort, and Marshall's Interlinear Grk/Eng N.T.). If he has NEVER STOOD IN THE LIGHT OF THE TRUTH, so if he has never stood fo the light of the truth how can Satan be a light bearer?????? Also, if he "...HAS BEEN SINNING FROM THE BEGINNING," as John recorded (I Jn. 3:8, Diaglott), there is no honest way we can say Satan was ever a glorious, shining, angel of light with the name of Lucifer. If this be true, how then, can Isa. 14:12 be speaking of Satan? It is not. Lucifer is not eve a Hebrew word.When God speaks of "the beginning" He is speaking of the ORIGINATING POINT of the subject in question (not the beginning of the Bible as you tried to insert with no scriptural backing. It is written of Jesus when He had turned water into wine, "THIS BEGINNING of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth His glory; and His disciples believed on Him" (Jn. 2:11). This means, simply, that the miraculous aspect of the ministry of Jesus Christ had as its originating point this miracle of the water turned into wine. He had performed no miracles before this time, but from this day forth many more were to follow. This, so far as His miracles were concerned, was "the beginning." Thus we may clearly see that if something is manifested in a certain form "from the beginning" that means that from the time it was first formed, established, and came into being it has been in that condition.You said...."I never said when Lucifer rebelled and fell and became Satan only that from the beginning of mans story/pur Bible Satan was already rebelling"Please let us rightly divide???? Wow where did you find this information in God' s Word; only that from the beginning of mans story"? Please rightly divide you’re statement here; in other words chapter and verse. The Bible never says anything about “Satan only that from the beginning of mans story /pure Bible Satan was already rebelling"?Were starting to break thought those preexisting religious hard walls of your'es; Satan was not already rebelling he was always a liar, a murderer from his beginning. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy.Nothing about rebelling in these verses, or all ready rebelling.Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the was not all ready rebBEGINNING and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. John writes in 1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..

Benoni

Brother Mike what did she say?

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Brother, I can not agree with you on this one. I meant to say I agree with everything she posted. She breaks it down correctly. I know you don't think she did, and I understand you don't like my take on things concerning this matter, but don't fret about it.The fact is you can't see why we are not looking at the truth of what you are posting. Why can't we see the TRUTH!!! It's frustrating, I know. We feel the same way about you.However, there must come a time when you wipe the dust off your feet and go on. Both sides accuse the other of taking scripture out of context. Both sides are using scripture though. What more can be said???? We have a dead horse here, and we are all beating the thing silly. It's time to move on, and meet up in another thread. Let's put a fork in it.Be blessed!!! Jesus Is Lord.

What has she broke down correctly?Show me one thing please?Yes she uses scripture and adds here assumptions and ignores scriptures that go angainst her assumptions. The Devil has only one beginning and she keeps trying to prove he has a two. I do not believe in your'e so called tradition; it is contrary to Scripture and based on lies and assumptions not God's Word. She will not even address my point; and neither will you. If I am wrong show me; so far all I get is HOT AIR.

Did you read my post about the fact our horse died on us?

The Devil has only one beginning and she keeps trying to prove he has a two.

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See what its all about. You say the devil was created for one purpose. To be God's Battle Axe. He never was created to be good.We say that the devil was created good until sin was found in him. Many scriptures have been given on both sides. Showing you to be WRONG does not help, because you twist scripture around to prove you point. You are not going to admit your wrong, because you feel your right.If you show us to be Wrong, then we twist scripture around to prove our point, Your not going to convince us. We both feel we are using scripture correctly, so the horse has died and no reason to beat it any longer.Now I think the thread was about King Neb being a monster or something. I have long forgotten.Be blessed!!!Jesus Is Lord.

Benoni listen to Mike your verses prove nothing I never said there was two beginnings the way you say Its your lack to get Gods entire plan that you cant understand it ....Your verses do not disprove anything I said they go ...to other whole subject which I dont think you will get. And have no intention off getting into with you Its completly off topic in a whole other direction The fact that Isa. says God created the waster ... So what he did create Satan ...He just created Lucifer perfect because of his sin he fell God is all knowing you dont think he knew this was going to happen of course he did he still created him perfect and it was his own choice to let his pride take him over it still doesnt change anything I said ... Do you think there was no God no Angels before this earth age began ...Im not saying Satan had two beginning I am saying he was created perfect fell before this earth age even began ..You are reading your own meaning into the verse ..He was from the begining.... begining of what ??? Your assuming this means Satans begining Thats a wrong assumption on your part and not written ... God says he was created perfect ....So that disproves your assumption the begining is not refering to Satans creation... begining of this earth age that is the begining he is refering to ... Now I have no doubt you will disagree .. But you are wrong on this whole subject Same person he was perfect he fell ... Then On the first day God said there let there be light Satan existed then None of these verses you keep giving are rightly applied or change what I said its your lack to see Gods plan ... because your own belief wont let you see ... nothing we can say will change your mind .. But these verse cause no contradiction do not change one iota of what I said do not disprove the scripture ...Its your understanding that causes you to wrongly think they do....

Wrong... No one here at least has shown anyone scriptures that prove the devil was created good and he was created a murderer, a waster a liar later; there is no good in him from his beginning; this is just church doctrine and is not Biblical or you would be posting scripture to back up this false claim. Show me how I am twisting one scripture as you falsely claim. Show me? If anything I am quoting God’s Word and standing on what it says not taking some long sacred held church doctrine and hanging on to for tradition sake. Can you admit you are wrong? Why should I admit I am wrong; I am the one quoting God’s Word; you’re the one quoting church dogma? Show me using God’s Word not some assumption and I will agree with you; I have asked you to do the same and all I get is more verse based on assumptions. Show me one verse not based on assumption to defend you’re belief? This horse is not dead; either Satan was created by God as a liar, murderer or he was an Arch Angel… God’s Word declares it not men’s religious bias assumptions. [quote name='Brother Mike;71935]Did you read my post about the fact our horse died on us?See what its all about. You say the devil was created for one purpose. To be God's Battle Axe. He never was created to be good.We say that the devil was created good until sin was found in him. Many scriptures have been given on both sides. Showing you to be WRONG does not help' date=' because you twist scripture around to prove you point. You are not going to admit your wrong, because you feel your right.If you show us to be Wrong, then we twist scripture around to prove our point, Your not going to convince us. We both feel we are using scripture correctly, so the horse has died and no reason to beat it any longer.Now I think the thread was about King Neb being a monster or something. I have long forgotten.Be blessed!!!Jesus Is Lord.[/QUOTE']