Christ came to save Sinners !

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

savedbygrace57

New Member
Nov 15, 2007
508
0
0
66
1 tim 1: 15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. You know, Paul did not always believe he was a filthy sinner, lets look at how He thought prior to His conversion phil 3: 4Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Paul by nature did not count himself a sinner then, though he was, but he was not sensible of it.. What regeneration does, it gives sinners a sensibility of their sinnership, and thats whom Jesus christ calls to himself..Matt 9: 13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but [sensible] sinners to repentance. In the parable of the publican and the pharisee in lk 18: 9And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. What Jesus is pointing out here in this passage and story, is that the pharisee did not consider himself a sinner [even though he was] as the publican did vs 13 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. Now it was not that the pharisee wasnt a terrible sinner, but he had not been made sensible of his sinnership.. So Jesus under normal circumstances did not come to call folk like him, [ righteous in their own mind] but folk like the publican, who was consious of his sinnersship.. What does Jesus mean by not coming to call the righteous ? First of all, this is a clear testimony from Jesus mouth that He did not come to call all without exception..For he didnt come to call them whom were left to think they were righteous in themselves, namely the pharisees, like the one in the story lk 18: 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And believe it or not, this is the natural mindset of all religous sinners, they feel themselves righteous before God, because of the hedious sins they dont committ vs 11 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. And secondly, because of the good and acceptable religous activities they do perform on a regular vs 12 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. Paul himself was that type of religous sinner, righteous sinner before God converted him and gave him to see his sinnership..This is what he meant in rom 7: 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. Paul thought he was righteous before God when he was religous, but God applied the spiritual application of the law to him in His regeneration and was then given to see his sinnership..sin revived and he died..realized his sinnership.. So again, under normal circumstances, Jesus did not come to call the deluded self righteous sinner, but sinners [sensible ones] to repentance.. A sensible sinner is one of the mindset of the publican lk 18: 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. Thats why Jesus says in matt 11: 28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. This call of Jesus was to sensible sinners, of which for the most part, the pharisees of Jesus day did not consider themselves to be i.e Jn 5: 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. Thats because they were not sensible sinners.. and matt 3: 5Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, 6And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. [sensible sinners] but vs 7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: [none sensible sinners] And finally, what is it the cause one to differ, that is, how is one a sensible sinner and the other not ? Its by the choice of God..it is God alone that makes the one to differ in how they see themselves, for its the work of the Holy Ghost to show effectually the elect world their sinnership, hence leading them to Jesus christ, He that came into the world to save sinners [made sensible ones]..of whom I am chief
 

gumby

New Member
May 29, 2009
695
30
0
37
Very well thought out my freind, we have to humble and exault ourself before the lord and always be concious not to go on an ego trip :)
 

bigdummy

New Member
Feb 1, 2008
100
3
0
98
MickinEngland;71475 said:
Are we allowed to be proud we're Christians?
I think that requires some thought Mick as Jesus said no one comes to me unless the father calls them, so when you consider that God does all the initial work for us to become Christians, I know we can be very thankful and appreciative but proud ...I don't know, from what I read God's not to big on pride. HEEEELP how do I delete a duel post
 

bigdummy

New Member
Feb 1, 2008
100
3
0
98
MickinEngland;71475 said:
Are we allowed to be proud we're Christians?
Well I have to think on that one, Jesus said that no one could come to him unless the father called them that being the case God does all the initial work for us to become Christians, That being the case I can see where we can be very thankful and appreciative , but proud, I don't know from what I read God's not to big on pride...Ray
 

Martin W.

Active Member
Jan 16, 2009
817
37
28
70
Winnipeg Canada
savedbygrace57;71471] And believe it or not said:
I cut out most of your post and quoted the heart of your message and you are correct with those few words you have written.I admire any Christian who can use his own words to make a profound and true statement. Well done.Many thanksMartin W.