Preaching the Gospel !

Rom 1 : 16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. I am going to get straight to the point, and that is, there is simply no gospel being preached without preaching the doctrine of election [election of grace], and the fact that the Gospel begins in God [rom 1:1] as the Gospel of God, As it proceeds from the Eternal Counsels of God as its root and foundation, for this evident from pauls writings here 2 tim 1: 8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: 11Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. Also titus 1: 1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour; This Gospel of God elucidates How that God in Eternity Past, chooses a Special Beloved People, to Be His Portion, His Inheritance, to whom He prized and Valued above all others.. Deut 32: 9For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance. Deut 7: 6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Paul writes on the Saints being Gods Inheritance..eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, [not the children of the devil] God having chosen them and gave them to the Son of His Love for their personal safe keeping and preservation..jn 17: 2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. [the disciples, save judas, represented all them given to Jesus christ] Now God the Father, decreeing to make manifest this Great Love, He has for His Son, and His chosen in Him and with Him, decree their awful fall in Adam, of which He covenanted with His Son for their redcovery, and redemption, through His blood [ eph 1:7].. And in line with this purpose, God also decreed for some of mankind to come into this world, also having a terrible fall in their Father the devil, but in order to Show His High Sovereignty in dispensing His salvation blessings, God purposed not to have mercy on that portion of mankind, Hence, distinctly making Manifest His Special Love for His chosen Inheritance.. Mich 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage [inheritance]? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy. This must be preached in the Gospel of Christ, cannot be ashamed of..__________________

In continuing with the gospel, and some of its vital doctrinal truthes that must be proclaimed, God through the blood of Jesus christ had determined to bestow upon His chosen people, the elect, Faith and Repentance with the remission of Sins..Those preaching a false gospel, have taken what God has promised to give and bestow upon His children, i.e Faith and Repentance and have turned them into conditions of or for salvation, duties that one must perform to get saved..but this is a perversion of the truth of the gospel..We see here that repentance and faith are freely bestowed upon a certain definite people:zech 12:10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,[particular people] the spirit of grace and of supplications:[repentance] and they shall look [believe in /Faith] upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn [repentance] for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.This picture is what occured specifically on the day of pentecost in acts 2..And is the grand example of what occurs with all of Gods elect some time during their journey on earth..The thief on the cross experienced it in the very twilight of his life..So instead of preaching repentance and faith as conditions for salvation [false gospel] they should as peter did, be preaching that God through Jesus their Saviour gives [not offers] repentance and remission of Sins to the elect, the Israel of God..acts 5:30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.__________________

The elect have Two Heads, The Lord Jesus christ, and Adam..of course Jesus christ is their head before Adam is, for in all things He [ Jesus christ] has the preeminence..col 1 18 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. And as there is a distinction in the Two Heads, One Earthly and One Heavenly, so there is a difference in the Lives they bring forth.. Remember as there was life [natural] of men in Adam, so likewise there was life of men in Jesus christ jn 1: 4In him was life [Spiritual]; and the life was the light [spiritual] of men. NOTE: This verse is not referring to natural life or light, the elect have that in adam.. As the Head of the seed, adam had all the natural lives of the elect in Him, [gen 1:26] and as the Head of the seed, Jesus had all the Spiritual lives of the elect in Him.. The unions of each head to their seed are different, one began in time [adam] and is earthy as in 1 cor 15: 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. There is no uncertainty or chance here, but all working to Gods eternal purpose..as the elect had a time set in the purpose of God to bare the image of their earthly head, so likwise He has a set purpose and time for each of them to bare image of their heavenly head.. ecc 3: To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2A time to be born [naturally and spiritually], and a time to die; The other union [spiritual] began before time began and will last throughout Eternity.. The elect by nature in their head adam are born under the Law, and by nature deserving of wrath as others [non elect] and we act as they do to, if not even worse in some cases.. But in our head Jesus christ, The Only begotten of the Father, was setup, and in Him the elect have always been under the everlasting covenant, ordained in all things [both spiritual and physical] and sure.. Our foreunion [Head] to adam is made manifest when we [the elect] are born of the flesh, but our foreunion [Head] to Jesus christ is made manifest by our NewBirth of the Spirit.. This why Jesus said to nicademus, unless a man is born again of the Spirit, he shall not see or enter the kingdom of God, because that is what makes manifest their eternal union and heirship with Jesus christ..

Heb 2: 11For both he [Jesus christ] that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, This is a very important Gospel Truth that the antichrist ministers and followers neglect.. And thats the Eternal Union and Oneness of Jesus christ and His elect.. They are all of one..this truth is seen also in romans 8: 28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Jesus himself being a Son vs 29, then He and the [many brethern] must have been born of the same seed, the Same parentage, [ Pre Creation] and be Sons together..hence All of One [ heb 2 11] Jesus christ was the only Begotten and Firstborn of the Father, with a [spiritual] seed or offspring or posterity in Him.. Thats why Jesus told mary this: Jn 20: 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. You see, mary and the other disciples as well as future believers in Him , He is their Firstborn brother and all of One Father and Seed.. Jesus christ acknowledges the Many Sons as His Brethern and His children spiritually, isa 9: 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. He is the everlasting Father of the elect only in a spiritual sense as we were His seed and one with Him..He was a spiritual proginator because we are born again of Him as the Word of God..1 pet 1: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. He is the incorruptible seed of which the elect recieve their spiritual lives from.. Just as we recieved our physical lives from our natural head adam, but thats corruptible seed, but He incorruptible seed.. Just as the elect had a real union with adam, that is made manifest by the coming forth of our physical lives of corruption, so likewise the elect had a real union with Jesus christ that is made manifest by the bringing forth of our spiritual lives of incorruption.. So Jesus christ and his brethern are all of one..

heb 2: 11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, This oneness of the elect of God and the Lord Jesus christ, all being of one seed, is foundational as to why believers have been Joint Heirs with Jesus christ per rom 8: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. You see, Jesus christ was Heir of the World before it was created, in fact it was created or made by Him and for Him.. 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; The world was made by him that had been appointed Heir of all things..and hence, this is the elects joint heirship with Jesus christ..remember paul said to the corinths in 1 cor 3: 21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; 22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's. Paul is referring to heb 1 2 here in 1 cor 3.. Again all things were made by Him [the Heir] and for Him per col 1: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Jesus christ was the Heir of the world [all things] and because the elect were of one with Him [ heb 2 11] and His brethern / children=seed they too Joint heirs with Jesus christ.. This had nothing to do with mans freewill choice, water baptism and all of that false teaching going on these days, not even mans faith caused any of this, but this truth is grounded in eternal election in Christ before the world began, as being of His seed.. This passage gal 3: 16- 29 Identifys Jesus christ and subsequent believers as the One Seed of abraham..not seeds as in many, but seed, which is Christ.. Simply this the single seed christ, stands for the plural members of that one seed.. gal 3: 16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Christ is made up of many members 1 cor 12: 12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. This is a very important truth, the eternal union of the elect with their head and heir of the world Jesus christ.. It is to the Heirs, [Joint heirs] that salvation is promised and communicated to heb 1: 14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? on hebrews 1 14 John Gill writes: "Sent forth to minister for them who shall be the heirs of salvation?the persons they minister to, and for, are those, who shall be the heirs of salvation; that is, of eternal glory, which will be possessed by the saints, as an inheritance: hence it belongs to children, being bequeathed to them by their Father, and comes to them through the death of Christ, of which the Spirit is the earnest; and this shows that it is not of works, and that it is of an eternal duration, and takes in all kind of happiness: and of this the saints are heirs now; and so the Ethiopic version renders it, "who are heirs of salvation"; nor should it be rendered, "who shall be heirs", but rather, "who shall inherit salvation"; for this character respects not their heirship, but their actual inheriting of salvation:" For the elect are Heirs of salvation even when born sinners by nature..because of their eternal union with Jesus christ, being his seed..

epis says:

I am trying to get a handle on exactly what your point is here.

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I am illustrating how that Eternal Union with Jesus christ was a Gospel theme in the apostles preaching and teaching..

could you summarize what it is you are trying to say...?

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So reread the Thread with that in mind..

Matt 24: 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. I know how the antichrist ministers and followers have corrupted this text to say it applies to the Jews and some future kingdom.. But thats not true, its the same Gospel of Jesus christ that Paul preached and any other God called preacher of God preached. But I will say this, Spiritually, this Gospel is for the Jews,[ rom 2 :28,29] and for those who are part of a Kingdom [ jn 18:36]. The Gospel of the Kingdom is for those who have been birthed into the kingdom of God by the Holy Ghost Jn 3: 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. also col 1: 12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet [By New Birth] to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: Its only then can a person come to understand the Gospel of the kingdom, after having been birthed into or translated into the Kingdom of God and or of His Dear Son..this is accomplished by the Holy Ghost.. Matt 13: 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you[disciples] to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. BTW, this above scripture proves that the disciples had been born again into the kingdom of God already, for Jesus christ to make this statement to them.. We must not forget that paul says that the gospel is a mystery message, paul says this in more than one way and place..1 cor 2: 2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Did you catch this ? Please notice how paul is equating preaching Jesus christ in vs 2 , with speaking the wisdom of God in a mystery, hidden wisdom in vs 7 ! Also this wisdom of the Gospel was ordained before the world for our [ the whole election of grace] glory.. The word ordained is the greek word: proorizō which means:1) to predetermine, decide beforehand2) in the NT of God decreeing from eternity3) to foreordain, appoint beforehand This wisdom [Gospel of Jesus christ] is hidden from the wise and prudent of the world per matt 11: 25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. Revealed unto babes..perhaps newborn babes as in 1 pet 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: or the little children given him of the Father as in heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. The word children here is paidion and means: young child, a little boy, a little girla) infantsB) children, little onesc) an infant1) of a (male) child just recently born So that would refer to being born into the Kingdom jn 3 3.. Back to 1 cor 2 7 where the Gospel of christ is called wisdom, hidden wisdom, this synchronizes with Jesus christ being the wisdom of God 1 cor 1: 24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. cp prov 8:22ff.. The point here however is that Preaching christ and him crucified is a Gospel kingdom Mystery, not for the natural man at all.. Paul says this in eph 6: 19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, cp 1 cor 2: 7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Teaching and preaching, and making known the mysterious complex person of Jesus christ 1 tim 3: 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. He as the GodMan Mediator, His Pre exisitence as the head of His body the church as in col 1: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; The head of the church, those chosen in Him before the foundation of the world, the Mystery of who His church is, comprised of both jew and gentile, the spiritual seed of abraham..these gospel kingdom topics are wrote about prominently in eph 2 , 3 and rom 11.. All of this comprises the Gospel that the apostles preached and this was nothing short of the Gospel of the kingdom of God, to be understood by a Kingdom People..Matt 13: 19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not [not born again into the Kingdom], then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 23But he that received seed into the good ground [Kingdom ground] is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Eternal Union"...? This is not a biblical phrase so far as I can tell...

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Theres a lot of things you dont know about the bible..

will not be possible to discuses this with savedbygrace 57. In one thread he called Long life a curse from God. http://www.christianityboard.com/sho...2010#post72010

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It is when ones destiny is hell..the longer you live the sins you committ to be punished for..