Does God love those He burns in Hell "forever and ever"? Did God love those when He drowned everyone on Earth but 8 "making them an example"?
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Stumpmaster
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The problem wasn't with God. In His love and kindness He has always offered mercy to those who put their faith in Him. If you don't want God's Judgment upon you don't go against His Will. If God didn't punish the wicked He would not be worth worshipping and submitting to, and certainly would not be someone to have faith in.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; (4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 2:20-23 Notwithstanding I have a few things against you, because you suffer that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. (21) And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. (22) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. (23) And I will kill her children with death; and all the ekklesias shall know that I am he which searches the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
So, you're saying God loves those who will burn in Hell forever and ever, and He loved all He drowned on Earth? What does He do to those He hates?
Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.
Stumpmaster
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So are you going to repent or take your chances? Best you meditate on these Scriptures, kcnalp.
Pro 3:11-12 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: (12) For whom the LORD loves he corrects; even as a father the son in whom he delights.
Heb 12:3-11 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest you be wearied and faint in your minds. (4) You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. (5) And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks unto you as unto children, My son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked of him: (6) For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives. (7) If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not? (8) But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons. (9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? (10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. (11) Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Rev 3:19-22 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. (20) Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (21) To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (22) He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the ekklesias.
If you can't eat donuts you definitely have a cross to bear. I think they come second only to chocolate. In my bible, it says God so loved the world he invented chocolate.
I remember back in my renewal church days in the UK, where anyone could do anything in the meeting if so led. A lady started up a simple chorus "Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus from my heart, Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus from my heart. It was the first time we had sung it. An hour later we stopped singing it. The meeting ended up in high heaven.
Stan B
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I don't understand the problem. I have been diabetic for 20 years, and have never been restricted in any way as to what I eat or the amount I eat.
If you can't eat donuts, then you are significantly mismanaging your condition.
@marksman Sounds a bit like Acts 2.42...
Bingo! I have based my thinking on that very passage for one simple reason...IT WORKS!!
My Bible says that HE will build HIS church. That is the one I am excited about.
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That sort of thing was one of the reasons why I left my last Charismatic church in 1978. But I became involved in a Spirit-filled prophetic ministry in Auckland run by a pastor whom I trusted and respected. And I found quite a different experience.
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Here is something to consider. When we sing to the Lord, we do so with calmness; with a steady tempo.
James 5:13
Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
Ephesians 5:19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Acts 16:25
And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
Matthew 26:30
And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
The challenge comes when we use instruments of music that increase the tempo (or the beats per minute). This will stimulate your senses and increase your heart beat rate and blood flow. Take rock music for example, or workout music, these two are opposite to classical music. Although I do not oppose modern Christian music, I do think some modern musical instruments do arouse and stimulate your mind and spirit. The danger becomes when one is primarily motivated or driven by sound/beats/lights/decibels/visuals, etc. more than the main purpose of worshiping God. Again, to each his own. I personally do enjoy some modern Christian songs, but I prefer a cappella. And to be fair, the bible does speak of musical instruments for worshiping, take for example the following verses:
Psalms 150:4
“Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.”
Psalm 94:4-6
“Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.”
“Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.”
“With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.”
Psalms 98:6
“With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.”
-May the Lord bless you all.
James 5:13
Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
Ephesians 5:19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Acts 16:25
And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
Matthew 26:30
And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
The challenge comes when we use instruments of music that increase the tempo (or the beats per minute). This will stimulate your senses and increase your heart beat rate and blood flow. Take rock music for example, or workout music, these two are opposite to classical music. Although I do not oppose modern Christian music, I do think some modern musical instruments do arouse and stimulate your mind and spirit. The danger becomes when one is primarily motivated or driven by sound/beats/lights/decibels/visuals, etc. more than the main purpose of worshiping God. Again, to each his own. I personally do enjoy some modern Christian songs, but I prefer a cappella. And to be fair, the bible does speak of musical instruments for worshiping, take for example the following verses:
Psalms 150:4
“Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.”
Psalm 94:4-6
“Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.”
“Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.”
“With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.”
Psalms 98:6
“With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.”
-May the Lord bless you all.
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