God is in control: A Word from the Lord to those who will receive
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lol....This question is on the brink of being rhetorical....but let me give you my answer...in Matthew 4:5
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
How did Satan take Jesus up to the holy city and set Him on a pinnacle of the temple?...if it wasn't in the physical then it had to be in the spirit....correct?
Waiting on him
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I didn't phrase that question very well did I....it was an open-end question....meaning it is not a yes or no question but rather what is your thoughts kind of question.
Waiting on him
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Not sure what you are seeking here....but I prayed and asked the Holy Spirit and this is what He told me to share...
Romans 8:14-39
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8:14-39
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Waiting on him
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You are correct. You don’t know anything about anything spiritually, let alone the sacrificing of a lamb for the atoning of the Jews trespass (sin).
Leviticus 14:19-21 reads:
19) “And the priest shall offer the sin offering, and make an atonement for him that is to be cleansed from his uncleanness; and afterward he shall kill the burnt offering:
20) And the priest shall offer the burnt offering and the meat offering upon the altar: and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and he shall be clean.
21) And if he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved, to make an atonement for him…”
The Bible is replete with like verses as above but I guess you got the gist right?
Do you also see Jesus as the High Priest who offered up Himself for the atoning for sin/s?
To God Be The Glory
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Never heard that before ..........also, how does that alter what was said within the revelation !?Rita
You do realize that that was for the cleansing of the uncleanness. It was not for the forgiveness of sin. People had to repent to be forgiven; and when they did that, they still remained unclean. The sacrifice of the animal was to change that.
Jesus as the Lamb of God took away the "sin of the world." Not our individual sins. The sin of the world -- the curse put on the earth when Adam fell -- the curse of death.
Definitely in the spiritual. It's also said the devil took him up to the top of a mountain where all the kingdoms of the world could be seen. I feel sure that was not a physical mountain. What physical mountain could that possibly be?
Note too that Jesus is traveling outside of his physical body. He is able to move like the wind. Compare that with what he tells Nicodemus about moving like the wind.
quietthinker
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I'd be very careful here Giuliano. The statement 'sin of the world' can be plural meaning the sins of people…. The sin of Adam, the representative of all people.
The curse (death) was a result of the sin…..the curse was not the sin itself.
Oh how easy it is to ratchet the intent of the words of scripture to a place never intended. This ratcheting was practised by the teachers of the law (lawyers) in Jesus' day…..it was practiced by the medieval church….it is practised by lawyers today.
History has taught us that this ratcheting process ultimately results in oppression in its many forms.
quietthinker
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Jesus had fasted 40 days…..he was emaciated to the extreme (let that register)…..there was no intention of aiding himself supernaturally; if there was he would have done it before emaciation.
In this physically weakened state these temptation were laid on him. Do we think they were a piece of cake for Jesus to resist? I can assure you, if you hadn't eaten in six weeks and turning stones into bread was a real possibility as it was for Jesus, you'd be near sweating blood to resist.
Even in his weakened state Jesus relied on the Words of God to fight off his tempter …..we have the same privilege when it comes to temptation…..and afterwards the angels came and ministered to him; they strengthened him because these temptations were so terrible.
In regard to mountains, there were several in Israel. As to whether this was literal or no is not something I would debate….doing so would be a smokescreen to miss the gravity of the record intended for us to reflect on and learn from.
If these temptations are only seen as an interesting story and something to debate the technicalities, we miss their point.
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The only thing I would like to suggest is that everything Jesus went through was an example to us. It is how we can claim to be the righteousness of God through Christ because He overcame temptation
Satan doesn't appear to us in a physical form but tempts us through the weakness of our flesh...and our pride. I can't say for sure, but if I was goaded by saying "if" you are really the Son of God then prove it....well I probably would do something to prove it....that's my weak mentality....but Christ resisted Satan in 3 areas of temptation...flesh, mind and spirit...flesh: turn the stones into bread,... mind: challenging His faith in God's Word, ....spirit: to worship God's enemy.
And that is how we are also tempted...body, mind and spirit.
So, at the beginning of this story it says Jesus was led of the Spirit (the Holy Spirit led Him to the desert to be tempted)
I believe Jesus was in the flesh through all of the fasting and prayer but was led of the spirit (Satan) to specific areas to tempt Him.
quietthinker
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Any rope will hold until it is tested. Under load its integrity or lack of it is manifest. In Eden our parents were tested…no doubt other worlds were tested also. The angels were tested; a third failed, how? through the means of deception.
Scripture tells us that Jesus was the second Adam….a new representative. Will he fail or will he pull through when the pressure is on? …..and the pressure was put on….immensely.
From the outset the little family, stressed…...You mean Mary's pregnant and she's a virgin?, yeahhhh, pull the other one!
His birth, the cause of genocide….babies that five minutes earlier were nursing at their mothers breast or sleeping peacefully; hundreds, maybe thousands; their blood now staining cloth and floor and pavement; distraught mothers screaming.
A dream in the night; take your wife who had just given birth with no one to tend to the young mother except Joseph….no obstetrician, thats certain, and run for it…..to a foreign land, not in a limousine but on a donkey with a new born….imagine it….in the night!
Ohhh, and the whispers, the snickers and who knows what else back in Nazareth because of his 'dubious' parentage.
It goes on….'foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head!'….. Sleeping in the fields or the woods, on the outskirts, because going into town meant he was an easy a target for those thirsting for his blood…..a warm bed and a good meal missed out on again….most times on the run to stay one step ahead of his pursuers. Ohhhh yes, he was tested, tested, tested. Satan left no stone unturned to bring undone the humbled Prince of Heaven……and finally in the garden…..sweating drops of blood praying again and again that this cup might be taken from him…..betrayed and abandoned by those he deemed his friends…….and it was for me that he bore this cross. I can barely restrain the tears as I think about it fumbling with a tissue.
As I allow my mind to take in his life, his death it shifts something in me……as I read of the story of his few short years….straight as an arrow and determined as a warrior, straining at gnats and swallowing camels appears in its true light and I am humbled.
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I think it would be in the plural if it was meant to be in the plural.
Think about it: How could the world sin? People sin. The world doesn't.
What about this?
Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Do you not understand that our own sins and the sin of Adam produces evil in the world? No matter what we do, we are powerless to remove it.
I don't know I read that part literally either. My guess is that physically he was walking around with his disciples -- while "fasting" spiritually for forty days. We read different accounts of it: Some are spiritual, one is more literal. What happened immediately after the baptism?
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
Compare that to what John tells us:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
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2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
There is no mountain anywhere in the physical world from which you can see all the kingdoms of the world. The story is true, but it is about spiritual events and a spiritual mountain. Let us not be naive.
quietthinker
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There is no mountain anywhere in the physical world from which you can see all the kingdoms of the world. The story is true, but it is about spiritual events and a spiritual mountain. Let us not be naive.[/QUOTE]
Let's not underestimate the power of Satan.
Let's not underestimate the power of Satan.
Waiting on him
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Revelation 1:1 KJV
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Waiting on him
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James 1:14 KJV
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
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