Are You of Israel?

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Are you of Israel?

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Heart2Soul

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(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.
I understand, it's just to make it an issue of it when we are all of His children by adoption....sometimes I get irritated with certain members who create strife rather than Godliness in sharing His Word. So my response was out of frustration as to why bring so much strife...just be humble.
 
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I understand, it's just to make it an issue of it when we are all of His children by adoption....sometimes I get irritated with certain members who create strife rather than Godliness in sharing His Word. So my response was out of frustration as to why bring so much strife...just be humble.

The point is not to bring strife; but to bring unity. If we understand who we are; be won't behave the way that we have before we knew.
 

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I understand, it's just to make it an issue of it when we are all of His children by adoption....sometimes I get irritated with certain members who create strife rather than Godliness in sharing His Word. So my response was out of frustration as to why bring so much strife...just be humble.
Well, actually H2S, I believe that HARK is convinced that a new Covenant has not been established, in the way that the Author of Hebrews is trying to convey. I believe that HARK is attempting to correct what he believes to be a false doctrine, that Israel and the Gentiles are one under Christ.
If I'm correct about my views on HARK, this OP could be construed as heresy vs orthodoxy?
 
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Well, actually H2S, I believe that HARK is convinced that a new Covenant has not been established, in the way that the Author of Hebrews is trying to convey.

And what way would that be?

I believe that HARK is attempting to correct what he believes to be a false doctrine,

You are correct.

that Israel and the Gentiles are one under Christ.

Where does this word gentile come from?


(CLV) Isa 42:1
Behold, My Servant! I am upholding Him; My Chosen One Whom My soul holds dear! I have bestowed My spirit upon Him, And He shall bring forth right judgment to the nations.



masculine noun
  1. nation, people
    1. nation, people
      1. usually of non-Hebrew people

      2. of descendants of Abraham

      3. of Israel
    2. of swarm of locusts, other animals (fig.)

      proper masculine noun
    3. Goyim? = "nations"
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
גּוֹי gôwy, go'-ee; rarely (shortened) גֹּי gôy; apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence, a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:—Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

YHWH calls his people to come out.

If I'm correct about my views on HARK, this OP could be construed as heresy vs orthodoxy?

How so? Are you suggesting that it's heresy to suggest that YHWH won't allow Pagan lawlessness before his throne?
 
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And what way would that be?
That the Law with all its rituals and regulations was never sufficient to absolve one from their sins, and needed to be annulled in order to allow for a greater Covenant, that of faith. And with the abrogation of the Law, comes the removal of hatred and division between Jew & Gentile. (Ephesians 2:11-16)

Where does this word gentile come from?
For our purposes, it means non-Israelite.

How so? Are you suggesting that it's heresy to suggest that YHWH won't allow Pagan lawlessness before his throne?
No, I was merely alluding to my first point, that your thread was meant to correct what you considered to be unorthodoxy.
Maybe I misunderstood H2S' comment, but it sounded like she thought that your OP was just a vent. I said no, it's more important than that, it's about heresy vs orthodoxy, like the majority of OPs on these forums (I may have been wrong about her comment).
 

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If you are not of Israel; you are not in covenant with YHWH.


(CLV) Hb 8:8
For, blaming them, He is saying, "Lo! the days are coming," the Lord is saying, "And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant,

Notice that it doesn't say one covenant for Jews and another for Pagans. There is only one covenant with Israel, in Yahshua. Let's read on:


(CLV) Hb 8:9
Not in accord with the covenant which I make with their fathers In the day of My taking hold of their hand To be leading them out of the land of Egypt, Seeing that they do not remain in My covenant, And I neglect them," the Lord is saying,

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

If you are not of Israel Yahshua wasn't commissioned for you.


(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

OH! OH! But WE'RE grafted IN! Grafted into what?

(CLV) Ro 11:17
Now if some of the boughs are broken out, yet you, being a wild olive, are grafted among them, and became joint participant of the root and fatness of the olive,

What is this olive tree?


(CLV) Jer 11:16
A flourishing olive tree, lovely with shapely fruit, Yahweh had called your name; But with the sound of a great din, He will ravage its leaves with fire, And its branches will be smashed.

(CLV) Jer 11:17
Yahweh of hosts Who planted you has decreed evil against you owing to the evil of the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which they have done for themselves to provoke Me to vexation by fuming incense to Baal.
I have a big tattoo on my chest of the Star of David, a menorah and the word "Israel" written in Hebrew. Does that make me "in Israel"?
 

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Rom 9:7, Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8, That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Gal 4:28, Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
 

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I have a big tattoo on my chest of the Star of David, a menorah and the word "Israel" written in Hebrew. Does that make me "in Israel"?
It's actually the star of your god Remphan, Acts of the Apostles 7:43.
 

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The Star of David is a pagan symbol? I didn't know King David was a pagan!
I suppose that it's possible that the star of David is not the star of Remphan; but I'm unaware of any other star in Jewish history that qualifies as a possibility for being that particular memo.
 

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I suppose that it's possible that the star of David is not the star of Remphan; but I'm unaware of any other star in Jewish history that qualifies as a possibility for being that particular memo.
The Star of David is the national symbol of the state of Israel - that's good enough for me. I don't care about any mendacious, anti-Semitic fairy tales about pagan symbols.

The snake is a symbol of the devil, yet Moses held up an image of a snake to cure the people.