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According To The Scriptures Yashu'a Only The Son Of God John 3 ; 16 , Not Yahuwa Himself .savedbygrace57;72717 said:
[quote name='ZakarEl;72723]According To The Scriptures Yashu'a Only The Son Of God John 3 ; 16 ' date=' Not Yahuwa Himself .[/QUOTE']How about John 1:1? and a couple other scriptures?John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.John 14:8 - Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.John 14:9 - Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?In short it is saying God is not just limited to flesh only. I find he has many roles rather than Three People!
Let's Try This Ok How Can Some One Be With God And Be God Himself ? Or How Can Some One Be Sitting On The Right Hand Side Of God And Be God Himself . I Can Go On Explaing The Above Verses . But Let See What The Bible Say About Yashu'a Being The Son Of God Or God Himself . Shall We . If you ask any Christian who are these Verse pertaining to they would Answer ( WithOut A Doubt In Their Minds ) . that these Verse are Speaking of The Messiah Yashua , Also Take A LQQk At The Many Titles Which Are Attributed To Him . < Biblical Names Attributed To The Messiah Yashua >The seed of woman < Genesis 3 ; 15 > The caption of Savation < Job 5 ; 13 - 14 > Wonderful < Isaiah 9 ; 6 ; Judge 13 ; 8 > I am that I am < Ex odus 3 ; 14 > The mighty God < Isaiah 9 ; 6 > Emmanuel < Isaiah 7; 14 > The Rose of Sharon lilly of the valley < Song of Solomon 2 ; 1 > Theprince of pace < Isaiah 9- 6 > The Mediator < 1Timothy 2 ; 5 > The helper < Hebrew 13 ; 6> The Rewarder of Faith < Hebrew11 ; 6 > The Branch < Zachariah 6 ; 12 > A Man of sorrows < Isaiah 53 ; 3 > The Bringer of Good Tidings < Isaiah 41 ; 27 > The Chief Cornerstone < Isaiah 28 ; 16 > The Redeemer < Job 19 ; 25 >This is only a small list of the different names that are Attributed to The Messiah Yashua Without Even His Name Being Mentioned . I Repeat The Name '' Yashua / Jesus '' IS NOT FOUND IN ANY OF THESE VERSE . HowEver , You Have Christian Will Undoubtedly Tell You That These Verse Are In Fact Speaking About The Messiah Yashua < NOT > In Serveral Quotes In The New Testament Jesus Made It Clear That You Are To Worship God And Not Him When He Made Reference To God He Used The Third Person Singular '' Him '' Not The First Person Singular Me In Luke 4; 8 Jesus Says And I Quote He Said Worship Him Not Me In John 4 ; 23 - 24 Jesus States Againt In The Red Letter Writting Of Your Bible And I Quote He Said Worship Him And Not Me . And In John 14 ; 10 Jesus Gives All Praise And Gratitude To His Heavenly Father And I Quote He Used The Word He Not Me The ( Trinity ) Is Of ( Pagan ) Origion And Every ( Pholytheistic ) Culture Has Their Own Reprentation Of It ... Common Sense Should Tell You That Three Person Yet One God Theory Is Impossible .. ( 1 ) Plus ( 1) Plus 1God The Father God The Son God The Holy Ghost Three Cannot Go Into One , With Yashu'a Was God How Could He Forsaken Himself (Matthew 27 ; 46 ... Mark 15; 34 ) And If He Was God Who Was He Calling Out To Himself ? I Thought God So Loved The World , That He Sent His Son To Die For You .. If That's True As John 3; 16 Says , Then Jesus Had Nothing To Do With It It Was That Father That Sent Him . In Matthew 6 ; 9 As Jesus Say '' Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' Because Jesus Say In John 13 ; 16 '' I Am Not Greater Than He Who Sent Me '' And In John 5; 30 He Says Again That '' I On My Own Accord Can Do Nothing '' Call No Man Father , Because There Is One Father Who Art In Heaven And Jesus Says Clearly In Matthew 23; 9 '' And Call No Man Your Father Upon The Earth Truth Is Truth And If It Was About His Father's Will Then Why Did Jesus SAy In Matthew 26; 38 >> If Be Possible Let This Cup Pass By Me ; Nevertheless Not As I Will , But As Thou Wilt '' Let Me Point Out A Few Points From Your Bible Stating That Jesus Couldn't Possibly Be God .. Mark 15 ; 34 >> Jesus cried out with a loud voice My God , My God Why have thou Forsaken Me . Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil > And What Could The Devil Possibly Offer The Creator Of Everything . Luke 14 ; 26 >> If anyman come to me , and hate not his Father And Mother And Wife And Chrildren And Brethren And Sister , Yea And His Own Life Also , He Cannot Be My Disciple . In My Father House Are Many Mansions .>>> Jesus Said In My Father's House , He [ Didsn't Say In My House ] Would It Have Made Sense To Say In My House [ If He Was God ? ] There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One .Jordan;72725]How about John 1:1? and a couple other scriptures?John 1:1 - [I][B][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=DarkGreen][U]In the beginning was the Word[/U][/COLOR] said:
[quote name='ZakarEl;72723]According To The Scriptures Yashu'a Only The Son Of God John 3 ; 16 ' date=' Not Yahuwa Himself .[/QUOTE'] What scripture says Jesus is not God ?
Maybe You Should Read The Post Over Again , But This Time Along With Your Bible Ok .savedbygrace57;72752 said:
The Lord Jesus Christ, though a Man, yet because of His Union with God the Word, The Eternal Logos, He was Divine, He was God..Jn 1: 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Though a Man, not just a man as you and i.. else Paul made no sense at all with this statement: Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Its certainly indicative here that Paul thought of Jesus Christ as A Divine Being, and more than a Man.. The Gospel revelation he received was not of man.. This also proves, that Jesus Christ, though in his human name, still most certainly applies to a Divine Being.. In 2 cor 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? Notice, that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates..This would prove, the omnipresence of Jesus Christ, wherever in the whole world, then and now, Jesus Christ is in the believer, only a Divine Being can do that.. I am also reminded of matt 18: 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I[Jesus Christ] in the midst of them. So wonder if there are two or more gathered in His name in 100 different places all over the world, can He keep His promise and be in the midst of them ? Not if he is a mere man, but as A Divine Being, omnipresent He most certainly can.. So, Jesus Christ, though a Man, He is God, God the Word..
The First and the Last If the Lord Jesus Christ is not God, then we have two different Beings claiming to be the First and the Last..Isa 44:66Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Now hear the words of Jesus Christ rev 1:11Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.This is Jesus Christ speaking ! We know this because of the following verses:12And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Now John, in identifying the one who spake to him in vs 11, said when he turned and saw whom it was, it was one like unto the Son of Man..So that had to be Jesus Christ. Also to be noted, that the Son of Man is also said to be the First and the Last..so for you who deny also the existence of The Son of man before the incarnation, you have serious problems with this passage as well.Because, He says, I am He that liveth and was dead. Now this had to be the Man speaking to have died, and the same Man says He is the First and the Last.If Jesus Christ is Not God, we have 2 alpha and omega..notice rev 21:66And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.vs 6 is speaking of who ? look at vs 77He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. So verse 6 must refer to God the Father as the Alpha and Omega without a doubt..But now lets look at rev 22:1313I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Now who is this claiming to be the Alpha and Omega and the beginning and the end as God the Father did in our previous reference ?look at verse 12:12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Thats the Lord Jesus Christ who is coming back again..the SonThis I come quickly is a trademark saying of The Lord Jesus Christ in this book i.e rev 22:6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. 7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 22:20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.rev 3:11Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.So, if Jesus Christ is not God, then we have numerous Gods, numerous First and Last, Alpha and Omega..BTW, Here is where we have Jesus Christ actually saying He is God..by Saying I am Alpha and Omega.. The First and the Last.__________________
Many of those who object to Jesus Christ in His Divine Nature being the One and True God sometimes appeal to ps 110: 1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. They argue that LORD Jehovah and Lord adown are Two different beings , which they are, but this comparison fails to nullify that adown is Not Jehovah in His Divine Nature. Lets look at Ps 8 : 1O LORD, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. David here uses the Two different designations for the Same Being.. Oh, Jehovah, our adown' This is indicative of the Deity of Jesus Christ. The word adown' also signifies sustainer, and Jesus Christ is the sustainer of all things that exist per Col 1: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. heb 1: 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: He is the preserver, maintainer of the Universe.. In His preincarnate Glory and Mediatorial Manhood, He is the Image of the Invisible God His Father, and by Him were all things Made or created.. Col 1: 16-17 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Jn 1: 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. This is extremely important, that as Mediator, Jesus Christ created all things..and if that is True, then He was a Man when He mediated creation per 1 tim 2: 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Amen, Jesus Christ was not just mediator in salvation for elect men, but also for creation of the earth for elect men.. He was the Joint Creator of all things, being the Medium, Agency God the Father used in His Creative Power.. Jesus Christ in His Divine Nature, He is the Most High God, The possessor of Heaven and Earth, The Lord and proprietor of all acts 10: 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
He is kurios of all..This word carries the ideal of: the possessor and disposer of a thing 1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master Jesus is the Most High God.. He is the head of every man , and in a special sense, He is the head of His body the church, which was chosen in Him, and had union with Him, accepted in Him, before the world was.. Also compare ps 8 3When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; with heb 1: 8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: See, now notice, In Ps 8 3 David is speaking of Jehovah, the heavens being the work of thy finger ! In heb 1 8-10 The writer is contributing the Son with the heavens being the work of his Hands.. Thats because, He was the medium of Creation as God-man.. May the LORD bless His True People with understanding..
He is kurios of all..This word carries the ideal of: the possessor and disposer of a thing 1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master Jesus is the Most High God.. He is the head of every man , and in a special sense, He is the head of His body the church, which was chosen in Him, and had union with Him, accepted in Him, before the world was.. Also compare ps 8 3When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; with heb 1: 8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: See, now notice, In Ps 8 3 David is speaking of Jehovah, the heavens being the work of thy finger ! In heb 1 8-10 The writer is contributing the Son with the heavens being the work of his Hands.. Thats because, He was the medium of Creation as God-man.. May the LORD bless His True People with understanding..Well, try to get by these Scriptures- In Gen 1, god declared the spirit of god moved upon the face of the waters. After that, every Scripture that speaks of the Holy Spirit refers to the spirit as "He". God declares in gen. later- "Let US make man in OUR image". If God is a single entity, who could He telling that "THEY" should make man in "THIER" image? god if single would've done so without asking anyone else, for none other would be equal to him. Also- God declares of Christ- His "Son" is from old, from EVERLASTING". Now, who has never not existed? Only God, right? He has always existed, for all time. so, who is He speaking of here? Lastly- God declares that He created all things thru His "SON" and by His SPIRIT"- (Holy Spirit). In the Gospel of John, a minimum of once in every chapter, Jesus used the title- "I AM", of which the Sanhedrin never liked it, because Jesus was saying He was God in the flesh. Why? Moses way back, asked God, who should I tell the Pharoh, sent me? God declared- tell him- "I AM that I AM" sent you". The Leader of the Sanhedrin asked Christ after His arrest who He was, Jesus said, thou knowset, and the Leader jumped to his feet, ripped open his tunic and cried out- "God is one". Which is why all during Jesus' Ministry, Jesus spoke of the Sanhedrin as a "brood of vipers"- (knowing the truth but speaking lies), "blind leading the blind", plus much more. People can believe misinterpretations of scriptures to believe God is only one entity, but too many scriptures have been presented, to show Jesus was "God in the Flesh". Lastly- Answer this question- Since no "created" creature of God could ever have taken on the sins of the world- (since its beginnings to its end), and of all men, how then could Jesus Christ have not been- "God in the flesh" to die for those sins and survive the horrible level of attonement all that sin put upon Him? Only "GOD" could survive that. God Bless!!
The prophecy is confirming that God himself will speak through Jesus Christ.. "Christ himself saying ( John 17:3.John 17:3 (King James Version) 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.)savedbygrace57;72032]Isa 40: [B]10[/B]Behold said:
Why where does the OT say that man is to call Jesus God?The NT says... Luke 1:35 (King James Version) 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.1 John 4 1.Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? John 17:17 (King James Version) 17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.John 6:63 (King James Version) 63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.It is well documented and well known amongst the Jews that the Messiah would bring the truth to the people of Israel. 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. What is truth and is obvious from both the Prophets and the teachings of Christ and the Apostles is the false doctrines and beliefs which have crept in. Paul saying in 2 Thessalonians 2 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. What is the untruth? To believe that Christ is not the Son of God.To ignore the truth about Jesus being the Messiah. God created Jesus - it was Jesus Christ who came in the flesh.We know Christ is a holy thing of God and that he was to be called the Son of God. There is absolutely no foundation for teaching what you wrote, below, as being truth...
Because there is no teaching that man is to believe that Jesus is God.In fact Jesus himself teaches that believers are made one as he and the Father are one. So Jesus and God are one as we are all made one in the same way with them. It is the Holy Spirit which unites us all into the one body of Jesus Christ.John 17:11 & 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (How does God keep them through his own name?) )xx( 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: The Apostles teach that the person whose faith believes that Jesus is the Son of God and that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, is the person who belongs to God and has overcome the world.Truth is that God has not given any such teaching that Christ is to be known as him. His Apostles teach very clearly that though Jesus is one with God and we are one with them. That Jesus Christ is to be known as the Son of God. That Jesus Christ came in the flesh and these alone are those whose faith overcomes the world being they have a love of truth.Jesus Christ is the messiah and the Son of God.Faithful.
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Faithful;73580]Why where does the OT say that man is to call Jesus God?[/QUOTE][b]Explicit reference[/b]Isa 9:6 For to us a child is born said:
i hate liver. i will never eat it. if you hate something you try your best to stay clear of it. my old nature loved sin , my new hates it. even though i know what it is i know as long as i keep my eyes on JESUS the tempter is destroyed and i am set free.
gregg;73592]i hate liver. i will never eat it. if you hate something you try your best to stay clear of it. my old nature loved sin said:My goodness...Alabama raises some smart cookies.
This is a fantastic post!!Thanks for more scripture that I will add to my studies concerning this subject.Nomad;73589][B]Explicit reference[/B]Isa 9:6 For to us a child is born said:
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