Spiritual Gifts Anyone?

Jay Ross · May 25, 2020

Mayflower said:
I didn't realize there were different terms for natural and supernatural gifts of the Spirit, but I credit the Holy Spirit for any talents. The important part is just using any of our talents for God's kingdom. This is the difference between operating in the Spirit and in the flesh.

Mayflower, I prefer using the expression "gifted abilities" rather than "talents," as the meaning of the word "talents" has grown out of the misuse of the Parable of the Talents by pastors in the past. In the Parable of the Talents, talents, i.e. an amount of money, was given by Satan to his good and faithful servants to oppress the people while he away for an extended period of time and his influence was removed from him during this time, so that the good and faithful servants could continue the oppression of people like Satan so that they had no time for considering God and their response to Him. The oppression of the Good and Faithful servants is to keep the people busy and focused on other things rather than on God and His purposes for their lives.

The parable of the Talents must be read in conjunction with the Parable of the Minas in Luke 19 as the subject matter of both parables is the same.

The pastors in the past have reinterpreted the parable of the Talents to be about the peoples gifted abilities needed to be used to bring in the Kingdom of God in an effort for their congregations to be more missional in their activities.

We must be careful that the meanings of modern day language matches the meanings of the words in the language of Jesus' time, 2,000 years ago.

But this nuance can be a discussion for another thread.

Angelina · May 25, 2020

Heart2Soul said:
I have been shown twice preachers having affairs with members of their congregation....it is very sad...very heartbreaking...and makes you angry as well.
Question @Angelina .....I remember I would enter a house or building and engage in conversation...and suddenly I would feel angry, or depressed, etc...for no reason...I don't know if it was discernment or not but I think it was cause when I left it went away.
That was when I first began discerning....is it like that with you?

Sister, I hear what you are saying. I was talking to a Pastor [not my Church] after a night service and as we were speaking, the spirit of lust fell from the ceiling of that church and both of us looked at each other with our eyes just about popping out and we both walked away at the same time. He ended up having an affair and running away with one of his members but I had already discerned a seductive spirit on him. Sometimes although a pastor can bring an awesome gift/mantle with them to a church, they can also bring unresolved issues that need to be addressed.

It is probably because there was a argument prior to you turning up or some form of resentment between people in the house.

Hidden In Him · May 25, 2020

Angelina said:
It can make your heart break and sometimes if you don't keep your soul in check with some revelation of the Holy Spirit. You can get really mad about something God has shown you. I was having a cup of tea after a night service and this guy came to sit next to me. He seemed like an ordinary christian guy, nothing out of the ordinary. Then the Holy Spirit starts to tell me that he is having an affair with his secretary! It made me cringe and then the Holy Spirit began to reveal more...I had to get up and walk away and prayed for him and his family...

I think it's an important gift that will come more into play as Revelation 3:19-20 starts to be fulfilled. When He is allowed back into His church, He will rebuke and chasten, and repentance will then be required of many. It will then again be fulfilled the verse that says, "those whom the Lord loves He disciplines." But this will be person to person, and according to His will and timing. Correction can work in both directions. Too severe a correction to a child who is doing his or her best might lead to anger, resentment and discouragement (Colossians 3:20-21). This is something the Lord tries to avoid. But with some, in the past He has had no choice (1 Corinthians 5:1-5; Revelation 2:20-23), and will have no choice again.

Angelina · May 25, 2020

Hidden In Him said:
I think it's an important gift that will come more into play as Revelation 3:19-20 starts to be fulfilled. When He is allowed back into His church, He will rebuke and chasten, and repentance will then be required of many. It will then again be fulfilled the verse that says, "those whom the Lord loves He disciplines." But this will be person to person, and according to His will and timing. Correction can work in both directions. Too severe a correction to a child who is doing his or her best might lead to anger, resentment and discouragement (Colossians 3:20-21). This is something the Lord tries to avoid. But with some, in the past He has had no choice (1 Corinthians 5:1-5; Revelation 2:20-23), and will have no choice again.

You know God has spoken to me about certain things that I do which he does not like. His warning is usually ~ If you do not repent and deal with this issue before me, I will call you out in public. [meaning the church community] He had only done this once and that was enough!

Heart2Soul · May 25, 2020

Hidden In Him said:
I think it's an important gift that will come more into play as Revelation 3:19-20 start to be fulfilled. When He is allowed back into His church, He will rebuke and chasten, and repentance will then be required of many. It will then again be fulfilled the verse that says, "those whom the Lord loves He disciplines." But this will be person to person, and according to His will and timing. Correction can work in both directions. Too severe a correction to a child who is doing his or her best might lead to anger, resentment and discouragement (Colossians 3:20-21). This is something the Lord tries to avoid. But with some, in the past He has no choice (1 Corinthians 5:1-5; Revelation 2:20-23), and will have no choice again.

Revelation 3:19 has been in play from the time of creation..

Hidden In Him said:
I think it's an important gift that will come more into play as Revelation 3:19-20 starts to be fulfilled. When He is allowed back into His church, He will rebuke and chasten, and repentance will then be required of many. It will then again be fulfilled the verse that says, "those whom the Lord loves He disciplines." But this will be person to person, and according to His will and timing. Correction can work in both directions. Too severe a correction to a child who is doing his or her best might lead to anger, resentment and discouragement (Colossians 3:20-21). This is something the Lord tries to avoid. But with some, in the past He has had no choice (1 Corinthians 5:1-5; Revelation 2:20-23), and will have no choice again.

His chastening has
Chastisement » The lord chastening
Deuteronomy 8:5
Jeremiah 10:24
Psalm 94:10-11

He who chastens the nations, will He not rebuke, Even He who teaches man knowledge? The LORD knows the thoughts of man, That they are a mere breath.

Psalm 118:18
Hebrews 12:7-10

It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? Who the lord chastens[/paste:font]
Proverbs 3:11-12

My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD Or loathe His reproof, For whom the LORD loves He reproves, Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights.

Leviticus 26:13-28

'I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt so that you would not be their slaves, and I broke the bars of your yoke and made you walk erect. 'But if you do not obey Me and do not carry out all these commandments, if, instead, you reject My statutes, and if your soul abhors My ordinances so as not to carry out all My commandments, and so break My covenant, Hebrews 12:5-6

and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM; FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES."

Revelation 3:14-21

"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: 'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. What chastening does[/paste:font]
Hebrews 12:11
Proverbs 20:30
Proverbs 22:15
Proverbs 29:15
Why the lord chastens people[/paste:font]
Hebrews 12:7-10

It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? 1 Corinthians 11:31-32

But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

Chastisement » Chastening your children
Proverbs 19:18
Proverbs 23:13
Proverbs 29:17
Who chastening is for[/paste:font]
Proverbs 26:3
Proverbs 10:13
Proverbs 19:29
The reward for correcting your child[/paste:font]
Proverbs 29:17
Proverbs 23:13-14

Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die. You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.

Chastisement » Those whom the lord chastens
Job 5:17
Psalm 94:12
The reward for not receiving correction[/paste:font]
Zephaniah 3:1-2

Woe to her who is rebellious and defiled, The tyrannical city! She heeded no voice, She accepted no instruction She did not trust in the LORD, She did not draw near to her God.

Chastisement » Who correction is grievous to
Proverbs 15:10
Who chastens their children[/paste:font]
Proverbs 13:24
Those that spare their rod[/paste:font]
Proverbs 13:24
The reward for enduring the chastening of the lord[/paste:font]
Hebrews 12:7
Israel » Under the judges » Backsliders » Chastisement » By philistines[/paste:font]
Judges 10:6-18

Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, served the Baals and the Ashtaroth, the gods of Aram, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the sons of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines; thus they forsook the LORD and did not serve Him. The anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and He sold them into the hands of the Philistines and into the hands of the sons of Ammon. They afflicted and crushed the sons of Israel that year; for eighteen years they afflicted all the sons of Israel who were beyond the Jordan in Gilead in the land of the Amorites.

Angelina · May 25, 2020

We had a Senior pastor who was head over a number of churches under our denomination and he would visit various congregations to see how they were going and also to preach. Now he was a scary guy with a powerful gift of discernment. He would be preaching and then pointing someone out and telling them off about what they are doing. He told one man to stop bullying his wife and leave her alone. Another woman he said that her bitterness will be her undoing. That she needed to repent before that bitterness drives her away from her walk with God.

Hidden In Him · May 25, 2020

Angelina said:
Sister, I hear what you are saying. I was talking to a Pastor [not my Church] after a night service and as we were speaking, the spirit of lust fell from the ceiling of that church and both of us looked at each other with our eyes just about popping out and we both walked away at the same time. He ended up having an affair and running away with one of his members but I had already discerned a seductive spirit on him. Sometimes although a pastor can bring an awesome gift/mantle with them to a church, they can also bring unresolved issues that need to be addressed.

It is probably because there was a argument prior to you turning up or some form of resentment between people in the house.

I recall being on a worship team about twelve years ago and the worship leader/keyboard player was married to the pastor. There was this sense about her. She was very private with most of the congregation, but in private there was a need there... a draw. I had no intentions of committing sin, but the feeling was unmistakable. I left that church eventually because the pastor was going off the deep end into being a control freak, and I heard that within a year she had left him for another man; another musician who had become part of her worship team after I left.

But it was not all just lust on her end. The pastor was a creepy nightmare, and is to this day. He has something like a hundred churches under his spiritual "covering" now in various countries in South America, and he found a new wife who is even more controlling than he is. But my wife and I can't even bear to be in the same room with him. We both get the creeps. He's never comfortable being in the same room with us either, because he knows we can see through him.

Anyway, it's a shame what happened with the wife, but she is happily married now. They work together in ministry and she was a good worship leader when I was with her. The Presence of God would fall on the congregation regularly. And the control-freak pastor has since had some of his children completely disown him and refuse to bear his name anymore. That's how bad it is.

Fun stories, LoL (not!).

Hidden In Him · May 25, 2020

Heart2Soul said:
Revelation 3:19 has been in play from the time of creation..

His chastening has
Chastisement » The lord chastening
Deuteronomy 8:5
Jeremiah 10:24
Psalm 94:10-11

He who chastens the nations, will He not rebuke, Even He who teaches man knowledge? The LORD knows the thoughts of man, That they are a mere breath.

Psalm 118:18
Hebrews 12:7-10

It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? Who the lord chastens[/paste:font]
Proverbs 3:11-12

My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD Or loathe His reproof, For whom the LORD loves He reproves, Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights.

Leviticus 26:13-28

'I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt so that you would not be their slaves, and I broke the bars of your yoke and made you walk erect. 'But if you do not obey Me and do not carry out all these commandments, if, instead, you reject My statutes, and if your soul abhors My ordinances so as not to carry out all My commandments, and so break My covenant, Hebrews 12:5-6

and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM; FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES."

Revelation 3:14-21

"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: 'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. What chastening does[/paste:font]
Hebrews 12:11
Proverbs 20:30
Proverbs 22:15
Proverbs 29:15
Why the lord chastens people[/paste:font]
Hebrews 12:7-10

It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? 1 Corinthians 11:31-32

But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

Chastisement » Chastening your children
Proverbs 19:18
Proverbs 23:13
Proverbs 29:17
Who chastening is for[/paste:font]
Proverbs 26:3
Proverbs 10:13
Proverbs 19:29
The reward for correcting your child[/paste:font]
Proverbs 29:17
Proverbs 23:13-14

Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die. You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.

Chastisement » Those whom the lord chastens
Job 5:17
Psalm 94:12
The reward for not receiving correction[/paste:font]
Zephaniah 3:1-2

Woe to her who is rebellious and defiled, The tyrannical city! She heeded no voice, She accepted no instruction She did not trust in the LORD, She did not draw near to her God.

Chastisement » Who correction is grievous to
Proverbs 15:10
Who chastens their children[/paste:font]
Proverbs 13:24
Those that spare their rod[/paste:font]
Proverbs 13:24
The reward for enduring the chastening of the lord[/paste:font]
Hebrews 12:7
Israel » Under the judges » Backsliders » Chastisement » By philistines[/paste:font]
Judges 10:6-18

Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, served the Baals and the Ashtaroth, the gods of Aram, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the sons of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines; thus they forsook the LORD and did not serve Him. The anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and He sold them into the hands of the Philistines and into the hands of the sons of Ammon. They afflicted and crushed the sons of Israel that year; for eighteen years they afflicted all the sons of Israel who were beyond the Jordan in Gilead in the land of the Amorites.

LoL! That was a long post! I was referring to Revelation 3:14-22 because it refers more specifically to our time, and those two verses I mentioned specifically have not yet been fulfilled yet. They will be when He enters into the end-time church and begins to chastise once again in earnest.

Mayflower · May 25, 2020

Jay Ross said:
Mayflower, I prefer using the expression "gifted abilities" rather than "talents," as the meaning of the word "talents" has grown out of the misuse of the Parable of the Talents by pastors in the past. In the Parable of the Talents, talents, i.e. an amount of money, was given by Satan to his good and faithful servants to oppress the people while he away for an extended period of time and his influence was removed from him during this time, so that the good and faithful servants could continue the oppression of people like Satan so that they had no time for considering God and their response to Him. The oppression of the Good and Faithful servants is to keep the people busy and focused on other things rather than on God and His purposes for their lives.

The parable of the Talents must be read in conjunction with the Parable of the Minas in Luke 19 as the subject matter of both parables is the same.

The pastors in the past have reinterpreted the parable of the Talents to be about the peoples gifted abilities needed to be used to bring in the Kingdom of God in an effort for their congregations to be more missional in their activities.

We must be careful that the meanings of modern day language matches the meanings of the words in the language of Jesus' time, 2,000 years ago.

But this nuance can be a discussion for another thread.

I actually got the word talents from that parable. Ive never heard it described like you have. If you start a study about it, please link it to me. My church teaches this.

Angelina · May 25, 2020

Hidden In Him said:
I recall being on a worship team about twelve years ago and the worship leader/keyboard player was married to the pastor. There was this sense about her. She was very private with most of the congregation, but in private there was a need there... a draw. I had no intentions of committing sin, but the feeling was unmistakable. I left that church eventually because the pastor was going off the deep end into being a control freak, and I heard that within a year she had left him for another man; another musician who had become part of her worship team after I left.

But it was not all just lust on her end. The pastor was a creepy nightmare, and is to this day. He has something like a hundred churches under his spiritual "covering" now in various countries in South America, and he found a new wife who is even more controlling than he is. But my wife and I can't even bear to be in the same room with him. We both get the creeps. He's never comfortable being in the same room with us either, because he knows we can see through him.

Anyway, it's a shame what happened with the wife, but she is happily married now. They work together in ministry and she was a good worship leader when I was with her. The Presence of God would fall on the congregation regularly. And the control-freak pastor has since had some of his children completely disown him and refuse to bear his name anymore. That's how bad it is.

Fun stories, LoL (not!).

Amazing. I was a worship leader for many years but at the beginning stages, I realised that you can be spiritually connected with whoever you are worshipping with. If you are a team who is predominantly male or female, that is fine but when the worship leader is female with male singers and musicians or if the worship leader is male with female singers, it can get tricky. There can be a misinterpretation of the dynamics. God means it for the good and that worship leader must be squeaky clean/ trustworthy but sometimes leaders are struggling particularly in the situation you speak about where the wife is possibly miserable and feels like she is under heavy control from her husband pastor.

After realising that such spiritual connections can occur, I ask my friend in the congregation to prayer cover me while I was in worship mode.

Hidden In Him · May 25, 2020

Angelina said:
You know God has spoken to me about certain things that I do which he does not like. His warning is usually ~ If you do not repent and deal with this issue before me, I will call you out in public. [meaning the church community] He had only done this once and that was enough!

I often wonder what I would do if He called me out on my mess, LoL. I would do what He asked of me, but you can bet there would be a discussion about it if He didn't somehow empower me to do what needed to be done. But as the scriptures say, "those who are His sons He disciplines," so I would stay focused on the situation as being a sign He loved me.

Hopefully I've addressed my problems before that day ever comes, but I'm not just waiting around for it. The Spirit never stops grieving when we do things that are not in His will.

Jay Ross · May 25, 2020

Mayflower said:
I actually got the word talents from that parable. Ive never heard it described like you have. If you start a study about it, please link it to me. My church teaches this.

I know that is the case. I have an uncle who is ancient now, but when I challenged him about his beliefs on these two parable, his foundation of belief was ripped out from under him and he became angry with me. I did begin a thread on this topic when I first began posting.

The other day I was looking at the Parable of the Minas in Luke 19 and in that Parable Jesus tells us that the "nobleman" goes away to the abyss.

Sort of confirms what I was understanding.

Shalom

Angelina · May 25, 2020

Hidden In Him said:
I often wonder what I would do if He called me out on my mess, LoL. I would do what He asked of me, but you can bet there would be a discussion about it if He didn't somehow empower me to do what needed to be done. But as the scriptures say, "those who are His sons He disciplines," so I would stay focused on the situation as being a sign He loved me.

Hopefully I've addressed my problems before that day ever comes, but I'm not just waiting around for it. The Spirit never stops grieving when we do things that are not in His will.

I hear you! I used to spend time in prayer and repentance prior to going to a night service in town or another town, especially when I feel that I am not right in my spirit....just encase he calls me out! Even if it were out of town. You know VERY well that it will somehow filter back to your people lol!

Angelina · May 25, 2020

I remember going to a night service with a group from our church and our new Pastor to another city. It was directed by a school of prophets. Anyway we went and it was great. Then our new pastor got called up and he got prayed over, then the Prophet started revealing to everyone that our new pastor tried to commit suicide in the past and it went on. Later on he came up to me and asked that I did not share this information yet because he hadn't ever told his wife. I told him that it was not my business. It's God's business and he has dealt with this in you. Nuff said!

Hidden In Him · May 25, 2020

Angelina said:
where the wife is possibly miserable and feels like she is under heavy control from her husband pastor.

Miserable she was. So miserable that she left him with all four kids and just walked. The amazing thing is that while most of the congregation vilified her to no end, I knew him well enough to actually understand why she would do it. He was a product of attacks as well. Spent the early years of ministry being attacked and betrayed by his congregations. But the enemy used his insecurities to turn him, and the result was a control-freak par excellence. The turn over rate among the members among the leadership was off the charts, and it's always a bad sign when people at the top keep leaving. But now he's on a totally different plane from laymen in his church, and they are simply told to "obey the man of God."

It's frightening what the enemy can do to people. He had strong gifts, too.

Angelina said:
After realising that such spiritual connections can occur, I ask my friend in the congregation to prayer cover me while I was in worship mode.

Around the same time period I was invited to come try out for another worship team in a large church in the city; a growing church. The team had quality musicians on it and the guitar player was a friend of mine, but when I got there there were three singers who were teen girls. One was back by the sound equipment asking another one to write something on her upper breast with a lipstick or marker or something, like pulling her shirt down to expose herself a little right in front of me. I found out right then and there that that was NOT the worship team for me, LoL.

I heard later that that the youth in that church were heavily involved in both drugs and sex; some were even dealing it.

Hidden In Him · May 25, 2020

Angelina said:
I hear you! I used to spend time in prayer and repentance prior to going to a night service in town or another town, especially when I feel that I am not right in my spirit....just encase he calls me out! Even if it were out of town. You know VERY well that it will somehow filter back to your people lol!

A Ha Ha!!! When you started this thread I didn't know we were going to end up spilling dirt! LoL.

Feel free to change the subject, LoL (kidding).

Angelina · May 25, 2020

He was a product of attacks as well. Spent the early years of ministry being attacked and betrayed by his congregations. But the enemy used his insecurities to turn him, and the result was a control-freak par excellence. The turn over rate among the members among the leadership was off the charts, and it's always a bad sign when people at the top keep leaving. But now he's on a totally different plane from laymen in his church, and they are simply told to "obey the man of God."

It's frightening what the enemy can do to people. He had strong gifts, too.

Very unfortunate indeed. We have a name for that. It is called "Absalom" Spirit. Which pastors need to be aware of within the congregation. I have seen this recently in one of our local churches. A Pastor has just been assigned to that church and one of the leaders who was running the church decided to leave and take half the church with him. The new pastor seems to be very controlling now whereas in the beginning, he was not.

Angelina · May 25, 2020

Hidden In Him said:
A Ha Ha!!! When you started this thread I didn't know we were going to end up spilling dirt! LoL.

Feel free to change the subject, LoL (kidding).

I'm trying to be open enough to share some things that may help a member or even a seeker with similar issue they may be confronted with...

Angelina · May 25, 2020

Angelina said:
I remember about 10 years ago, I had a dream that I was riding an elephant wearing a male arab Keffiyeh, singing "By The Rivers of Babylon and crossing a river. A few years later, I went to Thailand on a missions trip with 3 others. It was extremely hot there compared to NZ to say the least. Someone we met during our time their, gave me a red checkered headscarf type thing to wear because my hair is very long. So I took it with me everywhere. Anyway, we made our way up to Chiang Mai, Northern Thailand, where we decided to spend some time with the elephants up there which was awesome. Suddenly my memory came flooding back to me like a bolt of lightning as I was wearing what I now understand to be an arab Keffiyeh, riding an elephant across a river! So I slowly at first....started to sing "By The Rivers of Babylon" True story!

Why would God show me this? I believe it was to show how he can make the impossible, possible.

It also gave me revelation about his heart for the people of this land who are in bondage by an evil spirit who has enslaved them into a culture of poverty and trade. Many were saved during my time there.

Hidden In Him · May 25, 2020

Angelina said:
I'm trying to be open enough to share some things that may help a member or even a seeker with similar issue they may be confronted with...

Yes, me as well. I was teasing you just a bit. It's a habit of mine to keep things light.

Angelina said:
Why would God show me this? I believe it was to show how he can make the impossible, possible.

It also gave me revelation about his heart for the people of this land who are in bondage by an evil spirit who has enslaved them into a culture of poverty and trade. Many were saved during my time there.

Wow. You ought to post that one on the "Impotent Church" thread, LoL. The subject matter turned to women being used of God as soldiers and leaders. Not that it turned ugly, but yours would be another case of God using women just as strongly as He uses men. Anyway, you might like my post:

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