Yes, but my initial post was, ...i was trying to salvage your reply.I didn't say that they are faithful in reading God's word diligently...
Please don't make me regret responding to you. You are on my 'do not engage list', remember?
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Yes, but my initial post was, ...i was trying to salvage your reply.I didn't say that they are faithful in reading God's word diligently...
Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes, speaking from experience and as an authority, on the futility and vexation of wealth. This is why God endowed him with such luxury and ostentation, to be the living proof and witness against it.
Does your Bible not have the Book of Ecclesiastes in it?
What do you not understand when you read this scripture??
Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
Romans 14:10
Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
Romans 14:13
Therefore let us stop judging one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it. And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge of it.
Well, which is it then, Jesus' impoverished life, and all his warnings against the entrapments and vices of wealth, or Abraham's & Job's luxury?Get real!!! God blessed old Job and Abraham with great prosperity too!!! And you??
Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes, speaking from experience and as an authority, on the futility and vexation of wealth. This is why God endowed him with such luxury and ostentation, to be the living proof and witness against it.
Does your Bible not have the Book of Ecclesiastes in it?
I know Nancy, these principles are so elementary and quintessential to Christianity, that I can't fathom how these charlatans get away with such antithetical nonsense and deception?Moth shall destroy and thieves shall steal these worldly, materialistic "things". Because that is all they are.
How does one equate the prosperity "gospel" to Jesus telling the young ruler to sell all he has and give it to the poor, and follow Him?
If we have food, clothing, shelter we have everything we need. God want's the deepest desires of our hearts to be aligned with His own and to be in His presence.
"You make known to me the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore."
Psalm 16:11
The world puts value in material things but, God...the spiritual. Our desires should become HIS, which will always end up so much more than we could ever even come near when compared to worldly riches. Amen!
Psalm 37:4 God wants to give you the desires of your heart!
3Trust in the LORD and do good; dwell in the land and cultivate faithfulness. 4Delight yourself in the LORD, and He will give you the desires of your heart. 5Commit your way to the LORD; trust in Him, and He will do it.…
Yes!! "nothing is too costly or majestic for God...' God uses pure gold as His city's street pavement!!
You can command a mountain to move and it will if you have faith. I'm sure Satan can move lots of mountains....so what!ROFL! Jesse's life and prosperity are proof but you have what you use your faith to believe for.
I know Nancy, these principles are so elementary and quintessential to Christianity, that I can't fathom how these charlatans get away with such antithetical nonsense and deception?
And just to add to your verses above.
Proverbs 30:8-9
30:8. Keep deception and lies far from me, Give me neither poverty nor riches; Feed me with the food that is my portion, 9. That I not be full and deny You and say, "Who is the LORD?" Or that I not be in want and steal, And profane the name of my God.
You can command a mountain to move and it will if you have faith. I'm sure Satan can move lots of mountains....so what!
If the objective of faith is to get stuff, which is where the emphasis is here, then the pursuit is in error and the Gospel has been subverted.
You nailed it with your summation, right there!This is truly a sad doctrine for several reasons.
We cannot use verses as if we were already in the Kingdom, claiming all healing, claiming perfection, claiming to own everything.
Just a question here...
Did not Jesus tell us to pray that His will might be done on earth "as it is in heaven"?
Does this not mean bringing heaven down to earth?
In heaven there is no sickness or poverty.
Jesus healed everyone who came to Him at a certain point. Matthew 8:16.
It is also written that He became poor in order that we might become rich.
Now in the same passage (2 Corinthians 8 and 9) it is an exhortation to follow His example in giving to the poor.
This is the argument that I hear coming from the prosperity preachers; and it also makes sense to me to a certain extent.
John said to Gaius that he desired for him to prosper and be in health, even as his soul prospered.
I utilized this scripture to pray for a friend of mine and she got better. And her ailment was pretty bad before.
The principles of the Scriptures are not a "book of promises" to be applied any way we see fit, and any time we see a problem.
What of the following verses?
2Pe 1:3, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue
2Pe 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Heb 11:33, Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions
2Co 1:18, But as God is true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.
2Co 1:19, For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
2Co 1:20, For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.