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DNB

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I didn't say that they are faithful in reading God's word diligently...
Yes, but my initial post was, ...i was trying to salvage your reply.
Please don't make me regret responding to you. You are on my 'do not engage list', remember?
 

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4 I solemnly urge you in the presence of God and Christ Jesus, who will someday judge the living and the dead when he comes to set up his Kingdom: 2 Preach the word of God. Be prepared, whether the time is favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with good teaching.
 

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Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes, speaking from experience and as an authority, on the futility and vexation of wealth. This is why God endowed him with such luxury and ostentation, to be the living proof and witness against it.
Does your Bible not have the Book of Ecclesiastes in it?

Get real!!! God blessed old Job and Abraham with great prosperity too!!! And you??
 

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What do you not understand when you read this scripture??
Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Romans 14:10
Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.

Romans 14:13
Therefore let us stop judging one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it. And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge of it.

GISMYS,
I do believe what is being judged here is the teaching rather than the man himself, although yes, some will attack his character. We are TOLD to judge the spirits, rightly. It seems that there are never teachings on these warnings and that doesn't surprise me coming from most churches today.
 
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Get real!!! God blessed old Job and Abraham with great prosperity too!!! And you??
Well, which is it then, Jesus' impoverished life, and all his warnings against the entrapments and vices of wealth, or Abraham's & Job's luxury?
Did you miss the lesson on wisdom? There are several throughout the Bible. Can you not tell the difference between context and circumstance of the Patriarchs, and the fundamental principles of the flesh and its secular desires versus living by the Spirit?
Were you absent for Christianity 101?
 
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Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes, speaking from experience and as an authority, on the futility and vexation of wealth. This is why God endowed him with such luxury and ostentation, to be the living proof and witness against it.
Does your Bible not have the Book of Ecclesiastes in it?

Moth shall destroy and thieves shall steal these worldly, materialistic "things". Because that is all they are.
How does one equate the prosperity "gospel" to Jesus telling the young ruler to sell all he has and give it to the poor, and follow Him?

If we have food, clothing, shelter we have everything we need. God want's the deepest desires of our hearts to be aligned with His own and to be in His presence.

"You make known to me the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore."
Psalm 16:11

The world puts value in material things but, God...the spiritual. Our desires should become HIS, which will always end up so much more than we could ever even come near when compared to worldly riches. Amen!
 

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Moth shall destroy and thieves shall steal these worldly, materialistic "things". Because that is all they are.
How does one equate the prosperity "gospel" to Jesus telling the young ruler to sell all he has and give it to the poor, and follow Him?

If we have food, clothing, shelter we have everything we need. God want's the deepest desires of our hearts to be aligned with His own and to be in His presence.

"You make known to me the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore."
Psalm 16:11

The world puts value in material things but, God...the spiritual. Our desires should become HIS, which will always end up so much more than we could ever even come near when compared to worldly riches. Amen!
I know Nancy, these principles are so elementary and quintessential to Christianity, that I can't fathom how these charlatans get away with such antithetical nonsense and deception?
And just to add to your verses above.

Proverbs 30:8-9
30:8. Keep deception and lies far from me, Give me neither poverty nor riches; Feed me with the food that is my portion, 9. That I not be full and deny You and say, "Who is the LORD?" Or that I not be in want and steal, And profane the name of my God.
 
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Psalm 37:4 God wants to give you the desires of your heart!
3Trust in the LORD and do good; dwell in the land and cultivate faithfulness. 4Delight yourself in the LORD, and He will give you the desires of your heart. 5Commit your way to the LORD; trust in Him, and He will do it.…

That verse is one very close to my heart. It was a verse that I read on a wall, in hope that God would give me a wife. And He did. It's a wonderful verse, but I would never take it for granted. Thanks!
 
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Yes!! "nothing is too costly or majestic for God...' God uses pure gold as His city's street pavement!!

As I said, we're not in the Kingdom yet. We cannot use verses as if we were already in the Kingdom, claiming all healing, claiming perfection, claiming to own everything. That day will come, but it is heretical to claim it is already here.
 

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ROFL! Jesse's life and prosperity are proof but you have what you use your faith to believe for.
You can command a mountain to move and it will if you have faith. I'm sure Satan can move lots of mountains....so what!
If the objective of faith is to get stuff, which is where the emphasis is here, then the pursuit is in error and the Gospel has been subverted.
 
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I know Nancy, these principles are so elementary and quintessential to Christianity, that I can't fathom how these charlatans get away with such antithetical nonsense and deception?
And just to add to your verses above.

Proverbs 30:8-9
30:8. Keep deception and lies far from me, Give me neither poverty nor riches; Feed me with the food that is my portion, 9. That I not be full and deny You and say, "Who is the LORD?" Or that I not be in want and steal, And profane the name of my God.

Perfect verse! IMHO, there is not one single "poor" Westerner alive. There is such a lack of gratitude for every breath we take, living in the freedoms we do have, a blanket, everything! Just think of those who have truly no place to lie their heads each night, or who live in continual war, hunger and true poverty. We are so far removed from these humongous parts of the world, we have become blinded (willfully, IMO) we've become callous to their needs and ungrateful to see that we are abundantly blessed. This is truly a sad doctrine for several reasons. SMH.
 

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You can command a mountain to move and it will if you have faith. I'm sure Satan can move lots of mountains....so what!
If the objective of faith is to get stuff, which is where the emphasis is here, then the pursuit is in error and the Gospel has been subverted.

Never did Christ ever imagine that his followers would want anything other than God's direction and will. The many exploits accomplished by men of God in the OT were done by courage, not because they had the ability, but because they had faith that the One who called them to do something was able to enable them to do it.

Too many examples abound. Samson should not have been able to have the strength he had, but he had confidence that he could be victorious over the Philistines. Gideon had the courage to head out with only 300 men against an army of many thousands. David had faith that he could slay Goliath. The Israelites, in the 2nd generation, finally had confidence to go in and slay giants.

None of this was "claiming anything." None of it was claiming to be "Kingdom People," entitled to own God's best. No, these were people despised in an ungodly world, who themselves were sinful and in need of grace. But they persevered because God's word reached out to them. They therefore chose to believe, and stepped up, proving their repentance and fidelity to the One who would save them.

The "mountain" to be moved in faith is hyperbole, indicating something immovable. And yet God can remove enemy nations.

The mustard seed is an example of the faith of the smallest one of God, who may call upon God to open the door in the direction God gives him or her.

The mulberry tree can be lifted up from thick roots nearly impossible to uproot, showing that God is able to do anything, if we choose to follow His direction.

The key phrase is: if it is what He is directing us to do. That element is *always* assumed.

And yet, in our day and age, we turn this into a "prosperity principle" to be controlled and used by us for our own benefit. This is "making a graven image of God," or "taking God's name in vain." We must never misrepresent God's spoken word, and turn it into something we can control.
 

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We cannot use verses as if we were already in the Kingdom, claiming all healing, claiming perfection, claiming to own everything.

Just a question here...

Did not Jesus tell us to pray that His will might be done on earth "as it is in heaven"?

Does this not mean bringing heaven down to earth?

In heaven there is no sickness or poverty.

Jesus healed everyone who came to Him at a certain point. Matthew 8:16.

It is also written that He became poor in order that we might become rich.

Now in the same passage (2 Corinthians 8 and 9) it is an exhortation to follow His example in giving to the poor.

This is the argument that I hear coming from the prosperity preachers; and it also makes sense to me to a certain extent.

John said to Gaius that he desired for him to prosper and be in health, even as his soul prospered.

I utilized this scripture to pray for a friend of mine and she got better. And her ailment was pretty bad before.
 

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Just a question here...

Did not Jesus tell us to pray that His will might be done on earth "as it is in heaven"?

Does this not mean bringing heaven down to earth?

In heaven there is no sickness or poverty.

Jesus healed everyone who came to Him at a certain point. Matthew 8:16.

It is also written that He became poor in order that we might become rich.

Now in the same passage (2 Corinthians 8 and 9) it is an exhortation to follow His example in giving to the poor.

This is the argument that I hear coming from the prosperity preachers; and it also makes sense to me to a certain extent.

John said to Gaius that he desired for him to prosper and be in health, even as his soul prospered.

I utilized this scripture to pray for a friend of mine and she got better. And her ailment was pretty bad before.

Absolutely, and thanks for asking! I went through the same turmoil for years, largely because I had been raised up on it, and inundated by it. I could not read these passages without slipping into Prosperity Thinking or Faith Thinking.

Of course there's truth in it. The most dangerous lies are half-truths. The whole truth is that we are not yet in the Kingdom of God. Jesus warned us about false Christs precisely because they promised the Kingdom of God now, which clearly is not the case. The cults claim this as well. False religions claim it. They all claim to have the Golden Key, or the Door for the Elite, or the secret Password. My favorite is the Pin Number. ;)

The truth is, Jesus never promised a Kingdom experience before the Kingdom actually arrived. He only said the Kingdom would be "near" in the present age, manifesting it to us in limited forms. We have to go by God's word to us, which has promised opposition for the godly, and deprivation for the righteous at times. We are also promised correction, when we sin. We are told we cannot exterminate sin, but can only become "perfect" in the sense of becoming mature. We are to be "trained in righteousness," but not sinless and perfect in righteousness.

And so we await the Kingdom, and are given tools by the word of God that are powerful, but limited in their application. God will not, by His word, override His own will. And His will is to wait, until the full complement of people are won to the Kingdom. The nations must be prepared by the Gospel for judgment. And then God's promises for Israel and for the whole Church will be fulfilled.

We cannot determined God's will by reading in the Bible what God's will was for others. We must know God's will for our own lives. We must hear God for ourselves.

The principles of the Scriptures are not a "book of promises" to be applied any way we see fit, and any time we see a problem. We must hear from God to know what the problem means, and how we are to treat it, whether to endure it or to seek a more practical solution to it.

This advice is not commonly given. I pray it becomes more commonly given. It is by revelation that we are to live, and not by turning God's word into a book of promises!
 

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The principles of the Scriptures are not a "book of promises" to be applied any way we see fit, and any time we see a problem.

What of the following verses?

2Pe 1:3, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Heb 11:33, Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,


2Co 1:18, But as God is true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.
2Co 1:19, For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
2Co 1:20, For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
 

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What of the following verses?

2Pe 1:3, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue

Back in the early 80s I had a discussion with an acquaintance who was at that time caught up in an evangelical movement focused on "taking the Kingdom by force." Incidentally, that verse is misquoted as an advance of God's Kingdom by God's People conquering the world. It really refers to ungodly Jews who attempted to acquire and establish God's Kingdom on earth by usurping the Jewish theocracy during the period of the Law.

At that time I made a list of things God's heavenly Kingdom gives us now, and a list of things that God's heavenly Kingdom will give us in eternity. The difference is astounding. We do have power to follow God's will. The word of God does speak to us in the present age. We can preach the gospel with power, with signs and wonders. And the supernatural is in evidence in our confession.

However, as I said, we cannot cast the Devil out of the world. We cannot make ourselves be perfect. We cannot judge and remove wicked men until they are given an adequate time to make up their minds. And so, we have negative experiences in the present age, and our supernatural power cannot undo this. We can only use God's power to bring deliverance from sin, the assurance of eternal salvation, and the sentence of judgment upon those who refuse to repent.

If you will then go down the list of your references, you will see that those who exercised supernatural power did so as they were following God's specific guidance for their lives. That is, they were following divine revelation, or God's voice speaking to their conscience.

But no matter how much they experienced victory in following God's guidance, there were many negatives experiences they could not remove. If you look into the life of Daniel, Jeremiah, David, or any others, you will see that they did supernatural exploits, and also suffered from those who hated their righteousness.

2Pe 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The word of Christ to those of us in the present age is the experience of salvation. We are all called to convert from the carnal man to the spiritual man, modeled after Christ. This is no guarantee that will will avoid the negative experiences of life.

Heb 11:33, Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions

God led Israel, by revelation, to inhabit the land He promised to Abraham his descendants could have. Israel was given to be a model for Christian nations in the future. This was no guarantee that Christian nations would be any more successful than Israel was. But Christian nations did work as long as the majority prevailed in their obedience.

2Co 1:18, But as God is true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.
2Co 1:19, For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
2Co 1:20, For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

The "yes" has to do with responding to God's command for our lives. When Paul determined to go into a new area, he had already received God's call on his life. So he knew that what he determined to do was based on God's general word for his life.

Even then, there were times when God forbade Paul from going certain places at certain times. This showed that Paul saw any effort at doing something in accord with the express will of God as a "Yes." It was an assurance that he would be blessed in his endeavors to preach the gospel, but not an assurance that it would be free of persecution and hardship.
 

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Bottom line = will you choose to believe the Truth of God's Word or follow the ideas and opinions of little men??
 

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You can have "ALL" God wants you to have!!
OP ^

Simply put...
I agree 100% with the OP.
God has "OFFERED" eternal Life, to all men.

However...there IS a Caveat.

Gods "Order" and "WAY" MUST needs be Followed...to BE a Recipient of Gods "OFFERING".

It is Paramount for an individual "to Discover and Know" what "IS" Gods "WAY"...
* and SEEK, Gods "WAY"
* and RECEIVE, Gods "WAY"
* and KEEP, Gods "WAY".

In the Beginning: Adam was "given" access, and "Direction" to "Eat from the Tree of Life"...Adam did NOT.

Gen 3:
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24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, "to keep" the way of the tree of life.

Gods Holy Angels "Kept" the "Tree of Life protected" from...CORRUPTION.

The Good News...Gods "Tree of Life"...is from the Beginning of mankind TO this day...STILL...protected From Corruption and AVAILABLE and OFFERED for All "Willing" men...to take and Eat from THAT TREE.

Following History:
ADAM:
Adam had Physical access to the Tree of Life...but did not take it.
* Adam later Did Eat, Spiritually, (and Became) "Made" a "son" of God.
(Luke 3:
[38]...Adam, which was the son of God.)

* Wis: 2
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18] For if the just man be the son of God, he (God) will help him, and deliver him from the hand of his enemies.

PROPHETS:
Heb.1
[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets...


THE PEOPLE:
Ex. 19:
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8] And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

NOAH:
Gen: 6
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8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
[
9] These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
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22] Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
Gen: 7
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went "UP-on the face of the waters.

DISCIPLES:
Rom 1: (God)...
[2] Hath in these last days "spoken unto us (Disciples/Apostles) by his Son,"...


The HOLY (uncorrupted) OFFERING (TREE OF LIFE) to ALL men PREVAILS:

John 6:
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Rom 12:
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9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[
10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


* BELIEF in an Individual's Heart and VOW (Word of the Individual) "IS" the Individual's Required "CAVEAT".
* ALL The REST..."IS" works Performed, BY God!
* THE REST...
...Forgiveness
...Making
...Restoration
...Quickening
...Keeping
...Comforting
...Lifting UP
...Redeeming
...Glorifying

TEACHERS:
* JESUS: (taught His Disciples to Teach the World)

Matt: 6
[4] That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

An Individual Person:
* Salvation IS one thing.
...Salvation IS NOT given "because" of WORKS.
...Salvation IS given "Because" of Belief and Confession.
* OPEN Works are REWARDED, "by men"
* HIDDEN/Secret Works, are REWARDED, "by God".

WORKS REWARDED by GOD, are "TREASURES" STORED in Heaven, ( to be received WHEN the individual IS Redeemed )
Rev 22:
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12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

WORKS a (Converted) man DOES in secret, (that Glorifies God), while ON Earth, is "received" unto the man, AS A Gifted Blessing, (for other men to SEE).

SOME TEACHERS: (Manner / Style) of teaching Gods Blessings CAN BE:
Off-putting, Flippant, Comical, Boastful, MisUnderstood, Coy, Scheming, Serious, Greatful, Thankful, etc.

I am not Fond of Duplaintis' or Copelands' (and some others)...STYLE of Teaching.

However Jesus Himself...gave a Remedy to overcome individuals STYLE of teaching a man may not be fond of...

"IF" what an individual DOES, Glorifies God...do as "they" (TEACHERS ) SAY...Do NOT DO as "they" (TEACHERS), DO.

Matt 23:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Gods OFFERING is to ALL men, in these Last days, through Christ The Lord Jesus.

Any WILLING individual may Reach Out and TAKE the Offering (and Eat of the Tree of Life) and Be MADE a son of God, and Live Forever In the presence, peace and harmony of God.

All individual men must exercise their own Freewill to Decide " IF" they Are Willing and Able, to Eat and Drink from the TREE of LIFE... or not.

Glory to God,
Taken