What Day Is The Sabbath ???

Brakelite2 said:

Except Sunday isn't the day God sanctified and made holy. Sabbath is a relational appointment. Not that we don't meet with God at any other time, but the Sabbath is special... Unique. A day God set aside specifically to spend with His people. And God doesn't change, and He hasn't changed His day.

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In the New covenant God wants to sanctify and make holy his people not a day. The worshipping of days and temples and sacrificial offerings came to an end 2000 years ago. The Sabbath is a shadow of the rest we find in Christ and will only lead you away from Christ and back to the defunct law.

Brakelite2 said:

It can't be pride. Observing the Sabbath the way Good intended and the way He set it up in the beginning negates pride. Think about it. Adam and Eve are standing there looking about them wondering where they are, what they are, and where they came from. This is in the very last part of the sixth day. They look about then at creation. A finished creation in which they played no part. God did it all. Their first full day of existence was then spent with their Creator, a majestic holy Being Who told them how and why they were there. They had to accept everything God said in faith. No pride possible there. Just loving benevolent grace. And the 5 to commandment confirms that in asking is to remember. Remember what? That we eat created beings and our Creator loves us and wants to be with us, setting aside and sanctifying one day in order for us to make that appointment. But it doesn't end there.
Later, Moses breaks those tables when he witnesses that disgusting pagan festival and God had to rewrite them. Only this time there is a subtle change... Not by way of cancelling and contradicting what had been given before, but complimenting it. This time there Sabbath was given as a itmemorial if their deliverance from bondage and slavery.
Today, we are also delivered from bondage and slavery. It's a finished work at creation, and it's a finished work at Calvary. There is no room for pride, in fact honouring God's holy day is an antidote to pride, legalism, and easy grace. It's not kept as an obligation, but because we want to. We love God and He loves us and we meet with Him on His holy day to celebrate and delight in His goodness, His love, His grace, and His precious gifts of life and rest.

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We have everyday to remember God, He is always with us, as is Christ, no longer relegated to the religious one day a week except by the religious.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

The unfortunate fact that the fact that God gave his People "A SABBATH DAY FOR TO BE REMEMBERED SINCE JESUS GAVE THEM REST" does nothing for you, doesn't mean it does or means nothing for the People of God!

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You mean like the ones , "come out of her my people", yet still so many will not, and yet His people rest in Him form there own works for He has done it all. It is finished

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Trying to squeeze into one line as many lies as words... it won't effect the Truth of the Word of God the Scriptures.

Jesus did give us his Sabbath if He is our Lord He being the Lord of the Sabbath.
And God made the Sabbath for no reason whatsoever than for man and
for the Day He saved his People
from Adam and Eve
to Moses and the children of Israel
to the Christians "HOLDING TO HEAD
THE BODY GROWING WITH THE GROWTH OF GOD
EATING AND DRINKING OF CHRIST
THE SUBSTANCE AND NOURISHMENT
OF SABBATH'S FEAST
MINISTERED." Colossians 2:16.

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So than did Jesus sin???

Malihah said:

In the New covenant God wants to sanctify and make holy his people not a day.

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Hold on a second... You don't think God wanted a holy people through the old covenant? When was the last time you read Genesis,? Good made the day holy, calling it Sabbath. When did He undo that?

Malihah said:

The worshipping of days

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The day isn't worshipped.

Malihah said:

The Sabbath is a shadow of the rest we find in Christ

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According to who?

Malihah said:

and will only lead you away from Christ and back to the defunct law.

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And you know this how?

mjrhealth said:

We have everyday to remember God, He is always with us, as is Christ, no longer relegated to the religious one day a week except by the religious.

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Either you didn't read the post you quoted, or you are becoming like BoL and refuse to believe my testimony. Next you'll be saying I'm lying.

It is God’s weekly reminder to us that our salvation is 100% the gift of His grace, totally His accomplishment through Christ and not ours, to be received into our lives by faith alone. As such the Sabbath guards us against legalism and self-dependence and lodges all our hope and trust in Jesus. The Sabbath tells us that good works contribute absolutely nothing to our salvation, while at the same time revealing God’s mighty work in us. We are saved by His creative work. Our part is to rest by trusting in His mighty power to save us.

Scripture intentionally and repeatedly speaks of salvation in creation language: 2 Corinthians 4:6, NIV—For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. Ephesians 2:8-10—For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 4:23-24—Be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. 2 Corinthians 5:17—Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Psalm 51:10-12—Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. . . Restore to me the joy of Your salvation. Now return to John’s gospel and notice the creation-salvation parallel further worked out: John 17:4—I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. John 19:30—He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit. Luke’s informs us that Jesus finished the work of salvation on Friday, rested in the tomb from that work on the Sabbath, and rose from the dead on Sunday: Luke 23:54-56; 24:1-3

Brakelite2 said:

What's not to like? Delighting oneself in his Savior is a blessing is it not? Spending a day at full rest to delight in God and enjoy His company... What's not to like, love, about that? No distractions. No other cares. Just a true Sabbath rest. Wonderful,! Why be so critical of something you haven't tried?

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Amen! No Sabbath commands in the NT!

Malihah said:

In the New covenant God wants to sanctify and make holy his people not a day. The worshipping of days and temples and sacrificial offerings came to an end 2000 years ago. The Sabbath is a shadow of the rest we find in Christ and will only lead you away from Christ and back to the defunct law.

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Isaiah 56:1-7—Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness, for My salvation is about to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.” Do not let the son of the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord speak, saying, “The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”; nor let the eunuch say, “Here I am, a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose what pleases Me, and hold fast My covenant, even to them I will give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them[a] an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. “Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My covenant—even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on My altar; for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.” Here we see that Isaiah foretold the gospel going to the gentile world and the formation of the new testament church. And according to this prophecy, New Testament believers, both Jews and nonJews, will be Sabbath-keepers because the Sabbath is a constant reminder of the new covenant of God’s law written in the heart and the impossibility of salvation by works. It is not surprising, then, that we find the new testament church, both Jews and Gentiles, keeping the Sabbath:
Acts 13:13-44—Paul and his party . . . went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. . . So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. . . On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Nor is is surprising that Jesus, as the embodiment of the new covenant, was a Sabbath keeper and envisioned his end-time people as Sabbath keepers:
Luke 4:16—So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. Mark 2:27-28—And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
Matthew 24:20—Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. The Sabbath will forever be for us a point of intimate contact in time with our Maker and Savior:
Isaiah 66:23—It shall come to pass that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.

kcnalp said:

Amen! No Sabbath commands in the NT!

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You still can't get away from your legalist approach to the Sabbath. I don't keep the Sabbath because it's a commandment (even though it is, and you know full well that none of the commandments were abrogated at any time... Murder is still murder... Theft is still theft... Adultery is still adultery, there aren't nine commandments written on the tables of stone in the heavenly sanctuary), I don't keep it because of any obligation to obey (even though you know there is an obligation to obey God in all things right) but I keep the Sabbath because it's a really cool day and Good does really truly meet with us on that day like no other day. It is special. Unique. Not any other day.. And it was God who made it so in the beginning... And He hasn't changed it. Unless of course you can produce some good sound biblical texts that say otherwise....

Marymog said:

YOU have been given the ability to sort out the good from the bad? Are you saying your tutors, who were “fine men”, lacked that ability?

You are right......I am a “slave to Catholic theology”. It has a 2,000 year history of many fine men coming up with that theology. YOU are a slave to YOUR theology. How long is the history of your theology? How long have you been studying Scripture?

Why is your theology better or more true than the men of The Churches theology?

And why is the Spirit sooooo confused? After all, your theology is MUCH different then a lot of highly regarded and respected “fine men”. Did the Spirit not talk to them but it did you???

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Argumentative so no comment.

Brakelite2 said:

I cannot find any translation or version suggesting that the collection is to be set aside on Sabbath. Each one I found said first day of the week... Sunday... First day....Not Sabbath...7th day.

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That is the original Greek.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

there goes your credibility in my human opinion. I believe the Third Commandment.

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I don't mind.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

What's this? <<when Church was being held>> there was <<No such thing as church in those days>>?

What's this, <<No such thing as church in those days>> ... <<It (??) was known as the ecclesia>>??

This is contradicting oneself.

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Is it?

Brakelite2 said:

It is God’s weekly reminder to us that our salvation is 100% the gift of His grace, totally His accomplishment through Christ and not ours, to be received into our lives by faith alone. As such the Sabbath guards us against legalism and self-dependence and lodges all our hope and trust in Jesus. The Sabbath tells us that good works contribute absolutely nothing to our salvation, while at the same time revealing God’s mighty work in us. We are saved by His creative work. Our part is to rest by trusting in His mighty power to save us.

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We have Christ every day, He is always with us, a quick prayer in the morning inviting Him into your day, is more than enough for Him. Legalism is what you, by the way, are doing.

kcnalp said:

Amen! Christians are not under the Law of Moses, period! No Sabbath commands!

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Mixing Truth with Lie makes the whole broth satanic alchemy -- never Godly Truth.

FHII said:

Yes, and I would tend to agree that is a strong possibility. We tend to forget that Paul himself was a Jew, and even a Pharisee, because he did preach we aren't under the Law. However, he did want to return to Jerusalem for the Passover celebration. We also tend to think the Corinthians were gentiles, and they probably were mostly gentiles, but not all of them. Prescilia and Aquila, for example. Paul was a self proclaimed Apostle to the gentiles, but in Greece alone he did preach to many Jews. We tend to forget that.

I read about a dozen Bible commentaries on this verse and many (if not all) tend to give support to your theory. Paul did say we are not under the Law, and I believe he even said Gentiles were not expected to follow holy days (perhaps even chastised them for doing so in Galatians). Yet, he himself did at times. This is not a criticism of the great Apostle, just an admittance that I don't understand all his actions. Though, I kind of do... He said we weren't bound by them, gentile or Jew.. But he never said we couldn't observe them.

I want to expound on something else which has not been talked about in this thread, but the commentaries I read have discussed. Paul called for a collection on Sunday. For both Corinth and Galatia. Again, he didn't make this a Church service day. But many of the commentaries wonder if the money was just set aside in the individual homes or gathered into one "Church account". The commentators suggest that the Christian Corinthians wouldn't have had such a banking system to do that. I totally disagree. I think they did, and I will expound on that if anyone is interested.

But in conclusion.... 1 Corinthians 16:2 does show Church activity, but it is not a president for it being a Christian holy day. Acts 20:7 is a better verse for that, but even that doesn't solidify Sunday as a holy day. It says they had a service on Sunday. That's it. It isn't a mandate.

I can give other verses that suggest it's a good day to hold services. God likes to be first. He likes first fruits. He says seek ye FIRST the Kingdom of God... Sunday is the first day of the week. It really does make sense! Nonetheless... You make some good points which I agree are worthy of consideration.

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This is a good summary of the 'Total-mannetjie' stand with regard to deciding for truth or fallacy and it could serve well as a frame-work for stringing through a systematic critique. To be commended also is its potential for some brightly coloured threads of humour throughout.

Brakelite2 said:

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  Q. What is the Third Commandment? ( Remember they renumbered! )
  A. The third Commandment is: Remember thour keep holy the Sabbath day.
  Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
  A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
  
  Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
  A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
  [ The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, 1951 printing, page 50. ]

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Ummmm.....You do know that The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine is NOT the Catechism of The Church?

Sooooo would you like to try again?

marksman said:

Argumentative so no comment.

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I knew you would respond in a way that allowed you to dodge my legitimate questions. Instead of honestly answering those questions that would destroy your inflated belief in yourself you answer in a way that makes it MY FAULT that you are not going to answer. Simply fascinating.....It was worth a try though. Thank you for your time!!

Mary