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There is the biggest problem with you evangelicals and your absolute lack of any understanding of the sacraments and Traditional Christianity. Christ is really present in the Holy Eucharist it is not symbolism nor ritual. I would say you all have a completely misplaced faith that goes no where while you all starve to death because you never receive Christ. In the Sacraments are life and healing because it the Grace God gives through and with the Sacraments not what man does. Evangelicals don't need Church because really for you guys there is nothing there except a social club were you can get together but Traditional Liturgical Christians understand there is so much more to Church than seeing everyone and hearing a sermon.
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1. You do not know us at all, you should stop listening to what people tell you about us
2. We experienced Christ when we ate the true flesh. So much we never hunger or thirst again, as our spiritual lives have been made alive with power and light. And we see it in each others lives, Just like Jesus said it would happen in John 6
3. The early church looked nothing like the traditional churches of so many traditional denominational church (included the roman variety)

Christianity is a relationship with the body. Growing and feeding off each other, where the body is tight nit as a group and each helps each other in their own lives. and be a light into the world

Like someone said, It is sad one needs to go to a traditional what some call a cinematic production to get fed. It resembles what the jews did. And we see how it could never sustain them.
 

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Well, first I'm only having a conversation here and if you are comfortable with everything you are doing and you believe this is what Jesus accepts, them go ahead. By the way, I do not identify as Evangelical. And I was Catholic, so I understand much more than you realise.
I have a question. If Christ is in the Eucharist, and you accept him at communion, how long does he stay? If you need to go back next week, why did he leave, and when?
More importantly. Why did the food he said endured to eternal life die. requiring them to feed again
 
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A friend and I had the best ski vacation when we went to the ski resorts around Queentown and Wanaka.
Treble Cone was the best but we were lucky cos snow had been falling heavily for 5 days and then cleared up when we arrived. So we had lovely powder snow under blue skies, it was fantastic
I never did ski in the SI. Where I did ski was also where I surfed. Could see the mountain from the water... And my kitchen window.
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According to geological experts this mountain is the most likely to explode in our life time of all the volcanoes in NZ.
 
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There is the biggest problem with you evangelicals and your absolute lack of any understanding of the sacraments and Traditional Christianity. Christ is really present in the Holy Eucharist it is not symbolism nor ritual. I would say you all have a completely misplaced faith that goes no where while you all starve to death because you never receive Christ. In the Sacraments are life and healing because it the Grace God gives through and with the Sacraments not what man does. Evangelicals don't need Church because really for you guys there is nothing there except a social club were you can get together but Traditional Liturgical Christians understand there is so much more to Church than seeing everyone and hearing a sermon.
Along our friend @Brakelite2 I and a number of others here on this forum are former Catholics. You should not presume we are all completely ignorant of what Catholics do and believe. You use the word "evangelicals" without defining who is included in that term, yet some Catholics here insist that no one should be calling them "Roman Catholics". That's OK with me, but turn about is fair play. I have never belonged to or even attended an assembly/church where the word "evangelical" was part of their name. Why do you continue to use it as if someone would know what you meant while expecting everyone to be familiar with and use the official title of the Catholic Church? Should we use a definition of "evangelical" according to Webster's dictionary or would you like to supply one? Ever hear the expression, 'What's good for the goose is good for the gander'?

I grew up as a Catholic when Pius XII was the Pope. I served as an altar boy from the time they would accept me until I graduated from high in 1961. I was in high school when Pius XII died and John XXIII became his successor. I slipped back to being no more than a nominal Catholicism not long after graduating from high school.

Yes, there is certainly much more to Church than seeing everyone and hearing a sermon. On that we agree. Why do you speak as if there no sincerely faithful non-Catholics?
 
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The venue was not so important; it was the doctrinal context of their activities that really mattered, as Acts 2.42 seems to indicate.
Amen this is true. and It was not just doctrine. It was also fellowship. Eating dinner (breaking bread) and prayer
 
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That’s a good thing. When those things blow. A lot of people will die. Seattle is another hot bed waiting to happen
Really? Is that mt St Helens or another one? The concern with Mt Taranaki is that it doesn't vent. No pressure release. So when it goes, it's going to go big. Not a particularly unusual thing for NZ. The biggest explosion in the last "70,000" years globally (according to volcanologists) occurred when the Taupo caldera blew up which resulted in the formation of the current lake there... And though"dormant". It's still active.. As are the three volcanoes 50 miles south of there, White island to the north east, and the Rotorua area to the east. Rim of fire. Never boring. And totally off topic.
 

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Why would I opt to have Christ only during the sacraments when I can experiencing him every single day of my life in a personal and living way through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I could be on a desert island and I would still be close, well fed, and covered by His grace. Church are people, and we do need people as well, but our hope and strength comes from Christ Himself.
So you think ‘ Evangelicals ‘ don’t have Christ and that we have never received Christ.........interesting, a total lie and deception - who told you that !?
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Evangelicals don't and it's not a lie. They have reject Christ Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. As my Bishop says they may be Christians but they are starving to death. That is why Church doesn't mean a lot to you all, because Christ Real Presence is not there.
 

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Yes, there is certainly much more to Church than seeing everyone and hearing a sermon. On that we agree. Why do you speak as if there no sincerely faithful non-Catholics?

This place is rife with anti anything Traditional Christianity, as if Evangelicalism is the only thing around when it is an entirely new system relatively speaking. Frankly I am sick of being seen as a second class citizen in a place like this because I practice Ancient Christianity and shun your guys new type Christianity. I am sick of people posting lies like in many threads here and I am sick of people acting like Church is nothing just because they don't think Church is necessary and everyone else should feel the same way
 

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Really? Is that mt St Helens or another one? The concern with Mt Taranaki is that it doesn't vent. No pressure release. So when it goes, it's going to go big. Not a particularly unusual thing for NZ. The biggest explosion in the last "70,000" years globally (according to volcanologists) occurred when the Taupo caldera blew up which resulted in the formation of the current lake there... And though"dormant". It's still active.. As are the three volcanoes 50 miles south of there, White island to the north east, and the Rotorua area to the east. Rim of fire. Never boring. And totally off topic.
My Rainier, Seattle is right below it.
Our big one is Yellowstone, it is a super volcano, which they if it blows would kill millions and its affects would be felt worldwide including a possible nuclear winter
 

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This place is rife with anti anything Traditional Christianity, as if Evangelicalism is the only thing around when it is an entirely new system relatively speaking. Frankly I am sick of being seen as a second class citizen in a place like this because I practice Ancient Christianity and shun your guys new type Christianity. I am sick of people posting lies like in many threads here and I am sick of people acting like Church is nothing just because they don't think Church is necessary and everyone else should feel the same way
Yet you call all others evangelical. Yet many are not and have asked you to stop, yet here you are still accusing them.

maybe people are sick of traditional churches who try to tell them what to do or how ungodly we are because we do not follow your traditions, and then slandering people saying they are saying the church is not necessary when no one has ever said such a thing (saying the traditional meetings is not necessary is not the same as saying the church is not necessary)

And it would be nice to admit there are just as many traditionalists telling us we are ungodly as there is the other way around

how about we stop attacking each other and sit and listen to each other. Even if we disagree stop pulling out the hate card.
 

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This place is rife with anti anything Traditional Christianity, as if Evangelicalism is the only thing around when it is an entirely new system relatively speaking. Frankly I am sick of being seen as a second class citizen in a place like this because I practice Ancient Christianity and shun your guys new type Christianity. I am sick of people posting lies like in many threads here and I am sick of people acting like Church is nothing just because they don't think Church is necessary and everyone else should feel the same way
Oh I agree that the way some people, on both sides of issues treat or speak to others on this forum in ways not at all Christ-like, at least not like the Christ I have come to know over my years in His service. Consider what Jesus said:

Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also." Luke 6:28-29

And consider what Jesus did after being falsely accused for unlike all other men, including you and me, Jesus never sinned at all, Being innocent he made no attempt to defend himself although Pontius Pilate really did not want to condemn him...

Why should you or anyone suffer abuse [verbal or other] because of what you believe or to what group belong? It should not be so... but it is. It is the way of the beast nature of men. I also am not exempt. None of us are. You are certainly not more innocent than Jesus, but he walked to the cross without resistance. He lay down and allowed them to attach him painfully to the cross without resistance. Either you are on God's side or not. Jesus was.

So either stand up for what you do believe or leave, but staying why should you join the mudslingers? Even if you were right on every point and they were are all wrong on every point, do you win brownie points by hitting them as they hit you? What does that accomplish for you with God?
 
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My Rainier, Seattle is right below it.
Our big one is Yellowstone, it is a super volcano, which they if it blows would kill millions and its affects would be felt worldwide including a possible nuclear winter
Aahhh. My Rainier, okay. Mmm Yellowstone. Yep, that's a biggie. Would love to visit there, but am aware of the potential. It's a good thing there are so many geysers and vents there else the pending eruption would be even greater. Is there any time table to Rainier? Didn't know it was a volcano.
 

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This place is rife with anti anything Traditional Christianity, as if Evangelicalism is the only thing around when it is an entirely new system relatively speaking. Frankly I am sick of being seen as a second class citizen in a place like this because I practice Ancient Christianity and shun your guys new type Christianity. I am sick of people posting lies like in many threads here and I am sick of people acting like Church is nothing just because they don't think Church is necessary and everyone else should feel the same way
Far out bro, you got issues. I think the Catholics outnumber everyone else on this forum now... You shouldn't be feeling alone. Let me encourage you. Life isn't about what other people think of you... Second class, third class,,, whatever. It's all about what Jesus thinks of you. And let me tell you, He loves you to bits. So don't worry about what other people think... Search your conscience... Study scripture... And pray earnestly that your relationship with Jesus is as it should be and you'll be okay.
 

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Well, first I'm only having a conversation here and if you are comfortable with everything you are doing and you believe this is what Jesus accepts, them go ahead. By the way, I do not identify as Evangelical. And I was Catholic, so I understand much more than you realise.
I have a question. If Christ is in the Eucharist, and you accept him at communion, how long does he stay? If you need to go back next week, why did he leave, and when?
@historyb ??? You may have missed this...
 
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Evangelicals don't and it's not a lie. They have reject Christ Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. As my Bishop says they may be Christians but they are starving to death. That is why Church doesn't mean a lot to you all, because Christ Real Presence is not there.
‘ As my Bishops says ‘ very revealing !!
I can assure you it is a lie.
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