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Apparently, you don't have the capacity to read.

I explained everything in post #150 - and nowhere did I mention anything about singular names.
It's ALL about AUTHORITY. Go back and read the post.

By the way - "Jesus Christ" isn't a name, Einstein - "Jesus" is.
"Christ" is a title . . .
Then why don't you say Jesus when you baptize?

Does the RCC teach the name of the son is son?

Of course they do, son.
 

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Who says the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have a "singular" name?

Perhaps you need to study your Bible . . .
I bet you think the name described in Acts 4:12 is "son".

Of course you do.
 

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Had you done your homework - you would have seen that this was a joke - NOT a real Baptism.
The whole thing was staged as a light-hearted joke.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/priest-says-water-gun-baptism-photo-meant-to-be-funny-51057
“This is what Fr. Steve said about this:
1) The family had requested for him to do this pose as copied from several posts of priests circulating around the internet. He agreed because he thought it was funny.
2) The water in the water gun is not holy water and was squirted towards the dad and not the baby for humor impact,” explained Saint Mark Catholic Church of Manchester, Tennessee in a Facebook post Tuesday.

“Bottom line, it was meant to be for fun,” the parish post added.
The priest in the photo is Fr. Stephen Klasek, who is pastor of two parishes: St. Mark, and Saint Paul the Apostle in nearby Tullahoma. Klasek, a priest of the Diocese of Nashville, has been ordained 37 years.


Maybe someday, the anti-Catholics around here will start doing their homework . . .
I have been ordained for 66 years to go forth and bear fruit.
 

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Had you done your homework - you would have seen that this was a joke - NOT a real Baptism.
The whole thing was staged as a light-hearted joke.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/priest-says-water-gun-baptism-photo-meant-to-be-funny-51057
“This is what Fr. Steve said about this:
1) The family had requested for him to do this pose as copied from several posts of priests circulating around the internet. He agreed because he thought it was funny.
2) The water in the water gun is not holy water and was squirted towards the dad and not the baby for humor impact,” explained Saint Mark Catholic Church of Manchester, Tennessee in a Facebook post Tuesday.

“Bottom line, it was meant to be for fun,” the parish post added.
The priest in the photo is Fr. Stephen Klasek, who is pastor of two parishes: St. Mark, and Saint Paul the Apostle in nearby Tullahoma. Klasek, a priest of the Diocese of Nashville, has been ordained 37 years.


Maybe someday, the anti-Catholics around here will start doing their homework . . .
They did, that is why they are not catholic.
 

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I find it convenient that you have skipped over the importance of the name in baptism as part of our spiritual circumcision.

Sooooo, while you go back and actually address this issue, I will proceed forward with something you have clearly overlooked. And, whether you admit this or not, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not proper names but descriptive titles. Matthew 28:19 specifically describes only one name, not three. We must still ask what is the one proper name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Let's break it down...

1. Without doubt the name of the Son is Jesus, for the angel told Joseph, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS” (Matthew 1:21).

2. Jesus said, “I am come in my Father’s name” (John5:43). He said to the Father, “I have manifested thy name ... I have declared unto them thy name” (John17:6, 26). The Old Testament predicted that the Messiah would declare God's name (Psalm 22:22 and Hebrews 2:12). Jesus received His name by inheritance (Hebrews 1:4). The name that Jesus actually received, came in, manifested, and declared was Jesus. When He performed miracles, it was the name of Jesus that was broadcast from person to person and village to village. In short, the Father has revealed Himself to the world by the name of Jesus.

3. Jesus also said, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things” (John 14:26). People receive the Holy Spirit by turning away from sin and turning to Jesus in faith. In short, they receive the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus.

The proper way to understand, obey, and fulfill Matthew 28:19 is to follow the example of the apostles, the ones to whom Jesus personally gave the command. In short, we are not merely to repeat the words of Matthew 28:19 at baptism, but we are to invoke the name it describes ... the name of Jesus.


God Bless!
User, just a little word of warning. You will get nowhere with bread of life because we are all wrong and he is the only one that is right in his eyes. You don't have discussions with him. You just have to take it as read what he says is right and we are wrong and even though what you say is right it is wrong if he says so.

So save your breath, your time, and your effort and ignore his posts. There are many, many more here you can dialogue with that won't spend all their time putting you in your place.
 

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Hi pearl,

Ritual is something that has been in religion since before Christianity. What is the one ritual that Christian churches practice that you disagree with the most?
Protestants trying to be like Catholics.
 

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1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
 

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There are 12 articles of faith (doctrines) in the Nicene Creed. There is no false dichotomy and no contradictions between Scripture and Doctrines. Doctrines flow from what has been divinely revealed by word or letter, and they must contain core or essential truths as they develop over time. They are not invented. Bible Alone Theology, or sola scriptura, was a radical departure from the true rule of faith (Scripture, Tradition, Magisterium, properly understood). Even the radical anti-Catholic James White admits the Apostles were not sola scripturists. You change the meaning of "doctrines" into something it isn't, which is why so many discussions go nowhere. Perhaps you would be better served lowering your prejudice and keep an open mind.

One small problem which is that you might say you believe what the Nicean Creed says but do you? The Creed says you believe in the Holy Spirit. Just what does that mean?

I could take you to several churches who say they believe in the Holy Spirit and it is obvious by what they do that is the last thing they believe in. Most of them believe in their ability to do do what the denomination demands of them. The Holy Spirit never gets a look in.

So mouthing some belief means nothing if it is not backed up with actions.
 

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YOUR claim that the Father has revealed Himself by the NAME of Jesus is nonsense



John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Congratulations ... you said that this plain clear Scripture is "nonsense" (looks like you hate the name of Jesus and His word too)


Let's continue...

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Psalms 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.


He has revealed Himself in the PERSON of Jesus - not the name (John 1:1, 14, John 14:9).


You are wrong. He has done Both - He has revealed Himself in the person AND His Name.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.


The following are three different accounts of the very same subject matter, which further shows us that the ONE ETERNAL Spirit functions as Father, Son AND Holy Ghost...


Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
[18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
[10] And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
[11] But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
[13] And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
[14] Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
[15] For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.


You can deny and hate His Name all you wish. But remember, He is watching...

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
 
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My observation is that ALL churches lie, -- maybe some more than others, and maybe others more than some. But they ALL lie.


And if I were to add my personal experience, -- one "pastor" in our community was hauled off for child porn; my own "pastor" out and out LIED to me; and a dear "pastor" friend not only lied to me, but was dishonest in our religious discussions. And that doesn't include a subsequent "pastor" from a former church who had sex with a dear married pianist/secretary friend. -- And NONE were Catholic.

So call the kettle "black" all you want, but maybe you should start cleaning your own pot first.
Bobby Jo
This is why the Lord is your shepherd, not man.
 

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Perhaps you missed the sarcasm. -- So I'll repeat what I asserted earlier:

There ain't a church that I "agree with". They're ALL FAILED. And if you don't believe me, join one and it will be imperfect.

Bobby Jo
No, I got the sarcasm. You're implying that if I'm in a Church then it is a failed Church.
However, Christ Himself didn't see it that way (Matt. 16:18). That's why I told you, "Good luck with that".

Once again - you're problem is with Christ - NOT with me . . .
 

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I wonder what the priest is saying. "You will become a Catholic or else."
No, he's probably saying: "This is a staged joke. I wonder how many idiots will think it's real??"
 

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If course He didn't lie. His church did not succumb. But yours did.
Mine goes all the way back to the Apostles - and we have the paper trail and Traditions to prove it.
YOUR SDA sect, however, was dreamed up in the 19th century by false prophets like William Miller and Ellen G. White . . .
 

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It is hilarious looking back when I entered mass and dipping my fingers in dirty holy water and putting it on my body in the sign of the cross.
Nasty doctrine...
Of course it's hilarious - to YOU.

Paul said that the cross would be "foolishness" to many gentiles, just like YOU (1 Cor. 1:23).
WE, however, preach Christ crucified . . .
 

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Then why don't you say Jesus when you baptize?
Does the RCC teach the name of the son is son?
Of course they do, son.
Maybe you should R*E*A*D the following slowly - an pay attention to the detail of Christ's command:

Matt. 28:19-20

Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”

Don't just skim through Scripture - STUDY it.
 

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User, just a little word of warning. You will get nowhere with bread of life because we are all wrong and he is the only one that is right in his eyes. You don't have discussions with him. You just have to take it as read what he says is right and we are wrong and even though what you say is right it is wrong if he says so.

So save your breath, your time, and your effort and ignore his posts. There are many, many more here you can dialogue with that won't spend all their time putting you in your place.


Thank you. Yes I agree that he is a huge waste of time. He never really addresses anything. We all see it. We all know it.

Your work is much appreciated. Keep it up.
God Bless!
 
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