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BreadOfLife said:

... You're implying that if I'm in a Church then it is a failed Church.
However, Christ Himself didn't see it that way (Matt. 16:18). . . .

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Well, being that you're now PERFECT, I must apologize.

Whew,
Bobby Jo

BreadOfLife said:

Once again - you're problem is with Christ - NOT with me . . .

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Now this is no surprise ... You hate the Name of Jesus so much that you cant even speak his Name.

You said "Christ" ... not Jesus.

Now let us reflect back to what YOU said in post #150 ...

BreadOfLife said:

It does NOT mean “recite the actual name” – otherwise, you wouldn’t baptize in the name of “Jesus Christ.”
“Christ” is a TITLE – not a name.

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And, here you are speaking a title (according to YOU) and not “the actual name”

Soooooo, now we know why you deny HIM ... you hate His Name.


I suppose some might speculate that when every knee will BOW at the Name of Jesus ... you will remain standing waiting for the word "son".

Bobby Jo said:

Well, being that you're now PERFECT, I must apologize.

Whew,
Bobby Jo

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Never said I was - HE is.
Again - YOUR problem is with Christ and his promises - not with me.

Either you believe him and what He promised - or you don't.
It's that simple . . .

user said:

Now this is no surprise ... You hate the Name of Jesus so much that you cant even speak his Name.
You said "Christ" ... not Jesus.
Now let us reflect back to what YOU said in post #150 ...

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I don't "hate" the name of "Jesus".
I simply have disdain for those who pervert His message.

user said:

And, here you are speaking a title (according to YOU) and not “the actual name”
Soooooo, now we know why you deny HIM ... you hate His Name.
I suppose some might speculate that when every knee will BOW at the Name of Jesus ... you will remain standing waiting for the word "son".

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And once again - your Scriptural and linguistic ignorance is at the heart of your anger.

I don't "hate" the name of Jesus. I DO, however, understand that "Christ" is NOT His name.
It is a TITLE of His, which means, "Anointed one".
If you don't understand this - I suggest you STUDY your Bible . . .

BreadOfLife said:

... YOUR problem is with Christ and his promises - not with me.
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Nope, -- my "problem" is with humanity and their attempts to define something PERFECT, when they CAN'T because THEY'RE IMPERFECT.

So unless you have PERFECT SET OF MEN correctly interpreting Scripture to NEW WORDS and NEW CONCLUSIONS, you'll NEVER have PERFECT DOCTRINES.

But maybe logic isn't your strong suit, and thus YOU'RE NOT PERFECT, so I hereby rescind my "apology".
Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo said:

Nope, -- my "problem" is with humanity and their attempts to define something PERFECT, when they CAN'T because THEY'RE IMPERFECT.

So unless you have PERFECT SET OF MEN correctly interpreting Scripture to NEW WORDS and NEW CONCLUSIONS, you'll NEVER have PERFECT DOCTRINES.

But maybe logic isn't your strong suit, and thus YOU'RE NOT PERFECT, so I hereby rescind my "apology".
Bobby Jo

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Then you have ONE of TWO problems:
a) You have a problem with Christ because he is a liar and the gates of Hell HAVE triumphed over His Church (Matt. 16:18).
b) You are simply ignorant of the Scriptures.

You see - the Church doesn't require perfect people to be perfect. Christ Himself, who is GOD chose a devil in Judas (John 6:70) to be one of His Apostles and leaders of His Church. He warned that bad people would arise within His Church (Matt. 7:15-23) - and so did Paul (Rom. 16:17-27).

His Church is His BODY of which He is the Head (Col. 1:18). It is the FULLNESS of Him (Eph. 1:22-23) and the pillar and foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

So your problem may be A or B.
My guess is that it's a little of BOTH . . .

BreadOfLife said:

Then you have ONE of TWO problems: . . .

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You know, I defended you and your "church" from idiots, but I guess you're no different.

Next time I'll let you go at each other.
Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo said:

You know, I defended you and your "church" from idiots, but I guess you're no different.

Next time I'll let you go at each other.
Bobby Jo

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Just trying to help you understand.

I always respond when Christ's Church is being misrepresented.
But if you call that "help" - I'll respectfully decline . . .

BreadOfLife said:

... But if you call that "help" - I'll respectfully decline . . .

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Please do!

Bobby Jo

marksman said:

User, just a little word of warning. You will get nowhere with bread of life because we are all wrong and he is the only one that is right in his eyes. You don't have discussions with him. You just have to take it as read what he says is right and we are wrong and even though what you say is right it is wrong if he says so.

So save your breath, your time, and your effort and ignore his posts. There are many, many more here you can dialogue with that won't spend all their time putting you in your place.

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No - I just don't let people get away with lying.
I guess that was just too much for you to take . . .

BreadOfLife said:

And I bet that YOU can't read.
However - if you decide to take a class and learn - here is the linguistic evidence I presented i post #150 that destroys your "Oneness" heresy . . .

Philologists have ALWAYS recognized this to be the case.
According to English Language & Usage Stack Exchange/:
Putting all religious contentions aside for the sake of our language, the etymology of name offers a good place to start understanding: Old English nama, noma "name, REPUTATION," from Proto-Germanic *namon

(cognates: Old Saxon namo, Old Frisian nama, Old High German namo, German Name, Middle Dutch name, Dutch naam, Old Norse nafn, Gothic namo "name"), from PIE *nomn- (cognates: Sanskrit nama; Avestan nama; Greek onoma, onyma; Latin nomen; Old Church Slavonic ime, genitive imene; Russian imya; Old Irish ainm; Old Welsh anu "name").

We've all experienced the power of namedropping in our lives. People respect us and our opinions if they believe we are connected to someone with GREATER REPUTATION AND AUTHORITY.

In all cultures, people of authority have always lent their REPUTATION and their AUTHORITY to their delegates. The founders and leaders of religious movements use the same delegation strategies as the founders and leaders of nations. The English phrase in the name of simply asserts the REPUTATION and AUTHORITY of another person.

English Reports Annotated - Pages 1505-2672, 1505, page 2048:
...an action on a board given to trustees of an industrial society before the act may, after registration under the act, be brought in the name of the newly -incorporated body.

“In the name of” meaning:

Macmillan Dictionary
1. representing someone or something
2. using the authority given by someone or something

Collins Dictionary
1. in appeal or reference to
2. by the authority of; as the representative of

Idioms.TheReferenceDictionary.com
1. Based on the authority of someone or something. We proclaim these things in the name of God. In the name of King John, I command you to halt.
2. With someone or something as a basis, reason, or motivation.

Thesaurus.com
- through - at the hand of
- supported by - through the agency of
- via - with
- through the medium of
- under the aegis of
- with the assistance of

As I indicated before – Jesus commanded the Apostle to Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Peter and the rest of the NT Church understood that Baptizing "in the name of Jesus" was Baptizing by His AUTHORITY.
The fact that YOU and @user and others here don't - speaks VOLUMES about your Scriptural ignorance . . .

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This is proof that you think the name of the son is "son".

You think Acts 4:12 says son too....


12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name (BUT SON) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Right, son?

BreadOfLife said:

Maybe you should R*E*A*D the following slowly - an pay attention to the detail of Christ's command:

Matt. 28:19-20
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”

Don't just skim through Scripture - STUDY it.

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Why don't you say Father, Jesus and Holy Ghost when baptizing?

Is Jesus' name, "son"?

Is your name "son" or is that what you are by definition?

Is a title an equivalent for a name?

Should Trump just sign "son" to these documents he signs and shows to the press?

Does his name mean anything, or will his title do just fine....if not, why not?

Same with water baptism, will the title of Jesus remit sins or the name of Jesus?

BreadOfLife said:

Of course it's hilarious - to YOU.

Paul said that the cross would be "foolishness" to many gentiles, just like YOU (1 Cor. 1:23).
WE, however, preach Christ crucified . . .

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Dipping your fingers in dirty water and touching your forehead and clothes is preaching?

Truther said:

This is proof that you think the name of the son is "son".
You think Acts 4:12 says son too....
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name (BUT SON) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Right, son?

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WRONG again, sparky.

I never mentioned ANY name. My entire argument is about the linguistic truth of the idiom, "In the name of" - which I have MORE than amply proven . . .

Truther said:

Why don't you say Father, Jesus and Holy Ghost when baptizing?
Is Jesus' name, "son"?
Is your name "son" or is that what you are by definition?
Is a title an equivalent for a name?
Should Trump just sign "son" to these documents he signs and shows to the press?
Does his name mean anything, or will his title do just fine....if not, why not?
Same with water baptism, will the title of Jesus remit sins or the name of Jesus?

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Not sure HOW many times you have to be taught this - but here are the words of Jesus Himself:
Matt. 28:19
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit . . ."

Just DO what HE says.
Faith is about surrender obedience - and a disobedient servant won't make it to Heaven (Luke 12:46) . . .

Truther said:

Dipping your fingers in dirty water and touching your forehead and clothes is preaching?

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The sign of the cross and everything about the cross of Christ is foolishness to unbelievers (1 Cor. 1:23).

YOU of ALL people should know that . . .

BreadOfLife said:

The sign of the cross and everything about the cross of Christ is foolishness to unbelievers (1 Cor. 1:23).

YOU of ALL people should know that . . .

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It is also foolishness to believers that read the Bible and realize it is an extra Biblical decree.

BreadOfLife said:

WRONG again, sparky.

I never mentioned ANY name. My entire argument is about the linguistic truth of the idiom, "In the name of" - which I have MORE than amply proven . . .

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No, anything BUT the spoken name of Jesus in water baptism for the RCC baptisms.

They think it best to leave "Jesus" and "Christ" out of it as much as possible, since they started their new religion.

Wise choice on their part.