The Jesuits ... What is their role? Part 1 and 2

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justbyfaith

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Now swap out LDS for SDA and what do you get. Pot calling teh kettle black.

The SDA church, while they also have a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible (He is not God in their estimation), yet have an accurate understanding of how the law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ. Some in the SDA church also do not subscribe to the false doctrine of their borderline pseudo-Christian cult and affirm the Deity of our Lord.

see its fine to go to church, problem is the moment you Join yourself to it, you become one with your church and to do that you have to give up Christ, you cannot serve two masters,

The church is the body of Christ; and therefore to join yourself to it is to join yourself to Christ.

Of course, perhaps what you are trying to say is that there are false churches out there and to join yourself to one of them would in fact amount to idolatry.

and we can have a real conversation. Not one where you just blindly repeat Walter Martin like a tape recorder,

Those were my own words, I wasn't quoting Walter Martin.
 

justbyfaith

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The Jews thought that Christ would be a human warlord king.

He will, in fact, be this, at His second coming.

Some Christians think He is the Son of God.
Some Christians think He is the Almighty God and the creator of the world.
Some believe He is one person and they all created the world and were crucified on the cross all at the same time.

He is all of these things according to the word of God.
 

justbyfaith

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I stand up against people whom are bullying / flaming / persecuting others because such actions are intrinsically sinful. It doesn't matter whom the victim is -- such is sin.
Again, what you define as bullying/flaming/persecuting others is in fact, and always has been, an attempt motivated by love to deliver people from false religious systems in order that they might ultimately be saved.

I pray that the Lord opens your eyes soon.
 

Jane_Doe22

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Those were my own words, I wasn't quoting Walter Martin.
Specific words or not, I feel like I'm talking to a Walter Martin tape recorder. No matter how many times I refute each of his junk claims and logic, showing tons of evidence against it, you always revert back to those same recitations. Over and over again.
Again, what you define as bullying/flaming/persecuting others is in fact, and always has been, an attempt motivated by love to deliver people from false religious systems in order that they might ultimately be saved.

I pray that the Lord opens your eyes soon.
Case and point.
 

justbyfaith

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Specific words or not, I feel like I'm talking to a Walter Martin tape recorder. No matter how many times I refute each of his junk claims and logic, showing tons of evidence against it, you always revert back to those same recitations.
You've never shown any evidence against the claims and logic that I have been putting forth.

Case and point.

Still my own words.
 

justbyfaith

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I have MANY times.
And always get ignored.
Nope. if you have evidence that you are speaking of, show it again.

Better yet, use the quote feature from where you showed it before and bring it to the current table.

You can even provide a link to the post in question by right-clicking on the post # at the top right-hand corner of the post. You will find the "Copy link address" button. Then you can post the link anywhere at your leisure.
 

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Any average encyclopedia would offer a clearer understanding than I regarding the details of how that forgery was used to sustain papal supremacy in Europe and how the principles thereof found their way into "infallible" papal dogma.... Or not.

You claimed "there own church and some of her fundamental principles were founded on a forgery, a forgery used for centuries to substantiate and validate the grossest of thefts and tyrannies." but provide no evidence to support such derogatory claims

Can you give an example of where I addressed you personally in a derogatory way and which would convince you of hatred on my part?
I take lies and insults against my Church personally.
 
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justbyfaith

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@Jane_Doe22,

Here is the claims and logic that I want you to give your evidence about:

The preaching of the Cross is foolishness (i.e. nonsense) to those who are perishing, 1 Corinthians 1:18.

Your christ is not the same christ as the Christ that I worship and adore; he cannot save you.

You say that the things that have been said about the mormon jesus are lies.

Well, if he is the same jesus, why then would we need the book of mormon?

The gospel found in the Bible is then sufficient.

And since there is a strong probability that the gospel of mormonism is in fact a different one, one would be asking for condemnation if they preached or espoused it to anyone (Galatians 1:6-9).

Why then would anyone want to believe in it?

For if we believe in the gospel, and that gospel be true, are we not called to preach it to all of creation?

But if you have a gospel different than that of Paul, to preach it would make you accursed before the Lord (Galatians 1:6-9).

Therefore ask yourself if "for ye are saved by grace, after all that ye can do," coincides with what we find in Titus 3:4-7, for example.

Or if the same doesn't end up robbing you of the teaching of grace to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, since you cannot have grace until after you have done everything in your life to earn it; from my understanding of that verse. And I believe that I also have an understanding that is literal and based on the doctrine that those who preach the gospel do so with "great plainness of speech," (2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv)) and that therefore if the verse in the book of mormon be valid as preaching a gospel, it is preaching a different gospel than what Paul was preaching in Titus 3:4-7 and Titus 2:11-12.

Therefore all who preach it are worthy of being accursed according to Paul's estimation in Galatians 1:6-9.

If you can show that all of this logic is faulty, I might even consider your religion once again.
 

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You shouldn't; especially when the things that are being spoken aren't lies.

I don't mind the truth but much of what is said about the Catholic Church is lies with no attempt at substantiation.
 

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I don't mind the truth but much of what is said about the Catholic Church is lies with no attempt at substantiation.
You want substantiation? Read Fifty Years in the Church of Rome and WEEP. Church history substantiates how the church of Rome has been corrupted ever since Constantine. But that is never good enough.

Roman Catholics should keep in mind that when they do not expose and oppose the evils within their church, they become PARTAKERS of their evil deeds. In criminology that would be "accessories after the fact". The same applies to Mormons or any other group calling themselves Christians.
 
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Concerning one of the prevailing themes of this thread, consider the following:

Pro 27:6, Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
 

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I know of only one Catholic on this site who didn't call everyone else a liar and deceiver if they disagree with Catholic teachings... Version of history... It anything else remotely "Catholic". Even calling the Catholic Church Roman came under attack from everyone every time it's mentioned... Yet it is a Roman church! By the way, I'm speaking of @aspen who I haven't seen for a while.

@Philip James Is very 'gentle and respectful too' , I don't believe I have ever seen him disrespectful , even when he would kinda be in his right to answer back in anger. He's a nice brother .

Aspen in fine, I have him as a friend on Facebook. He just doesn't show up here as much as he used to. I was missing you too for a while there and wondered if you had left us. Glad that you are still here :)
 
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Helen

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I take lies and insults against my Church personally.

Can I ask you why?
I wouldn't.

I don't read anywhere where we are told to defend anything.

We don't have to defend truth, though many of this board believe that it is their calling...how arrogant is that...as if they could. LOL

Some even believe they are to defend God...as if He needed it , and as if they really can!!

Now young David did say- "Is there not a cause", and he set off to kill Goliath in the name of the Lord. And David killed him in the name of the Lord. We are to speak with and in the authority of the Lord, His word is in our mouth. But I would never defend what I believe , yet , as the bible says- " Be ready to give account to anyone who asks the reason of the hope within you. " I will answer when asked for my belief on any given subject.

Blessings H