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That is a GREAT question.
Maybe somebody here can answer that because it happen A LOT around here . . .
The Jesuits ... What is their role? Part 1 and 2
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Maybe somebody here can answer that because it happen A LOT around here . . .
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Ummmmm, apparently - you don't R*E*A*D the posts.
I wasn't the one who brought these things up. I was merely responding to them.
As for the Inquisition - there have just about as many lies and fairy tales told about it as the Crusades.
My favorite lie is about the "tens of millions" of people who were put to death during this time - which would have MORE than wiped out the entire population of ALL of Europe . . .
There is no logic to God thats why it confounds the wise, or those who think they are. For you its just Daughter being Jealous of Mum.
Why not bring it up? Is there a fear of exposure..... to self? or is it easier to continue living in denial and misrepresentation?
Misrepresentation?? yeahhhh....how often has it been said here that it is the RC system that is the culprit....the people are pawns and are not blamed nor is it held against them.....yet it is put out again and again and again that the Catholic people are targeted. Just on this one point its defenders shoot themselves in the foot.
'There is nothing hidden that won't be revealed'.....'What you have heard in inner rooms, proclaim from the housetops' - Jesus.....but of course the Jesus of history just as the history of God's people under the thumb of religious oppression is not something that's popular with oppressors......they need to construct their own stories on these matters.....they need to delete the history of their evil deeds as quickly as they occur.
God in his providence has made sure this history is available to all who seek it in spite of the concerted efforts to eradicate and deny it.
The second angels message of Revelation 14:8 proclaims 'Babylon is fallen, is fallen.....' You may as well hold back the tide as hold back the history of the perpetrators of what we today know as the Dark Ages....and for good reason.
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"It has been estimated that the victims of the Spanish Inquisition outnumber those of heathen Rome, and that more Protestants were executed by the Spaniards in a single reign, and in a single province of Holland, than Christians in the Roman empire during the first three centuries." (The History of the Church by Philip Schaff)
Even the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia has a very lengthy entry on the Inquisition. While they try to justify it and minimize the numbers (as is to be expected) they had no choice but to document what went on with burnings at the stake and torture to elicit confessions, not to mention many other punishments which are not authorized by Christ:
...In the second half of the twelfth century, however, heresy in the form of Catharism* spread in truly alarming fashion, and not only menaced the Church's existence, but undermined the very foundations of Christian society. In opposition to this propaganda there grew up a kind of prescriptive law — at least throughout Germany, France, and Spain — which visited heresy with death by the flames... But one of the difficulties of the procedure is why torture was used as a means of learning the truth. On the one hand, the torture was continued until the accused confessed or intimated that he was willing to confess. On the other hand, it was not desired, as in fact it was not possible, to regard as freely made a confession wrung by torture... And the excesses of the Spanish Inquisition are largely due to the fact that in its administration civil purposes overshadowed the ecclesiastical...
*Note: While the Catholic Church calls Cathars heretics, they may actually have been "good" Christians opposed to Rome (just like the Reformers).
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All this rehashing of doubtful history is mostly irrelevant, isn't it? What do we make of the current influence of the Jesuits? Donald Trump went to a Jesuit school. Dr. Fauci did, and both of Trump's appointments to the Supreme Court did.
Ye lot of that going around, problem is when you are used to eating rubbish, anything taste better.
Brakelite
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As well as Bill Clinton and numerous other political leaders. One has to be fairly blind not to see the implications... If you understand Jesuit education.
Is it a coincidence that they both made a hash out of the pandemic response? And is that why Trump is hanging on to Fraud Fauci?
It seems odd to me too that both people Trump appointed to the Supreme Court went to Jesuit schools.
I think part of the explanation is that the Jesuits are well known for giving their students good educations. Maybe Protestants schools need to improve.
Oh yes, Clinton went to Georgetown. By the way, Tiffany Trump just graduated from Georgetown Law School.
Tiffany Trump graduates from law school - CNNPolitics
President Donald Trump on Wednesday tweeted his congratulations to Tiffany Trump, the fourth of his five children, in support of her graduation from law school. Tiffany Trump took part in virtual commencement ceremonies, along with the rest of the class of 2020, from Georgetown Law School on Saturday.
"Great student, great school," tweeted the President. "Just what I need is a lawyer in the family. Proud of you, Tiff!" A White House official told CNN Trump has invited his daughter to the White House Wednesday to congratulate her in person.
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And a large number of other true believers named after various leaders who the establishment church didn't like... Hussites...petrobrussians...Waldensians...
Albigenses... And we only have Catholic opinions at to their real beliefs. Oh, one could even as the Arians. And one thing they all had in common. They were hated by Rome who attempted to destroy them.
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You might be shocked if you found out what the Cathars actually believed. They didn't think people should have children. Marriage was forbidden then. Catholics sometimes said (who knows if it's true) that the men had gay sex with each other.
They also didn't believe in the resurrection.
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And once again - these were matters of STATE - not Rome. The actual numbers of deaths during the 400 years of the Inquisitions total about 4000, which is a FAR cry from the "millions" reported by anti-Catholics. It is also a FAR cry from the tens of thousands of Catholics murdered during the reigns of Henry VIII and his daughter Elizabeth I.
As for the Cathars and Albigensians and other heretic groups – you REALLY need to do your homework here as well.
The Cathars had multiple sects and had in common a teaching that the world was created by an evil god. This meant that ALL matter was evil. They believed that we should only worship the “good” God instead.
The Albigensians were formed from one of the largest Cathar sects. They believed that the body was evil and was created by an evil god – while the spirit alone was created by God, which was good. Child-bearing was considered to be one of the greatest evils a person could do because “imprisoned” another spirit in flesh. That’s why they forbade marriage, which was ALSO considered “evil” - but fornication was NOT. Imagine that . . .
These groups were anything BUT faithful Christians.
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