Justification by Faith

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bbyrd009

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We don't make

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so, wadr i tried that way, and found that i was unable to confess under that system ("under the law"), which im sure you will initially want to resist prolly, but i quoted you in this manner to kinda show how "law" is operating (or rather not operating) here, "Behold," which i hope you might consider in the spirit given, as i still easily fall back into Law myself
 

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I get your belief you are right and others are wrong. Do you actually believe in grace or is it just an idea, and if someone says something you do not like, they are just wrong?

I suggested one idea, just one idea, not two or three, not bondage or everything else you have described.
The idea is this

To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Rev 3:21

Now who is the one who overcomes? It is not Jesus, because He has overcome. So the test is will the believer overcome. But in your theology there is no overcoming, we have got it all now. Except that means your lampstand will be taken away and you will be caste out.

So there is your dilemma. If we have to do nothing, why are we called to learn, to listen, to obey, to build, to follow, to work, to change, to be transformed, to put on the full armour of God etc. Scripture is so full of action to follow a passive faith is simply not Christian. It is why christians were known for the protestant work ethic. God expects us to work for Him in all we do, Amen.
nice imo. Now i also believe that many Prots would cut a tree down to build a birdhouse lol, maybe send missions to do a buncha busy-body type work, so iow i guess that can be taken too far too, like prolly pretty much anything, so it might be worth saying in here somewhere that doing nothing can sometimes be a lot of work?
 

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boy, that is subtle, but i guess that might be a pivotal v there, yeh

i def tried to help Yah quite a bit as a raging Codependent, and i guess it def had to be "my way" then lol. But is it like that for me now? It sure could be, in a heartbeat, not gonna lie
Sometimes we have received a revelation but only in part. We got so excited at the first part heard that we ran off to share it or implement it before God finished talking... missing as a result perhaps the most important part of the message. So we continue to stand on a message seen through darkened glass or an incomplete message when we could have already had the whole thing.

"For now we see through a glass, darkly;... now I know in part;..." I Cor 13:12

What did I leave out? "but then face to face". On some things the "face to face" may have already been offered to me but I ran away following my own head [going my own way] before I heard it. Probably everyone has such experiences but many of them don't know it and being hard headed won't admit to possibility that they have less than what they need to complete the 'sentence'. Did they leave out or the subject or the predicate or the verb?
 
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'But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
.. being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
.... Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
...... unto all and upon all them that believe:
for there is no difference:
.. For all have sinned,
.... and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by His grace
.. through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth
.. to be a propitiation through faith in His blood,
.... to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
...... through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
.. that He might be just,
.... and the justifier of Him which believeth in Jesus.'

(Rom 3:21-26)

Hello there,

The believer is justified 'freely' by God's grace (unmerited favour) through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

David spoke of it: as Paul tells us in Romans 4:6-8:-

'For what saith the scripture?
Abraham believed God,
and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly,
his faith is counted for righteousness.
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man,
unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying,

"Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
and whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."'

(Rom 4:3)

It was necessary that sin should be righteously dealt with, and that has been done, in Christ Jesus; but it is the glory of the gospel that the same love that prompted our redemption and our deliverance can provide gratuitously, freely and without cause (except in the great love of God Himself) 'a righteousness of God apart from law.'

Praise God for His wondrous grace!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Paul's teaching on sin and the Law of Moses was 8 chapters long. Taking any of the chapters from the middle and making doctrines out of them and separating them from the conclusion - chapter 8 - will definitely lead to incomprehensible false doctrines. For anyone to think God shuts His eyes to sin and darkness doesn't know anything about the nature of God. I've seen it done with chapters 3, 4, 5 and 7. Oy vey! Chapter 8 is Jesus took away our sin; therefore no need for the law. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ has freed us from the law of sin and death. Grace is NOT unmerited favor and all the covered up practice of sin that goes with that erroneous definition. Grace is the power of God to partake of the devine nature! 2 Peter 1:2-4

Reading some of the posts here makes me shudder!

Listen to Jesus, NOT the the Reformationists!

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
 
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