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Truther

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Not sure HOW many times you have to be taught this - but here are the words of Jesus Himself:
Matt. 28:19
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit . . ."

Just DO what HE says.
Faith is about surrender obedience - and a disobedient servant won't make it to Heaven (Luke 12:46) . . .
Per the verse, what is the name of the son if thou canst tell?
 
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YOU keep telling me His name is "Jesus Christ".
Mary's Son is named "Jesus".

"Christ" is a TITLE.
Jesus is not a title, so say it for once in your life at water baptism so you can finally get someones sins remitted.

No power to remit per the titles.
 
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"Extrabiblical"??

What is "extrabiblical" about . . .
Matt 16:19
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

Just because YOU think Jesus is a liar doesn't mean that He IS . . .
You think you can make stuff up out of thin air and enforce them per those verses?

LOL
 
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Jesus is not a title, so say it for once in your life at water baptism so you can finally get someones sins remitted.
No power to remit per the titles.
And I didn't say that "Jesus" was a title.
I said that "Christ was a title" - yet YOU baptize in the "name" of "Jesus Christ".

Jesus Himself said to Baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19).
ALL THREE of the Persons of the Trinity must be invoked in order for their Authority to be realized.
 

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WRONG again.

There is not ONE SINGLE description of a Baptism in ALL of the New Testament.
In other words - you will NOT find ONE verse that describes HOW a Baptism is actually performed.
NOWHERE is full immersion or pouring every described.
NOWHERE are the words of Baptism laid out.


Whew ... your ignorance is truly staggering...

Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Sorry but a growing number of people have already considered you discredited. You are nothing but a hypocrite.


The cross of Christ - and everything about it is foolishness to a non-believer.
When you read Scripture in a wooden, literal sense as you are doing now - you fail to understand it.

Here you are simply trying to wiggle out of the fact that your LIES have been exposed. You have added to the word of God and you are on record as such.


Your last point is reeeeaaally stupid.

When I was baptized into "the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" as Jesus commanded (Matt. 28:19) - I WAS baptized into Jesus Christ, by His AUTHORITY.


Nope! Give me ONE scripture whereby ANYONE was baptized having the words "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" pronounced over them. If You have it (and you don't) then cough it up.
 

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You think you can make stuff up out of thin air and enforce them per those verses?

LOL
Nope - not ME.
The leaders of Christ's Church and their successors were given this guarantee.

Jesus didn't give this guarantee to the crowds - but only to His inner circle.
 

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Whew ... your ignorance is truly staggering...

Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Sorry but a growing number of people have already considered you discredited. You are nothing but a hypocrite.

Here you are simply trying to wiggle out of the fact that your LIES have been exposed. You have added to the word of God and you are on record as such.

Nope! Give me ONE scripture whereby ANYONE was baptized having the words "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" pronounced over them. If You have it (and you don't) then cough it up.
You just proved my point.

In Acts 8:36, they went down into the the water. You don't climb UP into a river or lake - you climb DOWN into a rover or a lake.
I have never seen a river or lake that was UP over somebody'd head that they had to climb UP to. Not ONE verse about immersion . . .

You ALSO proved my point by your silence because you couldn't find ONE SINGLE verse of somebody being Baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ." The people are TOLD to be Baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ" (Acts 2:38) - which I already showed you with several scholarly references, simply means "by the AUTHORITY of" Jesus Christ.
 

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... You are nothing but a hypocrite. ...

It seems to me that @BreadOfLife isn't so much a "hypocrite" as he is twisting words to defend men's doctrines, when we should be using integrity to defend Scripture. It's unfortunate that so many so-called Christians allow their Religion to supersede Scripture, but it happens in ALL Denominations. So although it's easy to fault @BreadOfLife for defending his FALSE church doctrines, the same could be equally applied to others in this Forum, probably including the both of us.

But you're CLEARLY correct in your assessment of immersion "water baptism", and @BreadOfLife is CLEARLY attempting to obscure Scriptural FACTS, although to me it really doesn't make a difference whether by "sprinkling", pouring a cup of water over a persons head, or by full immersion. It's simply a physical manifestation of the Spiritual Cleansing.

Bobby Jo
 
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Nope - not ME.
The leaders of Christ's Church and their successors were given this guarantee.

Jesus didn't give this guarantee to the crowds - but only to His inner circle.
I see, the original Apostles are the Roman Catholic Church priests.

How powerful.

"Whatsoever you make up on earth will be made up in heaven..."

Ick!
 
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And I didn't say that "Jesus" was a title.
I said that "Christ was a title" - yet YOU baptize in the "name" of "Jesus Christ".

Jesus Himself said to Baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19).
ALL THREE of the Persons of the Trinity must be invoked in order for their Authority to be realized.
Acts 2:38 King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I baptize in the same name Peter did.

You shun that name.
 

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You just proved my point.

In Acts 8:36, they went down into the the water. You don't climb UP into a river or lake - you climb DOWN into a rover or a lake.
I have never seen a river or lake that was UP over somebody'd head that they had to climb UP to. Not ONE verse about immersion


What??? OK I'm really questioning your sanity ... of course one goes down into a river ... Whew!

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Mark 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:


You ALSO proved my point by your silence because you couldn't find ONE SINGLE verse of somebody being Baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ." The people are TOLD to be Baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ" (Acts 2:38)


Ok this only further proves your ignorance ... here is the scripture which you are now on record as stating does not exist...

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Yep ... sigh
 
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It seems to me that @BreadOfLife isn't so much a "hypocrite" as he is twisting words to defend men's doctrines, when we should be using integrity to defend Scripture. It's unfortunate that so many so-called Christians allow their Religion to supersede Scripture, but it happens in ALL Denominations. So although it's easy to fault @BreadOfLife for defending his FALSE church doctrines, the same could be equally applied to others in this Forum, probably including the both of us.

But you're CLEARLY correct in your assessment of immersion "water baptism", and @BreadOfLife is CLEARLY attempting to obscure Scriptural FACTS, although to me it really doesn't make a difference whether by "sprinkling", pouring a cup of water over a persons head, or by full immersion. It's simply a physical manifestation of the Spiritual Cleansing.

Bobby Jo
And your confusion can be encapsulated by your comment above in RED.

There are several things wrong with this remark - not the LEAST of which is the fact that you simply don't understand just WHAT the Church actually IS. Allow me to educate you from Scripture . . .
- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6). He promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- Jesus told the leaders of His Church that WHATEVER they bound or loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).
- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).


You see - it's NOT the "Church OR Christ". They are INDIVISIBLE.

As for Scripture - NOWHERE does the Bible itself state that the Bible is our "sole Authority".
The Bible DOES, however, state that Christ's CHURCH is our FINAL earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

So, YOU can go with the 16th century man-made invention of "Sola Scriptura" - and I'll go with Christ . . .
 

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Since you and your anti-Catholic "Oneness" buddies keep screwing up and repeating the same blunder - I though now would be a good time for a refresher.
From Post #150 - refute THIS:

Philologists have ALWAYS recognized this to be the case.
According to English Language & Usage Stack Exchange/:
Putting all religious contentions aside for the sake of our language, the etymology of name offers a good place to start understanding: Old English nama, noma "name, REPUTATION," from Proto-Germanic *namon

(cognates: Old Saxon namo, Old Frisian nama, Old High German namo, German Name, Middle Dutch name, Dutch naam, Old Norse nafn, Gothic namo "name"), from PIE *nomn- (cognates: Sanskrit nama; Avestan nama; Greek onoma, onyma; Latin nomen; Old Church Slavonic ime, genitive imene; Russian imya; Old Irish ainm; Old Welsh anu "name").


We've all experienced the power of
namedropping in our lives. People respect us and our opinions if they believe we are connected to someone with GREATER REPUTATION AND AUTHORITY.

In all cultures, people of authority have always lent their
REPUTATION and their AUTHORITY to their delegates. The founders and leaders of religious movements use the same delegation strategies as the founders and leaders of nations
. The English phrase in the name of simply asserts the REPUTATION and AUTHORITY of another person.

English Reports Annotated - Pages 1505-2672, 1505, page 2048:

...an action on a board given to trustees of an industrial society before the act may, after registration under the act, be brought in the name of the newly -incorporated body.

“In the name of” meaning:

Macmillan Dictionary
1. representing someone or something
2. using the authority given by someone or something

Collins Dictionary
1. in appeal or reference to
2. by the authority of; as the representative of

Idioms.TheReferenceDictionary.com
1. Based on the authority of someone or something. We proclaim these things in the name of God. In the name of King John, I command you to halt.
2. With someone or something as a basis, reason, or motivation.

Thesaurus.com
- through
- at the hand of
- supported by - through the agency of
- via - with
- through the medium of
- under the aegis of
- with the assistance of


As I indicated before – Jesus commanded the Apostle to Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Peter and the rest of the NT Church understood that Baptizing "in the name of Jesus" was Baptizing by His AUTHORITY.
Typical RCC commentary attempting to debunk Acts 2:38.

Fact is, everyone in the N.T. church was always and only baptized in the name of Jesus.

Nobody was ever baptized in the titles.

The titles style of baptism was introduced hundreds of years later from mass commentary.

The name of Jesus was eventually eliminated during water baptism by the RCC.

Who would have wanted Jesus name omitted other than the devil, anyway?
 

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And in your abject ignorance - you use the term "Roman" Catholic Church again - even AFTER I educated you on the matter.

There is only "The Catholic Church". "Roman" simply refers to one of about TWENTY Liturgical Rites that incluse the Melkite, Maronite, Byzantine, Coptic and others.

They are ALL in FULL communion with each other AND with the Pope.
Nice try - but you failed again . . .
This looks nicer....

"Whatsoever doctrine or creed you invent will be law in heaven".

"They will do whatever you command or it's hell for them"....thus saith the Popes.
 

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Typical RCC commentary attempting to debunk Acts 2:38.
Fact is, everyone in the N.T. church was always and only baptized in the name of Jesus.
Nobody was ever baptized in the titles.

The titles style of baptism was introduced hundreds of years later from mass commentary.

The name of Jesus was eventually eliminated during water baptism by the RCC.

Who would have wanted Jesus name omitted other than the devil, anyway?
Complete hypocrisy and contradiction . . .

FIRST, you say that I was trying to "debunk" Acts 2:28, which says to be Baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ."

THEN, you say that "Nobody" was ever Baptized in the titles.
What do you think "CHRIST" is, Einstein. It's a TITLE that means, "Anointed One."

Your ignorance just blows me away . . .
 

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This looks nicer....
"Whatsoever doctrine or creed you invent will be law in heaven".
"They will do whatever you command or it's hell for them"....thus saith the Popes.
Nope - there's NOTHING nicer than the words of Jesus Himself - and HE told the leaders of HIS Church:

Matt 16:16-19
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matt. 18:15-18
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

John 16:12-15

“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

Nothin' like good ol' God-given Church Authority . . .
 
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