'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

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'Behold, I shew you a mystery;
We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
and this mortal shall have put on immortality,

then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory.


'O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, my beloved brethren,
be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord,
forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.'

(1 Corinthians 15:55)

Hello there,

I have begun a study on resurrection, and began with reading through 1 Corinthians 15, a wonderful chapter on that subject.

The verses above show clearly that it is at the moment of our resurrection from the dead that death for us will be swallowed up in victory. Not at the moment of our death, but at our resurrection from the dead, which is yet to come.

Do you have any comment.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

How interesting Chris,
I had always thought of "'O death, where is thy sting? as a fear of death being removed when saved. I can say that that was the first thing that I lost when submitting to Him fully.
I will read 1 Corinthians 15 now and see if my muddled brain can see what you see.
In Him always!
Nancy
 

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What is the problem with your statement and marks argument is you are only focusing on our body of flesh, rather than what Jesus came to do - take away our sin.
Surely I've been more clear than this!

Jesus died a righteous death - a paradox actually. Because a righteous man is to live. Yet having completed His obedience, He released His Spirit in death. But being righteous, He inherited the eternal life promised before creation, and returned from among the dead.

And God, now revealing the mystery hid from ages past, that it would not just be Jesus, but "I, and the children God has given me", His children, born from God, sharing the live possessed by the Son.

The Adamic Humanity judged and condemned, but we are now made alive from among the dead, justified in our new creation, righteous and holy, no longer the man of sin, no longer bearing his guilt or stain. Now we are taken out of Adam and are alive in Christ, the new humanity, God's spirit children.

Yet for all this, I'm still in that old Adamic body. And it will die. But one day I won't be subject to death, and then will be fulfilled, death is swallowed up in victory.

Much love!
 

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How interesting Chris,
I had always thought of "'O death, where is thy sting? as a fear of death being removed when saved. I can say that that was the first thing that I lost when submitting to Him fully.
I will read 1 Corinthians 15 now and see if my muddled brain can see what you see.
In Him always!
Nancy
It's a glorious chapter! :)
 

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How interesting Chris,
I had always thought of "'O death, where is thy sting? as a fear of death being removed when saved. I can say that that was the first thing that I lost when submitting to Him fully.
I will read 1 Corinthians 15 now and see if my muddled brain can see what you see.
In Him always!
Nancy
Hi Nancy,

My read on this is that "Death is swallowed up in victory" is what is fulfilled in our resurrection to incorruptibility, but then Paul goes on to ask, O death, where is thy sting? There is death, and there is the sting of death. Death hurts us because of our sin, and the Law gives it that power.

But God has rescued us from our sin, therefore death no longer has any sting. And one day death itself will be swallowed up in victory.

Much love!
 

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Surely I've been more clear than this!

Jesus died a righteous death - a paradox actually. Because a righteous man is to live. Yet having completed His obedience, He released His Spirit in death. But being righteous, He inherited the eternal life promised before creation, and returned from among the dead.

And God, now revealing the mystery hid from ages past, that it would not just be Jesus, but "I, and the children God has given me", His children, born from God, sharing the live possessed by the Son.

The Adamic Humanity judged and condemned, but we are now made alive from among the dead, justified in our new creation, righteous and holy, no longer the man of sin, no longer bearing his guilt or stain. Now we are taken out of Adam and are alive in Christ, the new humanity, God's spirit children.

Yet for all this, I'm still in that old Adamic body. And it will die. But one day I won't be subject to death, and then will be fulfilled, death is swallowed up in victory.

Much love!

We will all be resurrected, even the wicked. So where is the lack of the sting of death? It is the absence of SIN, wherein lies the Victory. For then is eternal life, that our spirit HAS ALREADY TAKEN ON WHEN BORN AGAIN. Without being born again, there is no Victory, but an eternal sting of death.
 
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1 Corinthians 15:23-28
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
 

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1 Corinthians 15:23-28
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
Great passage! :)
 

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Hi Nancy,

My read on this is that "Death is swallowed up in victory" is what is fulfilled in our resurrection to incorruptibility, but then Paul goes on to ask, O death, where is thy sting? There is death, and there is the sting of death. Death hurts us because of our sin, and the Law gives it that power.

But God has rescued us from our sin, therefore death no longer has any sting. And one day death itself will be swallowed up in victory.

Much love!
um, pretty sure death has already been swallowed up in victory? Or i mean maybe i have that wrong; do you have a Quote for "one day death itself will be swallowed up in victory?" ty
 

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How interesting Chris,
I had always thought of "'O death, where is thy sting? as a fear of death being removed when saved. I can say that that was the first thing that I lost when submitting to Him fully.
I will read 1 Corinthians 15 now and see if my muddled brain can see what you see.
In Him always!
Nancy

You're already right, Nancy.
 
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How interesting Chris,
I had always thought of "'O death, where is thy sting? as a fear of death being removed when saved. I can say that that was the first thing that I lost when submitting to Him fully.
I will read 1 Corinthians 15 now and see if my muddled brain can see what you see.
In Him always!
Nancy

Yikes...that is allot of study! I will def have to read several versions, line by line. I do have questions though :)

8 and last of all, as to the [child] untimely born, he appeared to me also.

23 "But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming." <--- Okay, so we are raised with glorified bodies, just as Jesus was -at His coming. So, if we are all raised at His coming, what does "each in his own order" mean?
You have chosen a packed study here Chris, and it would take awhile to for me to "get" some of this. Looking forward to seeing what others reply with.
In Him,
Nancy

 

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8 and last of all, as to the [child] untimely born, he appeared to me also.
Wow Nancy ...never noticed that before. Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

Stands out when Job opened his mouth and cursed his day saying later
Job 3:16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.


Never paid attention that it said something similar in 1 Corinthians. Ecclesiastes 6:2-3, Revelation 6:13
 

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“Buried with Him in death, raised to new life in Him” sound fam to anyone?

Ecclesiastes 6:3 If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he.

“Buried with Him in death, raised to new life in Him” sound fam to anyone?”
 

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Wow Nancy ...never noticed that before. Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

Stands out when Job opened his mouth and cursed his day saying later
Job 3:16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.


Never paid attention that it said something similar in 1 Corinthians. Ecclesiastes 6:2-3, Revelation 6:13
That's because Job just as Paul at that time didn't know Jesus, this is why Job spent some 30 chapters claiming Jobs righteousness.
 

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'Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [die physically], but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Far too many Christians have failed to see that is a reference to the Resurrection/Rapture. Not just the Resurrection, and not just the Rapture. The two events are almost simultaneous and accomplished within nanoseconds, as mentioned here as well as in 1 Thessalonians 4. Paul sums it up as "and [1] the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and [2] we [the living] shall be changed".

Of course this is where death is metaphorically "swallowed up" in victory, but only for Christians. Those who are alive at the Rapture shall be "changed" or "transformed" or perfected, and will never face death. And all the saints will be taken up to Heaven by the Lord.

At the Resurrection/Rapture Christ will personally bring with Him the souls and spirits of all the saints who died earlier, so that they may be joined to their resurrected, perfected, glorified, and immortal bodies. At the same time the saints who are alive on that day will be gathered and perfected, also receiving glorified bodies, in order to enter into Heaven. This is a tremendous Christian truth, yet too many Christians are not being taught the meaning of the Resurrection/Rapture. This is all based upon the merits of Christ Himself, not the merits or demerits of believers.

Yet we still have naysayers rejecting the doctrine of the Resurrection/Rapture, and scoffing at the idea that all the saints will be in the New Jerusalem in Heaven.
 

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Yikes...that is allot of study! I will def have to read several versions, line by line.
Several versions will simply muddle your brain even more. Stick to one version (the King James Bible) and use all legitimate study tools for clarification.
 
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1 CORINTHIANS 15:THE RESURRECTION OF THE BELIEVER IS GUARANTEED

1. DENIAL OF THE RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS IS FALSE
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

2. DENIAL OF THE RESURRECTION MEANS THE DENIAL OF CHRIST'S RESURRECTION
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

3. DENIAL OF THE RESURRECTION MEANS DENIAL OF SALVATION
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

4. CHRIST IS THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THE RESURRECTION "HARVEST"
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

5. CHRIST WILL HAND BACK TO THE FATHER THE KINGDOM OF GOD
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

6. PAUL WAS IN JEOPARDY WHILE PREACHING THE RESURRECTION
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? 30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? 31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. 33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

7. RESURRECTED BODIES ARE DIFFERENT FROM MORTAL BODIES
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

8. RESURRECTED BODIES ARE INCORRUPTIBLE AND IMMORTAL
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

9. ADAM WAS OF THE EARTH BUT CHRIST IS FROM HEAVEN
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

10. THE MYSTERY OF THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE REVEALED
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

THIS DOCTRINE IS MEANT TO STRENGTHEN CHRISTIANS
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
 
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'Behold, I shew you a mystery;
We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
and this mortal shall have put on immortality,

then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory.


'O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, my beloved brethren,
be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord,
forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.'

(1 Corinthians 15:55)

Hello there,

I have begun a study on resurrection, and began with reading through 1 Corinthians 15, a wonderful chapter on that subject.

The verses above show clearly that it is at the moment of our resurrection from the dead that death for us will be swallowed up in victory. Not at the moment of our death, but at our resurrection from the dead, which is yet to come.

Do you have any comment.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Yeah, it's clear as crystal. I find it difficult to understand how the various theories re death and resurrection that don't align with this scripture can be held.
 
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