"Pushing the Homosexual Agenda"

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Waiting on him

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BTW, given some of the verses in the Bible (Ezekiel 23 for example) that are rather explicit, do you think it should also come with a warning label?
Absolutely, most of the verses are a warning. I believe God's initial intent for sexual relationship between a man and woman, which we today call marriage, because it originally is an institution of God, was meant to produce children. I believe with homosexuality it's only focus is gratification.

We've also got to remember that at the time these scripture were pinned. There were some very nasty cultures surrounding the people the very scripture was written to.
 

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I agree, when I call for censorship I'm actually referring to the children programs, because I believe informed decision is the best decision. The broke back mt mt not a good ref.
Well, censorship would be to ban the film or to mandate editing out portions that are deemed offensive. What you're calling for is just labeling.

Absolutely, most of the verses are a warning.
I gotta say, you caught me off guard with that! I didn't expect a Christian to agree that the Bible should come with a warning label.

I believe God's initial intent for sexual relationship between a man and woman, which we today call marriage, because it originally is an institution of God, was meant to produce children. I believe with homosexuality it's only focus is gratification.
If that's what you believe, then I guess you shouldn't be gay, eh? And I'm totally fine with that as long as we all understand that no one else should be forced to live according to your religious beliefs.

We've also got to remember that at the time these scripture were pinned. There were some very nasty cultures surrounding the people the very scripture was written to.
Sure. Context is always important.
 
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If that's what you believe, then I guess you shouldn't be gay, eh? And I'm totally fine with that as long as we all understand that no one else should be forced to live according to your religious beliefs.

Interestingly I felt this way before I became a Christian. I don't know that I'd consider myself religious, nor would I advocate religion either.
 

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Interestingly I felt this way before I became a Christian. I don't know that I'd consider myself religious, nor would I advocate religion either.
Well I guess that would take us into a discussion of the definition of "religion" and "religious", which is kinda outside the thread topic.

The main point I'm trying to convey here is that there are actually quite a few areas within LGBTQ issues where a lot of Christians and I are in agreement. We seem to agree that it shouldn't be illegal to be LGBTQ, LGBTQs shouldn't be thrown in prison, and they should be allowed to be live their lifestyles openly, including being in movies and shows. We also agree that Christians who see their lifestyles as sinful, depraved, etc., should be free to express those views.

I think what generates the most controversy and conflict stems from how society responds to the Christians who express those sorts of views. When a Christian says some of the things about gays we've seen here the government doesn't do anything, but the public will. If it's a prominent Christian saying those things, the public may indeed push back in some very consequential ways (e.g., boycotts).

And I think that's what's really behind much of the angry and hateful rhetoric coming from some Christians. Basically, the culture wars on this are largely over and the Christians have lost. Many Christian organizations put a lot of time and resources towards trying to keep gays from having basic civil rights and tried their best to keep gays from marrying, but for the most part it was a failed effort. That's gotta sting a bit, and I think given how quickly it all turned around there's still quite a bit of resentment and anger about it.

So I'm hoping that the whole thing eventually settles into a "live and let live" situation and we can all just move on.
 

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Well I guess that would take us into a discussion of the definition of "religion" and "religious", which is kinda outside the thread topic.

The main point I'm trying to convey here is that there are actually quite a few areas within LGBTQ issues where a lot of Christians and I are in agreement. We seem to agree that it shouldn't be illegal to be LGBTQ, LGBTQs shouldn't be thrown in prison, and they should be allowed to be live their lifestyles openly, including being in movies and shows. We also agree that Christians who see their lifestyles as sinful, depraved, etc., should be free to express those views.

I think what generates the most controversy and conflict stems from how society responds to the Christians who express those sorts of views. When a Christian says some of the things about gays we've seen here the government doesn't do anything, but the public will. If it's a prominent Christian saying those things, the public may indeed push back in some very consequential ways (e.g., boycotts).

And I think that's what's really behind much of the angry and hateful rhetoric coming from some Christians. Basically, the culture wars on this are largely over and the Christians have lost. Many Christian organizations put a lot of time and resources towards trying to keep gays from having basic civil rights and tried their best to keep gays from marrying, but for the most part it was a failed effort. That's gotta sting a bit, and I think given how quickly it all turned around there's still quite a bit of resentment and anger about it.

So I'm hoping that the whole thing eventually settles into a "live and let live" situation and we can all just move on.
I'd say the biggest problem with the " religious" is they believe they are to judge outside of the body in the first place. This is not what scripture says to me.
 

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I'd say the biggest problem with the " religious" is they believe they are to judge outside of the body in the first place. This is not what scripture says to me.
It does seem like a lot of religious folks enjoy judging others. Seems rather shallow and insecure to me.
 

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Exposing children to sexual concepts has always been wrong in western culture, same with homosexuality.

Now they're exposing this lgdt rubbish to kids, indoctrinating them to believe it is righteous.
Anyone who opposes is condemned. Make no doubt about it folks, this is the work of Satan.

Public Schools are a Government Entity.
Nearly every Author of Public School Text Books are LIBERALLY Degreed in A mix of School Subjects (history, math, science, etc.) And Psychology.

Not a Big secret The Government is A Toddler to Adulthood's NEW Parent....who spends the greatest part of the day with the child, teaching the child "their" Truths, scolding, punishing, the child who rejects "their" Truths, "grading" the child "as an Excellent student when the child Accepts and Repeats "their" Truths.
In a nutshell, millions of children Are cared for, Fed, clothed, transported, provided electronics, games, given alkaloids for Attesting to Every psychological Indoctrination of a Liberal Marxist Agenda (for years)...and the parents "well done" Approval.

Ha! Between 15-20% of Adults between 25yrs and 35years are still living with parents and their parents footing the cost of...housing, food, clothing, meds, laundry, entertainment, electronics, etc.

Well done! These kids/know about Sex and Sports, and learned well how to be a life long mooch at an Others Expense.

:eek:
 
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It does seem like a lot of religious folks enjoy judging others. Seems rather shallow and insecure to me.

You are kidding yourself if you think you don't make Judgements and Discriminations About All KINDS of Things and People!

It has Nothing to do with EGO, and Everything to do With Personal Choices.

Say for Example:
A dad is a devout Muslim, and has a young teen Daughter, who wants to befriend an imprisoned 21 yr old Hispanic man, who is due for release in 6 months...
Really? You think a dad's objective Judgement and Descriminate Thinking is about the dad's EGO?
 

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This past weekend, Disney/Pixar released a nine-minute short film titled "Out", which is about a young man's struggles with coming out to his parents as gay. It's the first Disney/Pixar film that centers on being gay, with a gay main character.

As expected, Christian groups are upset. That by itself is no big deal. The proper reaction to them being upset over the film is "So?" However, it's what they claim to be upset about that's concerning. A good example is the Christian news site LifeSiteNews, where they refer to the inclusion of LGBTQ characters and actors as "promotion of the LGBT agenda". Ken Ham of AnswersinGenesis said Disney "continues to push the LGBTQ agenda on kids" in a tweet.

The only thing I can take away from those reactions is that conservative Christians believe merely acknowledging the existence of LGBTQs by including them in movies is "pushing their agenda". That leads to an obvious set of questions.

How exactly do they think this works? Do they think that otherwise straight kids will see LGBTQ characters in movies and suddenly decide to be gay?

If it works that way, does it work in reverse, where a gay person seeing a heterosexual character will make them turn straight?

Would these Christian groups prefer to make inclusion of LGBTQ characters and actors illegal?

Do LGBTQs have the same rights to be in movies, TV shows, and other media as heterosexuals?

The whole thing kind of reminds me of this meme....

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Hi Dude,

I agree with everything you said. I love the meme also.

What I don’t like is the ‘in your face’ LGBTQ people. But I don’t like the in your face ‘christians’ either.

Be honest with me: If Hollywood produced a movie and they said only LBTGTQ actors are allowed to audition and be in it would there be a public (and political) up roar?

If Hollywood produced a movie and they said only heterosexual Christians are allowed to audition and be in it would there be an up roar?

Mary
 

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You are kidding yourself if you think you don't make Judgements and Discriminations About All KINDS of Things and People!

It has Nothing to do with EGO, and Everything to do With Personal Choices.

Say for Example:
A dad is a devout Muslim, and has a young teen Daughter, who wants to befriend an imprisoned 21 yr old Hispanic man, who is due for release in 6 months...
Really? You think a dad's objective Judgement and Descriminate Thinking is about the dad's EGO?
There's a difference between judging a specific person who you are directly involved with, and judging an entire group of people.
 

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You are kidding yourself if you think you don't make Judgements and Discriminations About All KINDS of Things and People!

It has Nothing to do with EGO, and Everything to do With Personal Choices.

Say for Example:
A dad is a devout Muslim, and has a young teen Daughter, who wants to befriend an imprisoned 21 yr old Hispanic man, who is due for release in 6 months...
Really? You think a dad's objective Judgement and Descriminate Thinking is about the dad's EGO?
The reason I say egotistical is due to the religious typically viewing other through a different lense than they view themselves.
 
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My experience has been humbling. And I do hope it continues to be even more so, because I'm certain there are other things that need to be addressed.
 

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Hi Dude,

I agree with everything you said. I love the meme also.
Thanks! :)

What I don’t like is the ‘in your face’ LGBTQ people. But I don’t like the in your face ‘christians’ either.
I tend to not like "in your face" people period.

Be honest with me: If Hollywood produced a movie and they said only LBTGTQ actors are allowed to audition and be in it would there be a public (and political) up roar?

If Hollywood produced a movie and they said only heterosexual Christians are allowed to audition and be in it would there be an up roar?

Mary
I think there are lot of potential factors that make my general answer "it depends". But the main factor is the difference in how we perceive groups who were historically the oppressors, versus groups who were the oppressed. When those who've been historically oppressed want to do something exclusively among themselves it's usually accepted (sometimes even celebrated).

I did see some very limited complaining about a Christian group (Samaritan's Purse IIRC) setting up a field hospital in NYC, but only allowing Christians who agreed with their conservative beliefs to work there (by having them sign a statement, part of which was about opposition to same-sex marriage). But I didn't see any sort of widespread uproar.
 

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There's a difference between judging a specific person who you are directly involved with, and judging an entire group of people.

Sure. Judging one person or a whole group of likeminded, is still Judging.

Everyone Judges, and makes Discriminate decisions, based on their Judgements.

It's the SENTENCING one needs to be wary of.

Glory to God,
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This is the sort of civil rights issues LGBTQ activists have been fighting for.

Judge Invalidates One of the Last Vestiges of Federal Discrimination Against Same-Sex Couples

Michael Ely and James A. Taylor were in a committed relationship for 43 years. They considered themselves married, but Arizona, where they lived, did not—until 2014, when a federal court invalidated the state’s same-sex marriage ban. The couple promptly wed. Six months later, Taylor died of cancer. Ely applied for survivors benefits from the Social Security Administration, but the agency turned him away. Federal law required a couple to be married for at least nine months in the state where they reside before a surviving spouse can receive benefits. It didn’t matter that Ely and Taylor were barred from marriage by a law later voided as unconstitutional. Ely could not receive a dollar in survivors benefits.

On Wednesday, a federal judge ordered the Social Security Administration to pay up—not just to Ely, but to every American denied survivors benefits because of same-sex marriage bans. His sweeping decision provides benefits to thousands of LGBTQ surviving spouses, tearing down one of the last remaining vestiges of federal discrimination against same-sex couples....

...Wednesday’s decision in Ely v. Saul is a reminder that, five years after the Supreme Court recognized same-sex couples’ constitutional right to marry, the United States has not actually achieved full marriage equality. In 2019, the Alaska government denied state benefits to a resident because she was married to a woman rather than a man. She was not the first gay Alaskan to face unconstitutional discrimination because of her sexuality. Just last January, a federal appeals court had to force Indiana to list same-sex parents on their child’s birth certificate, implementing a SCOTUS decision from 2017. Moreover, the Trump administration has effectively refused to recognize the marriages of same-sex binational couples, denying American citizenship to their children by claiming that the children were born “out of wedlock.”​

That's the "homosexual agenda".
 

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We were told constantly that if America gave Homosexuals the right to marry, it would not hurt you, the Heterosexual. This is the camel’s nose under the tent. Now we are seeing that religious freedom has been diminished, and social and economic repercussions occur if one is vocal about their beliefs in traditional marriage.
 
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