Behold
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Its impossible for Christ to have only died for some.
So, to teach this, is a lie of the devil., no matter how you dress up the lie to sound theological.
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Its impossible for Christ to have only died for some.
So, to teach this, is a lie of the devil., no matter how you dress up the lie to sound theological.
RainAndIceCream
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You mean, no matter how Calvinism, and other TULIP clad reformed doctrines, dress up the lie to sound theological.
Behold
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Behold
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I am not omitting any scriptures. I believe what scriptures says regarding what image God created man, that is, in His image, but without having the knowledge of good and evil. And that, Adam and Eve lost such image when they sinned.
Also, to the contrary, I think it is you who is omitting scripture that does not go well with your ideas. Scriptures which speaks about those being saved as to be conformed in the image of the Son. As to why they are to be conformed could only mean that they are not in such image.
What do you want to imply by that?
Tong
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Why is it in your opinion, it is impossible? Did He died for example, for Cain?
Tong
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RainAndIceCream
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Genesis 3:22 And God said, Behold, Adam is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now lest at any time he stretch forth his hand, and take of the tree of life and eat, and so he shall live forever—
Being conformed to the image of Christ means we are to be like Christ. Kind, compassionate, forgiving, etc...
We have not lost what God created of us, as one made in the image and likeness of God. See James 3 and Ephesians 4.
God is what he says he is.
Yes. But they were not created like so. Man was created without the knowledge of good and evil.
Of course. And holy and pure. In other words, being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ is to be in the image of God.
So, you are saying by that that you and all man, are in the image of God, which of course is not true.
Why dodge the question? Of course God is what He says He is. So again, what do you imply when you said the following?
"Yes, God is holy and pure. He is also all that he said of himself in Isaiah 45:7-9."
Tong
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Behold
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The Cross was raised later..
However, Christ died for the "world"...>Not just those chosen by a theological heresy.
That does not answer my question. Why is it in your opinion, it is impossible? Did He died for example, for Cain?
Tong
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"And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 Jn. 2:2.
We all know that scriptures. But the question is how is Jesus Christ OUR SACRIFICE for our sins?
Tong
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Looking a contradiction in the eye and just moving on is not an answer. I am surprised that Spurgeon didn't answer with such heresy as he did when he said that Calvinism is the gospel!
You are surely an expert at evasion and tossing the elephant! Usually by now, we are told to "read the Book of Calvin" as a final answer!
The word "propitiation" has meaning, especially in context with the Old Testament offerings. It can mean propitiation, expiation, or Mercy Seat. being a Lamb sacrifices nothing! Sacrificing a Lamb is offing it on the Mercy Seat; Atonement.
"And He is the [expiation, the taking away of our sins] [propitiation, the one who quells God's anger] [Mercy Seat, the Offering on the altar of God] for our sins: and not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 Jn. 2:2.
A Lamb is nothing in the way of Atonement and an Offering unless it is SACRIFICED on the Mercy Seat.
Did you offer Jesus Christ? The question is HOW is Jesus Christ our sacrifice for our sin?
Tong
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Did Adam and Eve shed blood of an animal (offering) to cover their Bodies (their sins)? Or did God do it?
Behold
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Behold
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Until you have the knowledge of sin, you would only know "good".
If you notice, it was after A&E sinned that they became sensitive to the knowledge of sin. (evil)
To become sin conscious is to "know evil".
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