quietthinker
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Does tea help?....it is all pretty confusing to me...just as I am feeling like I am understanding it a bit, suddenly I am not!!
Can Someone Please Explain How Your Politics Work.
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I wonder what group of men you speak of? Just so you know, if anyone reads a scripture a day, and especially try to find out the truth of it, God will take note, and give you little boosts of help to become a “regular” Christ man.Does tea help?
quietthinker
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G'day Fred.....'group of men'? not sure what you mean here. Anyway, good to see you dive in here.
Prayer Warrior
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I don't think it qualifies. I know this is not very charitable, but it seemed like poetic justice to see CNN's building trashed by those who have the liberal mentality CNN has fostered.
Cristo Rei
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Oh It will take a while to explain. I would love to get my head around this first sister and then I answer your question
Hi Ange. One of the most confusing things is the term "liberal".
For us the Liberal party is conservative and the Labour party is progressive. In America it's the progressive party that they call liberal.
The Labour party is our left wing, progressive party. The democrats are theirs
The Liberal party is our right wing, conservative party. The republicans are theirs
Politics is just any group who claim to represent a world view of running a country and use the mechanisms of power to obtain control.
Because the group must represent a large group to gain power, it must compromise and appear to be the best alternative for each group to get their support. Modern politics have discovered if the voter thinks the politician knows them and will argue their corner, they will get their vote.
Each politician then tries to make their image fit the best compromise to get the most support, refining what they say as they go along. It often results in liars and frauds saying and doing what appears good, while actually being very different underneath. So big business will sponsor a candidate to get the law changed in their favour, without declaring this is their agenda, but making sure the candidate knows the reality.
Each political system has its method of counting votes and counting who wins and loses. You have to address each stage of the selection of candidates for the major parties, and then how in the election they will win or lose at the final contest.
So you will get believers saying this group are for the Lord and this group against it. In reality all the candidates will want to appear pro-any large group, while actually being something else. Mixing politics and faith never goes well, but having integrity and being honest and speaking the truth, is critical.
I mentioned to my daughter about black lives matter, and the disturbances that have happened and that there are interested parties who will amplify the conflict because they believe chaos helps their cause. She immediately said I was saying it was all just agitators, ignoring the legitimate racism issues that should never be tolerated. I am appalled that such a murder could take place. The police should have 3 strikes of racism and you are out, with full time record body cams on and backed up whenever on duty. And racism expression needs to be overt, not borderline.
Some police cannot be trusted, literally, and need justice to be seen to be delivered.
Now politics should in the right world fairly represent the society and how a good functioning society progresses forward.
Unfortunately we get the politics we put up with, based on how we run our society.
Oh I have always thought that the left wing is liberal party like our Labour party and the right wing is conservative like our National party which would be similar to their Republican party.
Cristo Rei
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Your are right with your description. I thought NZ had the same parties as we do in Australia. My bad.
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You think thse thugs slashing tires are "radical left....democrats?"
Minneapolis police went on a spree of vandalism slashing tires of cars parked in the downtown area.
Grailhunter
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You think thse thugs slashing tires are "radical left....democrats?"
Minneapolis police went on a spree of vandalism slashing tires of cars parked in the downtown area.
That all depends on why. Security, if a car is not where it is suppose to be, by order, or circumstance, they flatten the tires to prevent it from being used as a weapon.
Most of the infamous black arrests start out as resisting arrest. When a law enforcement officer tells you to halt, put your hands up and interlace your fingers behind your head....these people, think that is optional. So they think if they can out fight the cop they are good to go. Under no circumstances do I want an armed law enforcement officer wrestling with someone they are trying to detain or arrest. These people think if their hands are in the air they can still keep coming at the officer.
There is no part of that, that is correct. Not correct training. I do not care what color or size they are, armed or unarmed. If they keep coming at the officer, hands up or down, I want them to put two rounds into their center mass, that would be their chest. The negotiations can start after that. There is no reason why a law enforcement officer should risk bodily harm in the performance of his or her duty. There is no reason to risk a criminal taking a gun away from a cop. There is no excuse for what we see some of these protesters doing.
All of this is about disrespect for authority. Wanting something that some else has without working for it. The desire to degrade our civilization to chaos and anarchy. They say," destroying property is not violence and it is immoral to say it is." This is a subculture of crazy lunatics. "Rape, pillage and plunder is our nature, and you are prejudice if you do not support it. This is us and you have to embrace what we are or you are prejudice. Black lives matter and only black lives. Get rid of law enforcement and open the gates of the prisons. These people have been there a while and they are using these protests as a cover.
This is 16 percent of the populous that is responsible for 60 percent of violent crime. (That is a misleading figure) What we see here is they are tired of being punished for what they think is normal behavior. They think they have the right to resist arrest. They think that they have the right to murder, steal, and destroy and you are prejudice if you do not agree with them.
Now back to the 16 percent...what portion of this 16 percent are good men and women, families that work and support their communities, go to church and are good Christians. I can only guess, but I am going to guess that the good law abiding black men and women make up 14 percent of the black populous. So that means that 2 percent of the populous makes up to 60 percent of the violent crimes in this country. All of this knee bending to these thugs is over 2 percent. I could be wrong on the percentages, but another statistic is that a white officer is 12 times as likely to shoot a white person than a black person. And another static is that in the big cities black on black murders and shooting make up the majority of the crimes.
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No. There were no people in those cars. This was just gratuitous vandalism by police who had become criminals. No doubt they were angry, but police can't allow themselves to let anger boil over into criminal behavior. But "we were in fear of our lives, so we slashed all those car tires" is certainly a creative excuse for vandalism.
So the officer who murdered Floyd was justified in kneeling on his neck after he had been cuffed, even though he was begging them to let him breathe? No, that's not going to work, any more.
We are a nation of laws, not a nation of authorities. As soon as those police chose to vandalize the cars, they crossed the line and became criminals. They don't get to decide whether or not they will obey the law.
Or in this case, destroying something someone else has, out of anger, boredom, or whatever reason.
Do you think slashing people's tires was violence?
Never thought I'd see police in America act like that. But I doubt very much that the majority of police are thugs like those criminals.
Fortunately, they didn't rape anyone, just slashed a lot of tires. But your point is well-taken. In Minneapolis, the culture of police has become malignant. A significant number of them feel empowered to commit any crime they like, because they believe they can get away with it.
Grailhunter
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No. There were no people in those cars. This was just gratuitous vandalism by police who had become criminals. No doubt they were angry, but police can't allow themselves to let anger boil over into criminal behavior. But "we were in fear of our lives, so we slashed all those car tires" is certainly a creative excuse for vandalism.
Do you think slashing people's tires was violence?
My explanation stands.
So the officer who murdered Floyd was justified in kneeling on his neck after he had been cuffed, even though he was begging them to let him breathe? No, that's not going to work, any more.
Common sense and reality please! I was pointing out the lack of respect for authority and belief that doing what a officers says during an arrest is optional. When they resist arrest then it depends on the training of the officers and common sense. What "these" officers did to Floyd, the knee on the neck is a trained technique, but they did not do it correctly and continued it to long. Intent or sinister....they will see their day in court.
No, that's not going to work, any more.
I agree it is not going to work anymore because I do not believe that the police should coddle criminals anymore.
A significant number of them feel empowered to commit any crime they like, because they believe they can get away with it.
I disagree. Law enforcement officers are not significantly lawless. You want lawless...get rid of the police.
Do you think slashing people's tires was violence?
My explanation stands.
So the officer who murdered Floyd was justified in kneeling on his neck after he had been cuffed, even though he was begging them to let him breathe? No, that's not going to work, any more.
Common sense and reality please! I was pointing out the lack of respect for authority and belief that doing what a officers says during an arrest is optional. When they resist arrest then it depends on the training of the officers and common sense. What "these" officers did to Floyd, the knee on the neck is a trained technique, but they did not do it correctly and continued it to long. Intent or sinister....they will see their day in court.
No, that's not going to work, any more.
I agree it is not going to work anymore because I do not believe that the police should coddle criminals anymore.
A significant number of them feel empowered to commit any crime they like, because they believe they can get away with it.
I disagree. Law enforcement officers are not significantly lawless. You want lawless...get rid of the police.
No. There were no people in those cars. This was just gratuitous vandalism by police who had become criminals. No doubt they were angry, but police can't allow themselves to let anger boil over into criminal behavior. But "we were in fear of our lives, so we slashed all those car tires" is certainly a creative excuse for vandalism.
Do you think slashing people's tires was violence?
Nope. Flat on it's back, eyes rolled up.
So the officer who murdered Floyd was justified in kneeling on his neck after he had been cuffed, even though he was begging them to let him breathe? No, that's not going to work, any more.
You should have thought of that before you justified those criminals slashing tires.
You seem to be arguing with yourself, now.
BTW, the law does not require anyone respect anyone. If does require that police and civilians obey the law. Hopefully, they can identify some of the police who were vandalizing property.
Do you think slashing people's tires was violence?
Nope. Flat on it's back, eyes rolled up.
So the officer who murdered Floyd was justified in kneeling on his neck after he had been cuffed, even though he was begging them to let him breathe? No, that's not going to work, any more.
You should have thought of that before you justified those criminals slashing tires.
You seem to be arguing with yourself, now.
BTW, the law does not require anyone respect anyone. If does require that police and civilians obey the law. Hopefully, they can identify some of the police who were vandalizing property.
Grailhunter
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No. There were no people in those cars. This was just gratuitous vandalism by police who had become criminals. No doubt they were angry, but police can't allow themselves to let anger boil over into criminal behavior. But "we were in fear of our lives, so we slashed all those car tires" is certainly a creative excuse for vandalism.
Do you think slashing people's tires was violence?
It does not matter if there are people in the car! Disabling the car for security reasons.
BTW, the law does not require anyone respect anyone. If does require that police and civilians obey the law. Hopefully, they can identify some of the police who were vandalizing property.
You are taking in circles. These police were not breaking the law and this problem is all about respect for authority.
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marksman
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The heading is CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOUR POLITICS WORK?
I will stick with that and say they don't most of the time. I have been involved in the political process for 40 years, so I have seen it all upfront. It boils down to one factor. Who has the most influence?
I remember standing for preselection for a State Election seat. There were about a dozen candidates in all. It wasn't until preselection day that we knew who all the candidates were. The local Mayor was one and I knew that I stood no chance against him because he was a very good mayor and knew the area well. You would think that he was a shoe-in.
Not so. The party machine had injected a member from I don't know where to stand for preselection as a reward for whatever she had done elsewhere. The fact that she was there for preselection came with a silent message. Select her because that is what the party machine wants.
So guess who was selected? The best candidate? No. The party machine candidate who we did not know from a bar of soap and had never lived in the electorate.
She did her stint in Parliament and when she decided not to stand again she disappeared into the sunset never to be seen again.
quietthinker
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You see marksman why there is little incentive for the average thinking punter to have faith in the democratic process? Power mongers getting their way.....fiddling with the rules and putting forward an honest face. I don't think it's any different anywhere on the globe in spite of the image that is presented
Now carry this principle over into the religious world.....why should it be different? I don't think it's any different!
You might want to consider prophecy in that light.
Can Someone Please Explain How Your Politics Work.
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OP ^
Poli- smooth
tic- blood sucking creature
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Modern US Politicians-
FROM:
Established "Servant" of All Citizens...
TO:
(Self-defined) "Leaders" of a Few Citizens, while abridging the rights of other Citizens.
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